posted May 27, 2010 02:47 PM         

I used ASC/DESC, MC/IC, Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, NN
plus
Karma, Chiron, Juno, Ceres, Amor, Valentine, Eros and Psyche.

I expected to find at least ONE tight conjunction of a planet or love asteroid to the ASC and in a secondary step the MC-axis.
The orb I used for these conjunctions were 2.1 degree.

(It`s often hard enough to find such exact aspects in tropical charts, I know).

I also noted the tightest (orb: 1.1 degrees) other aspects (using opposition, square and trine), and I think the strongest synastries will involve precice links to
Sun, Moon, (Venus) and NN.

What did I find:

(1) Richard Burton - Liz Taylor

conjunctions with the angles:
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his ASC conjunct her JUNO (1.2)

other aspects to angles
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his ASC trine her Chiron (1.4)
his MC trine her IC (0.0)
his IC trine her Pluto (0.5)

aspects with the nodal axis
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none

aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus
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her Sun square his Saturn (1.5)
her Moon square his Karma (0.4)
her Moon conjunct his Juno (0.5)
her Venus square his Saturn (0.4)
(her Venus square his Eros (1.2))
(his Venus square her Karma (1.5))

Amor / Psyche - Eros / Psyche - Juno / Jupiter - Sun/Moon (soulmate pairings)
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(his Amor trine her Psyche (2.1))

other exact aspects
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his Pluto square her Eros (0.1)
his Neptune square her Eros (0.4)
his Karma trine her Amor (1.0)

(2) Brad Pitt - Angelina Jolie

conjunctions with angles
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her ASC conjunct his Saturn (2.1)

other aspects with angles
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his ASC square her Ceres (1.1)

aspects with nodal axis
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his NN conjunct her SN (2.2)

aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus
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his MOon conjunct her Moon (2.1)
her Sun opposite his Venus (0.3)
her Moon trine his Amor (1.1)
her Chiron trine his Venus (0-.2)

soulmate pairings
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his Amor trine her Psyche (0.2)

other tight aspects
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her Pluto conjunct his Amor (0.1)
her Chiron conjunct his Neptune (0.2)
her Chiron conjunct his Juno (0.4)
her Neptune square his Ceres (0.4)

(3) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward

Angle conjunctions
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his DESC conjunct her Venus (1.1)
her DESC conjunct his Pluto (1.4)
her DESC conjunct his Neptune (2.0)

other angle aspects
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her ASC square his Moon (1.4)
his MC trine her Neptune (1.2)
his MC trine her Psyche (0.1)
her MC square his Eros (0.5)

aspects with the nodal axis
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his NN trine her Chiron (0.1)

aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus
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her Sun trine his Ceres (1.0)
her MOon opposite his Karma (1.3)

soulmate pairings
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his Proserpina quinkunx her Pluto (0.5)
his Zeus trine her Hera (0.3)

other tight aspects
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his Chiron opposite her Chiron (0.3)
his Chiron conjunct her Valentine (1.0)
her Pluto square his Psyche (0.0)
her Karma square his Ceres (0.0)
his Amor trine her Saturn (0.2)

(4) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barrett Browning

angle conjunctions
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his ASC conjunct her Chiron (1.5)
his IC conjunct her Ceres (1.1)
her IC conjunct his Pluto (2.1)

other angle aspects
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his IC trine her Karma (0.5)
his MC trine her Juno (0.4)
her ASC square his Pluto (0.1)
her DESC trine his NEptune (1.4)
her ASC trine his Juno (1.1)

nodal aspects
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his MOON square her NN (1.2)
her Sun square his NN (1.3)
her MC trine his NN (1.4)
her Chiron conjunct his SN (0.5)

aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus
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his Sun trine her Pluto (1.0)
his MOon trine her Moon (1.1)
her Sun opposite his Juno (1.2)
her MOon conjunct his Eros (0.5)
his Venus trine her Venus (0.2)

soulmate pairings
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his Eros square her Psyche (1.3)

posted May 29, 2010 07:30 AM         

His 9th moon conj my natal ASC
his His 9th ASC conjunct my natal IC
His 9th MC conjunct my natal Chiron

His valentine and Jupiter trine ny natal Sun

His Eros trine my natal Mars

His valentine and jupiter square my juno and ASC.

His NN square my natal Sun
His venus trine my Chiron

My ninth har valentine square his DSC/ASC
My NN square his natal NN
My Eros conjunct his natal ASC
MY 9th MC conjunct his natal Sun
My 9th moon conjunct his natal NN

would I also look at 9th to 9th?
His MC conj my NN
His Sun conj my Venus
His Eros opp my jupiter
His Amor opp my venus

after looking at Johnny's chart his natal NN and 9th harm ASC ( conjunct my IC) is trine his 9th harm Jennifer, anubis and alma.
any ideas on that one?

It was because of him that I experienced death and rebirth of the soul. Or at least he was a big part of it.

posted May 29, 2010 05:13 PM         

I still wonder how to differentiate it from the Draconics though. But maybe the Draco`s are more about the PATH our soul takes, and the 9th about the soul itself.
But I don`t know for sure. It`s just ideas and thougths, they could be completely wrong. Maybe the 9th doesn`t say anything at all.

I really need to do more research; yet so far there seem to be significant connections within the 9th harmonics, as you can see above.
There really seems to be almost always a strong conjunction with ASC or DESC, or sometimes with MC/IC.

But I am not ready yet to really come to a conclusion.

Personally I can totally identify with my 9th harmonic chart, with my Sun in Scorpio and Moon in Pisces and ASC in Gemini and Juno and Saturn both being precisely on DESC.
The ASC in Gemini seems a little odd, but may indicate my curiosity, the watery placements seem to describe my oversensitivity superbly.
Mercury in Scorpio conjunct Midheaven in Scorpio seem to describe perfectly my compulsion for investigations like this; the ASC in Gemini may add the analytical flavour.
And Juno conjunct Saturn and DESC all on 2 Sagittarius definitely describes my seriousness and sometimes hesitation when it comes to relationships.

So far it seems like even the signplacements seem to resonate in a 9th harmonic charts, even though I didn`t believe that before.

But as I said more research is needed.

Vesta,

posted May 29, 2010 08:36 PM         

looking at Johnny's chart it is clear that it happened but the mystery to me is if the 9th represents his soul then why am I mentioned so much in Johnny's chart?

I am a soul mate but does the ninth mention every soulmate ( I doubt that) So my conclusion is that maybe I am a part of his soul's destiny in this lifetime. I will just have to study it further. It is a grand tine of Jennifer, anubis, and alma trine pluto and tine his ASC (conjunct his natal NN)

posted May 30, 2010 07:37 AM         

I found:

conjunctions with the angles:
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his ASC cj my NN (0'50)
his ASC cj my moon (2'10)

other aspects to angles
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my ASC trine his saturn (0'04)
my MC cj his saturn (0'02)

aspects with the nodal axis
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my NN square his psyche (0'50)
his NN trine my DC

aspects with Sun, Moon, Venus
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his sun trine my pluto (0'44)

Amor / Psyche - Eros / Psyche - Juno / Jupiter - Sun/Moon (soulmate pairings)
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his sun trine my moon (0'42)

other exact aspects
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my venus opposing his venus
my venus opposing his juno
my pluto trine his sun
my moon opposing his valentine
my valentine trine his AC
my IC square his moon
my IC trine his psyche
my DC trine his eros/NN/neptune

posted May 30, 2010 10:39 AM         

I believe that name asteroids are going to explain who the person is so we would need to draw a chart for that name to see if it is that person.

In the ninth we may be able to use synastry but first we must look at the chart as a whole.

Like Johnny's chart explaining death and rebirth of me so I would draw a chart of my name for him to see if it truely is me he is talking about ( it is) and go from there.
I think synastry may work in all the harmonic charts but we first must make sure it is that person the other is talking about before jumping to conclusions.

What do you think ?

posted May 30, 2010 03:07 PM         

9th to tropical makes more sense with charts of people whom have been together for decades and are real soul mates

posted June 03, 2010 05:56 AM         

Anyway you can try it out. I think if there are consistent results in a variety of different synastry charts, then it might be valid. Of course it is not enough to just investigate your own synastry charts. Even though if the same thing pops up consistently in all of them or at least in 80% of the cases, then you might have stumbled across a personal pattern of yours.

Problem is, age harmonics as well as asteroids are still a theory, and I don`t know if you can prove one theory with another one (if you still aren`t convinced at least one works).

Personally I`d think, if both theories are valid, then we should find strong tight aspects (conjunctions within 2, max. 3 degrees - everything else seems too arbitrary and possibly coincidental to me) of

ASC, DESC, MC, IC and their respective rulers. Of course Sun, Moon, NN to these points, too. Saturn and Pluto could also play a role.
For the other objects I`d expect JUNO to pop up, maybe accompanied by EROS, PSYCHE, AMOR and / or VALENTINE.

I am not sure how valid / significant UNION, BODA, BRIEDE and GROOM really are, but if they are, they will probably pop up, too, in these harmonic charts.
But read up which harmonic you take for which year, I am always getting confused, how it is be counted.

So, I`d look exclusively for

ASC/DESC
MC/IC
NN/SN
SUN
MOON
SATURN
PLUTO
JUNO
Eros
Psyche
Valentine
(Union)
(Boda)
(Briede)
(Groom)
oh and it wouldn`t hurt to have an eye on the name asteroids.

But maybe it`s already too much to look at?
Anyway, search for CONSISTENCY.

Oh and most probably CHIRON-aspects will pop up, too. He somehow ALWAYS popped up frequently in all synastry charts I investigated (Draco, harmonics, persona charts, everything), as some kind of "side-effect".
I found that very interesting.

posted June 03, 2010 06:32 AM         

Anyway I was looking at close conjunctions of the age harmonic for that year.

Age Sun widely conjunct Age Amor (3)

Age Moon, Age Mars and Age Jupiter all conjunct each other (widest orb is: 1.4)
Age, Moon-Mars-Jupiter conjunct my natal Karma in my 7th house! (widest orb: 2.1)

Age ASC conjunct my natal Saturn (2)

Age Boda conjunct Age NN (3)

Age Saturn conjunct Age Juno (0.1)
both oppose my natal Juno (2.3)

Age Venus conjunct Age Psyche (1.4)

Age Lilith conjunct natal MC and natal Pluto (2.1)

(I know I said only looking at conjunctions, but couldn`t miss that
Age Briede on 29.3 Libra is conjunct natal Union on 29.5 Libra, and both are opposing Age Sun on 29 Aries - I guess this is representative of the new cycle that was beginning!)

Age Union on the GC conjunct natal Sun and MErcury (2.3)

Age Uranus conjunct natal Sun-Moon-mp (1.1) and Antivertex (1.0)

Age Pluto conjunct Age Pallas (1.2)
Both conjunct my natal Moon (1.0)

Age Valentine conjunct natal Psyche and natal Lilith (1.0), and opposing Age Boda (1.4)

Interestingly no Chiron

Anyway, some of these "spots" correlate to HIS natal chart.

My Age MErcury conjunct his natal Sun (0)
my Age Amor conjunct his natal Venus (1)
my Age Ceres conjunct his natal Valentine (1)
my Age Pluto and Age Pallas (and natal Moon) conjunct his SN - I feel this is the most significant one!

Now for this year I am having:

Age Chiron conjunct natal Jupiter exact
Age chironc onjunct natal Ceres (2)

Age ASC conjunct Age Ceres,
both conjunct natal IC exact

Age Pallas conjunct Chiron (1)

Age Neptune conjunct Saturn (1)

Age Pluto conjunct Age Karma (2)
Age Pluto opposes natal Moon exact

Age Saturn conjunct Age Union exact
both opposing Psyche and mean Lilith

Age Groom opposing natal Juno exact

Age Lilith conjunct Age Uranus exact

Age Boda opposping my PoM exact
Age Boda conjunct my natal Eros-Psyche-mp

Age Juno conjunct natal Sun and Mercury on the GC (2)

Age Mercury conjunct natal Venus exact

Age MOon conjunct Age Mars conjunct Age Vertex (all grouped around my progressed Sun!)

Age Sun conjunct Age Venus (3)

I find the most important aspects to involve SUN, MOON, ASC/DSC, MC/IC and the NODAL AXIS.

posted June 03, 2010 07:03 AM         

So I proceeded and checked the Age harmonics for 2008, when I met a guy, and even though it didn`t result in a relationship, I find my life utterly changed through that meeting with him.

Age MC widely conjunct Age Karma (4 degrees), but both are conjunct natal Juno with 2 degrees, so natal Juno is actually on the midpoint of them

Age MOON conjunct Age GROOM absolutely PRECISELY, both were on 24.31 Aries. Wow, down to the minute!

his Age name conjunct natal IC

Age Jupiter exact conjunct Age Briede, exact opposing natal Spirit

Age Mercury exact conjunct natal Saturn (Mercury rules my DESC)

my Age name conjunct Age Venus, both conjunct natal Venus, Eros and opposing Sun-Moon-mp

Age Sun conjunct Age Uranus exact, opposing natal Moon (and boy, was THAT unexpected!)

Age Lilith conjunct natal Sun

Age Valentine conjunct natal Venus and Spirit

Age Saturn exact conjunct Age Juno (it will always pop up, since in the natal they are trine by only 1 minute), conjunct Sun-Moon-mp, Antivertex and opposing Eros (and Age Venus and my name)

I am going to check his age harmonics, too. I wonder what kind of year he had!

Age Saturn conjunct natal Sun, Moon and MC

Age Vertex and Age Boda conjunct natal Venus and opposing natal Juno
Age Eros opposing natal Venus

Age Uranus conjunct Age Juno opposing natal Uranus

Age Groom conjunct his Age name conjunct his Age ASC conjunct natal DESC

Age Venus opposing his natal Karma
Age Venus ocnjunct natal Ceres

Age Moon conjunct natal Psyche

Age Chiron opposes natal Union

posted June 03, 2010 08:06 AM         

(I am only checking for Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars, ASC, MC, NN, Saturn, Pluto, Karma)

his perspective:
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his Age IC conjunct my Age Mercury
his Age IC conjunct my natal Saturn exactly (0.0)
his Age ASC conjunct my Age Mars (0.4)
his Age DESC conjunct my Age Karma (3.0)
his Age Sun conjunct my natal Venus (1.1)
his Age MOon widely conjunct my natal Moon (4.1)
his Age Moon conjunct my natal Psyche (3)

his Age True Node conjunct my Age Valentine exact! (0.1)
his Age SN conjunct my Age Jupiter and Age Briede
his Age NN conjunct my natal Venus (2.4)
his Age NN conjunct my natal Spirit and Isis and Osiris

his Age Venus conjunct his name in my Age chart
his Age Venus conjunct my natal IC (0.4)
his Age Mars conjunct my natal Pluto (1.4)

his Age Saturn conjunct my Age Lilith
his Age Saturn conjunct my Sun (2.0) and Mercury
his Age Pluto conjunct my Valentine (1.2)

his Sun conjunct my Age Lilith
his Moon conjunct my Age Lilith
his MC conjunct my Age Lilith
his DESC conjunct my Age Mars (2.3)
his Mars conjunct my Age IC (3.0)

his SN conjunct my Age Neptune

my perspective
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my Age Sun conjunct my name in his Age chart exact
my Age MOon conjunct his Age Lilith
my Age DESC Conjunct his Age Juno
my Age ASC conjunct his natal Uranus
my Age ASC conjunct his natal Valentine (2.1)
my Age IC conjunct his Age Jupiter exact
my Age IC conjunct his natal Mars

my Age Venus conjunct his Age Eros exact
my Age Venus conjunct his Age Antivertex
my Age Mars conjunct his Age ASC, Age Groom and Age name
my Age Mars conjunct his natal Lilith
my Age Mars conjunct his natal DESC

my Age NN conjunct his natal Eros and my name in his chart
my Age Saturn (and Juno) conjunct his Age MC (2.4)
my Age Pluto conjunct his natal Juno and widely opposes his natal Venus
my Age Karma conjunct his Age DESC
my Age Karma opposes his natal Lilith exact

my Sun conjunct his Age Saturn
my Moon opposes my name in his Age chart exact
my IC conjunct his Age Venus

my Venus conjunct his Age NN and Age Sun (I really like that one, since my Age Valentine is there, too )

[bh]my Saturn conjunct his Age IC[/b] exact
my Saturn conjunct his Age Union and Age Psyche exact
my Pluto conjunct his Age Mars
my Pluto widely opposes his Age Venus (3.1)

posted June 03, 2010 08:48 AM         

So these charts might indicate very individual experience, that are possible during that time (and only that time! unless there was a first meeting in that time frame, then it might be a bit different) and how it would impact our lives.

Example:
In the first example I listed here, when I was 15 years old my age harmonics showed Pluto conjunct Pallas in Aquarius.
This is a very powerful combination for gaining spiritual awareness and even opening the pineal gland (Pallas seems to relate to the pineal gland).
In the very least there would be spiritual experiences possible, that would have a very powerful, transformative impact on me.

This conjunctions falls exactly onto my natal tropical Moon, so the impact would "hit" down to the core, maybe my "emotional memory" would be triggered, my emotions acting like a channel, through which the Pluto-Pallas energy could flow.
Which is exactly what happened.
During that time I experienced my first and only astral travel. At least I think that is what it was.

Now what role played this guy?
Well, his SN (and Pholus) is right there with my Moon and my age Pluto and Age Pallas, and probably it was this sensing of our past life connection, a very deep emotional attachment, that triggered these experiences.

It was like one moment I was just a normal 15 year old teenager (well, as normal as someone with Aqua Moon can be ), and then the next moment I saw him and everything was changed, irreversibly, forever with no way back.

At that time Tr Pluto was in the middle of Scorpio and therefore squaring this configuration.
Interestingly that guy has Moon on 19 Taurus, and his name asteroid is on 17 Scorpio, exactly opposing my name in my chart on 17 Taurus, so all of that somehow got pulled into this whirl.

But even without the AGe harmonics, it`s interesting to note that there is a strongly Plutonic theme in our synastry, the tropical one I mean, as his Pluto is trine my Venus-Spirit-Isis-Osiris and squaring my Mars-Neptune-ASC-NN and opposing my Jupiter-Ceres-Ishtar-Pholus, which falls onto my name in his chart and his Chiron.

My Pluto is opposing his Mercury-Eros, trine his Saturn, which falls onto my Pallas and his both names in my chart.

Probably noone else could have triggered these experiences like he did.