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posted May 28, 2010 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
When I was looking at the chart for tomorrow, I noticed that the stars seem to tell a story about Ceres Pluto and Proserpina / Persephone.

On 2nd may we had PLUTO on 5.1 Capricorn conjunct CERES on 4.3 Capricorn (both retrograde).
Additionally MOON was on the GC like tomorrow. (btw the antiscion of 26 Sagittarius is 4 Capricorn!)


On the New Moon in 21 Gemini (12th june) CERES on 29 Sagittarius (retro) will be exactly square PROSERPINA on 29 Pisces.


On 19th june PLUTO on 4.1 Capricorn will be conjunct KARMA on 3.4 Capricorn and both will be trine PERSEPHONE on 3.5 Taurus.

Proserpina will move to 00 Aries and therefore "touch" Jupiter and Uranus there. (well Jupiter is already on 1 Aries)
MOON will oppose JUPITER, URANUS and PROSERPINA.

(The exact trine of PLUTO and PERSEPHONE will be on 20th june, but on 19th june we have the MOON-trigger)

CERES on 27.3 Sagittarius opposes SUN on 27.4 Gemini and squares SATURN on 28 Virgo.

Additionally there is an exact square of Eros in 18.2 Leo and Psyche in 18.3 Taurus on the 19th june.


On 19th october the CERES and PLUTO (now in direct motion) will conjunct precisely on 3 Capricorn (conjunct TRUE NODE On 5.3 and KARMA on 6.4 Capricorn).

On that very day we have MOON and PROSERPINA conjunct on 23.5 Pisces.

and MARS and EROS both on 24 Scorpio quinkunx PSYCHE on 23.3 Gemini.


Interestingly I dreamed in the night of New YEar`s eve of the 19th june.


The story these transits *could* tell could be something like:
Around 2nd may there were powerstruggles about some "beloved", which led to (necessary) sacrifices.
The "mother" (Ceres) fights with an intruder (Pluto) about her daughter`s love.

The Sabian of CERES is: "Indians On The Warpath. While Some Men Row A Well-Filled Canoe, Others In It Perform A War Dance"

This of PLUTO is: "Ten Logs Lie Under An Archway Leading To Darker Woods"

To me this sais: Ceres will fight with everything she`s got, she will go on a warpath to maintain the Status Quo (she is also retrograde, so dedicated to the past).
Pluto`s Sabian on the other hand seems to indicate that something / someone has to be pulled into the "underworld".

12th june sees a square of Ceres and her daughter Proserpina. There is the need for Proserpina to detach from her mother and for Ceres to let her daughter go. She doesn`t have much choice anyway. Proserpina is on the mystical degree of 29 Pisces moving to 00 Aries, preparing for a WHOLE NEW LIFE. Everything will be new. She has to detach from her mother to mature and to become her own person.

The degree of Ceres reads:
The Pope Blessing The Faithful

Not completely sure how to interprete it, but maybe it means that Ceres in the end surrenders and even makes peace with this?


Proserpina`s Sabian sais:
A Majestic Rock Formation Resembling A Face Is Idealized By A Boy Who Takes It As His Ideal Of Greatness, And As He Grows Up, Begins To Look Like It.

She has to leave her old life, her old Self behind and GROW UP.

The NEW MOON will be on 21 Gemini.
Dancing Couples In A Harvest Festival

This seems to indicate a theme of romance and also of relaxation, the simple joys of romance maybe.


Proserpina has to leave to not only find her own Self, but to learn love.

Now on 19th june we see where Proserpina / Persephone moves to!
Proserpina is on 00 Aries.
A Woman Just Risen From The Sea; A Seal Is Embracing Her


He is "rising up" from her transformation, she has made the step into her new life, supported by generous Jupiter and unpredictable Uranus. Probably the transition was very electric, with insane speed.

Persephone is on 3 Taurus and trines Pluto and Karma.

Her Sabian is
The Pot Of Gold At The End Of The Rainbow

That sounds pretty promising. And she trines Pluto, the one who pulls her away from her mother. Or not?

Well at first it was Pluto fighting with Ceres, but then it is Proserpina detaching from her mother and moving into this harmonious connection with Pluto. So I guess it is the "beloved"`s decision and action that brings her closer to her soulmate.
She might even find that miracles / wonders can happen and dreams come true(the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow).

Ceres on the other hand is experiencing so much tension with Sun and Saturn. She suffers, she mourns. But in the end she has to accept "fate" (Saturn as Lord of Karma).
And it is fated that daughters grow up and leave their mothers to lead their own lives.

Ceres Sabian is
An Old Bridge Over A Beautiful Stream Is Still In Constant Use

Probably in the end she will find a way to deal with this situation.


Sun`s Sabian is:
Through Bankruptcy, Society Gives To An Overburdened Individual The Opportunity To Begin Again

And Saturn`s:
A Seeker After Occult Knowledge Is Reading An Ancient Scroll Which Illumines His Mind

This is the symbol of a new beginning for Ceres, too, for gaining depth and growing spiritually.
But it will not be easy to find that acceptance in ourselves.

The Eros-Psyche-aspects again highlights the theme of soulmates meeting and getting together. But it is a square, so it`s not all that easy and breezy.
Does Psyche trust her intuition (and receives Eros blindly?)
Does Eros really find the strength to be mature and not run home to mummy if something is not as he wishes it to be? (interestingly, he has a mother-issue, too).

Sabian of Psyche.
A New Continent Rising Out Of The Ocean

Sabian of Eros
A Houseboat Party

Again a symbol of newbeginnings coupled with a more relaxed party athmosphere. It hink we won`t meet our soulmates home at the computer, but just when we actually are going out and enjoy ourselves.


But at one point Ceres will come out of her moody reflection and sadness, and she will turn to direct motion again and face the future, move on.
As a matter of fact after getting direct again, she has to face Pluto again.
And she faces him on 3 Capricorn.

"A Group Of People Outfitting A Large Canoe At The Start Of A Journey By Water"

The journey begins. For real now. Are they coming to an agreement? Probably.

Interestingly now the TRUE NODE Is on 5 Capricorn, again highlighting the need to delve deeply. This is not a time to skim the surface.


MOON and PROSERPINA are on 23 Pisces.
On A Small Island Surrounded By The Vast Expanse Of The Sea, People Are Seen Living In Close Interaction

I guess yes, mother, daughter and her husband WILL get to an agreement somehow, but only AFTER Ceres has mourned the loss of her daughter as a child, which actually is the loss of something in the past.
Only after letting her go, and only after Proserpina moves on herself, they can find a way to deal with each other again.


Eros and Psyche are quinkunx, so there is still plenty of adjustment to be done for the soulmates. Maybe this is more about letting go of the past and growing into the future?

Anyway Eros is on 24 Scorpio
An X-Ray Photograph


Psyche on 23 Gemini:
Children Skating Over A Frozen Village Pond

I am not completely sure how to interprete that.

On 16th march 2012 (yes I know long time till then) Eros will finally embrace his Psyche on 9 Virgo. And trine pluto on 9 Capricorn exactly.

Two Heads Looking Out And Beyond The Shadows
(Eros and Psyche)

An Albatross Feeding From The Hand Of A Sailor
(Pluto)

On 6th may 2012 we will see Proserpina exactly oppose Pluto.
Proserpina on 9 Cancer
A Large Diamond In The First Stages Of The Cutting Process


But we also see Ceres on 10 Taurus.
A Woman Watering Flowers In Her Garden.


Trine Pluto and sextile Proserpina. I think she will have found peace with the situation by that time and can actually be supportive.

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posted May 28, 2010 02:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
EROS and PSYCHE were conjunct on 19th july 1990 on 28.4 Taurus.
(That was the night I was having a very vivid dream of my soulmate; strangely enough, in our composite Psyche is on 28.1 Scorpio and Eros is on 29 Taurus - I guess I HAD to dream of him that night. )

On 26th march 1996 there was another EROS/PSYCHE conjunction, this time on 18.3 Gemini.


On 27th september 2006 EROS and PSYCHE were both on 27.1 Leo; it was the exact day I met someone who supposedly is part of my soulfamily, too.
Our composite SN is on 27.4 Leo (this is almost getting creepy )

ON 31st august 1996 PROSERPINA and PLUTO were conjunct on 0.2 Sagittarius with Ceres being on 7 Sag.


Interestingly my "soul-relative" and me have Persephone on 1.0 Sagittarius in Composite (sextile Pluto on 29.5 Virgo).


On 7th november 2008 PERSEPHONE was conjunct PLUTO on 29.2 Sagittarius.


On 15th november 2009 PROSERPINA was conjunct PLUTO on 1.4 Capricorn.

On 24th january 2014 both PROSERPINA and PERSEPHONE will be on 11°56 Capricorn conjunct PLUTO on 12°03 Capricorn and PSYCHE Is on 11°17 Capriconr sextile CHIRON on 11°03 Pisces.

That could be an interesting date.

OH and Pluto is also justz 2 degrees of Venus.

On 29th january we will have.
Pluto on 12.1 Cap
Psyche on 13.1 Cap
Venus on 13.4 Cap
Persephone on 13.5 Cap
Prosepina on 14.1 Cap
Moon on 14.2 Cap.


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posted May 28, 2010 02:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I want to point out that Eris has an orbit that symbolizes Proserpina/Persephone which its discoverer (for half of its orbital period, it's distant from Pluto, and it's near Pluto for the other half of its orbital period, Dr. Michael Brown pointed out. He even thought Persephone and Proserpina would have been a good name for it.


Some of Zane Stein's keywords for Eris' keywords are based on Proserpina/Persephone symbolism.


Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord; pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal, belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic; identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles; incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box; the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race intent.
http://www.zanestein.com/keywords.html#Eris


these are the keywords that are based on the symbolism of Perephone/Proserpina:

Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of death and rebirth)


Uranus seems to have traits based on Prometheus but also includes sky/air symbolism of the deity,Uranus/Ouranos, and Neptune seems to have traits based on Bacchus/Dionysus but also includes water/ocean/sea symbolism of the deity, Neptune/Poseidon.


It seems that Eris could have personality traits of Eris but also have symbolism of Proserpina/Persephone.


In Eris' discovery chart http://www.astrofuturetrends.com/id70.html

Sun in 15'34 Capricorn
trine/sextile Heliocentric Proserpina Nodes in 15'56 Taurus/Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Persephone Nodes in 16'40 Pisces/Virgo

as you see, the heliocentric Proserpina Nodes and the heliocentric Persephone Nodes aspect each other. The Sun aspects both. The orb is 6 minutes over for the Persephone Nodes, but it aspects the Proserpina Nodes less than 1 degree,and so there can be an accumulation effect.


Mars in 7'40 Sagittarius
conjunct Proserpina in 8'40 Sagittarius

Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 6'44 Capricorn/Cancer
square Geocentric South Persephone Node in 6'35 Libra


Moon in 10'57 Scorpio
conjunct Ceres in 9'51 Scorpio


Moon is not only in the sign modern-ruled by dwarf planet Pluto, but it is also conjunct the dwarf planet Ceres.


It was because of Eris' discovery that Pluto and Ceres are now classed as dwarf planets.
Just like Hades/Pluto and Demeter/Ceres share Persephone/Proserpina, Pluto and Ceres share dwarf planet status along with Eris.

The Moon conjunct Ceres seems like Eris can show favoritism towards Ceres. Eris got Ceres promoted and Pluto demoted. I think of Moon-Ceres conjunction being a women's rights configuration, and so I think Eris is connected to women's rights. I think Ceres and Pluto being equal now is like a celestial woman's right movement. hahahahaha


I am surprised that Magi Society hasn't said that Eris is the worst planet of all. After all, it was discovered during Saturn oppose Chiron which is Heartbreak Clash aspect.

hahahahahaha


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posted May 28, 2010 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
That was an excellent read!

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posted May 28, 2010 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
"I think Ceres and Pluto being equal now is like a celestial woman's right movement. hahahahaha"

Definitely.


My chart has some (even though not overwhelming many) interesting aspects with the Eris discovery chart.

Sun opposes my Saturn - 1°23
Helio Proserpina Nodes square my Moon - 1°11
Helio Persephone Nodes conjunct my Juno - 0°17

Mars conjunct my ASC - 0°39
Mars conjunct my Mars - 2°30
Mars conjunct my NN - 2°30
Mars conjunct my Neptune - 2°16
Mars square my Ceres - 1°57

Proserpina conjunct my ASC - 1°39
Proserpina conjunct my NN - 1°30
Proserpina conjunct my NEptune - 1°16
Proserpina square my Ceres - 0°57

Midheaven conjunct my Venus - 0°36

Geo South Persephone Node conjunct my Midheaven - 1°37


Moon trine Ceres - 1°20
Moon trine Jupiter - 0°15
Ceres trine Ceres - 0°14
Ceres trine Jupiter - 1°21

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posted May 28, 2010 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you, IQ.

This myth just resonates strongly with me.

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posted May 28, 2010 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dolphin07     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for posting DD. This myth resonates with me also.

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