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Topic: tropical and heliocentric composite (IQ and others)
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DD Knowflake Posts: 4372 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 11:38 AM
If the heliocentric chart is about the HIGHER SELF of a person, wouldn`t the heliocentric composite be indicative of the HIGHER SELF of these person`s relationship? Also, I saw these configurations in tropical and helio composite and wonder if they are significant and what they could mean. Well, I think they would be significant, as they are so tight in orb.
TROPICAL COMPOSITE
(1) Moon on 22.5 Cap in 12th Ceres in 23.2 Pisces in 2nd Juno in 22.1 Taurus in 4th Valentine in 23.3 Scorpio in 10th Lust in 22 Scorpio in 10th Angel in 22.1 Scorpio in 10th This gives the aspects of: [VALENTINE conjunct LUST conjunct ANGEL] sextile MOON trine CERES opposite JUNO MOON sextile CERES MOON trine JUNO CERES sextile JUNO (btw in the DRACO composite there is actually a conjunction of Valentine, Lust, Angel and Juno) (2) Venus on 16 Cap in 12th Proserpina on 14.1 Cap in 12th Pluto on 15.1 LIbra in 9th Pallas in 16.4 Aqua in 1st Eros in 14.4 Taurus in 4th (conj. IC)
[VENUS conjunct PROSERPINA] trine EROS square PLUTO
PLUTO trine PALLAS PLUTO quinkunx EROS (3) Mars on 23 Libra in 9th NN on 20.4 Libra in 9th Amor on 20.3 Libra in 9th Moon on 22.5 Cap in 12th Saturn on 21.5 Leo in 7th Juno on 22.1 Taurus in 4th
[MARS conjunct AMOR conjunct NN] square MOON sextile SATURN quinkunx JUNO
HELIO COMPOSITE ----------------- -----------------
(1)Venus on 13.2 Aquarius Jupiter on 11 Gemini Pluto on 13.2 Libra Ceres on 12.4 Aries Persephone on 11.2 Leo A Grand Trine / Kite of Venus trine Jupiter trine Pluto with Venus opposing Persephone and Pluto opposing Ceres (including Pluto sextile Persephone) (2) Valentine on 13.4 Scorpio Psyche on 13.3 Pisces Lust on 10.4 Scorpio Uranus on 10.1 Scorpio Angel on 13.1 Scorpio [VALENTINE conjunct LUST conjunct URANUS conjunct ANGEL] trine PSYCHE
I found it interesting that this Valentine-Lust-Angel conjunction exists in both tropical and heliocentric chart.
It also seems like Ceres, Pluto and Proserpina / Persephone (and Venus) are connected to each other in both charts, and they are part of the same myth. I wonder how that would play out in a more practical real-life situation? Any suggestions?
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Lara Knowflake Posts: 3940 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 11:51 AM
hmmm interesting question and interesting results. Could the pluto/persephone/venus/proserpina/ceres connections point to a goddess-like, fated, caring vibe between the two? I'm just guessing here IP: Logged |
iQ Knowflake Posts: 1579 From: Chennai, India Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 12:13 PM
Hi DD, The logic is sound but do not forget that there is no chance of any negativity in the Heliocentric Chart, nor any karmic tie. Things like Lust would be meaningless nor any negative aspect of Pluto or Mars or Saturn.Squares and Oppositions totally lose their negative meaning as well. Only the Highest Level of Experience and Choice of the two Souls would be shown. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 4372 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 01:30 PM
Lara,yes, that makes sense, indeed. Actually when I met him there was this overwhelming sense of caring, even though this is so unlikely, given that there hasn`t been any "real" connection between us. I can`t really describe it. Of course synastry plays a role here, too, his Ceres is on my IC and trines my ASC precisely. I remember one funny "incident". I was standing there, and suddenly felt like I was losing balance, I was tripping, stumbling (but luckily didn`t fall). He was metres away from me, and yet, the moment I was tripping he made some steps into my direction; almost like he subconsciously or consciously noticed that I was tripping and was just subconsciously reacting. Maybe it was just a coincidental movement on his part, but I found the synchronicity fascinating. There`s also an overwhelming sense of familiarity, yet - that is unusual - I do not have any memories of a past life. Usually I have at least a "feeling" of past life stuff with most people around me (actually a colleague of mine insists on calling me "Sabine"; he is very puzzled by this, himself. He has known me for 5 years now, and still calls me Sabine now and then, and he once or twice jokingly mentioned that he may have known me under this name in another life). But with this guy from the composite? Nada. Nothing. It`s strange cause why would he feel so familiar, if I hadn`t know him in a previous life? It puzzles me quite a bit. Since there is Pluto and Persephone involved here, maybe it`s also about transformation? I mean there is a Pluto-Proserpina-square in the tropical and Draco composite; a Pluto-Persephone-sextile in Helio composite. In synastry his Pluto is precisely sextile my Proserpina, and my Pluto is trine his Proserpina with under 2 degrees. His Helio Pluto is also exactly sextile my Helio Proserpina. On top of that in our first meeting chart, the Tr Pluto was conjunct Tr Moon and TR Juno and all three of them were conjunct my Draco Persephone! Tr Pluto actually was transiting over my Dr Persephone AGAIN, when this guy sort of "reappeared" in my life. (Oh and funnily, the Draconic Transiting Pluto was just transiting over his natal tropical Proserpina, when we met). I guess there is some kind of a theme about "going below the surface" for me with that highlighted Persephone / Proserpina-aspect. Interestingly, after Pluto will have moved over my Draco Persephone again, he will conjunct my tropical Venus. In a way I guess I first must "go through" Persephone on a soullevel, before contacting Venus. Or maybe that sounds too crazy.
IQ,
thank you for pointing that out. I actually did forget about that! *claps forehead* You said, Lust would be meaningless? Why is that? Because you view it negatively? Or because Lust is something completely tied to our earthly, physical level of experience, lacking any kind of spirituality? How would the challenging aspects be interpreted? Like a square and opposition, that you have already "solved"? IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 409 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 03:36 PM
So, since there is no negative and everything is at its highest level, would Neptune transform into a second Venus?------------------ Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚ Gemini Sun 24˚ Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury 25˚ Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon) And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 4372 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 03:53 PM
I still think there is a difference between Neptune and Venus, even though Neptune is called "higher octave of Venus". But I don`t think the outer planets lose their "spirituality" in helio charts.IP: Logged |
Got Gemini? Knowflake Posts: 409 From: Mercury Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 04:13 PM
INteresting. How would we interpret Squares and Opps? I know a square is all about in your face friction that can be a nuisance at times, but how do we look at that aspect? Same with Opp, even though the good side of Opps is more prevalent than Squares.------------------ Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚ Gemini Sun 24˚ Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house) Gemini Mercury 25˚ Cancer Venus 29˚ (Mutual reception with Moon) And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 4372 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 01, 2010 04:19 PM
That was what I was asking IQ, too. As of now I think that maybe the square and opposition in the helio is only indicative of energy? But without the friction-aspect? I donīt know though. Lara,
I just remembered one thing. Some time after I had met this guy, I was talking to some people, and they were expressing their bemusement, as he suddenly started drawing the eye of Horus everywhere. I found this fascinating, as at that time I had started to get quite immersed into the Egyptian mythology. Anyway do you have an idea what the Eye of Horus means spiritually? (I know that it is a representation of the senses, but I can`t shake t he feeling there is more to that symbol than what meets the eye, quite literally in this case). But maybe I am wrong.
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