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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 03, 2010 01:01 PM
  
I never even had somewhat of a grasp on Chiron until Pluto began opposing mine a year ago. Even now, it's somewhat mind boggling. Does it wound or does it heal? If that's already been answered, then I apologize...I haven't read all the above posts yet. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 03, 2010 01:24 PM
I think it IS wounded, and experience the triggering of this wound as wounding itself; but it is only then that true healing can start.But no I am not sure.
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Ami Ann
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posted June 03, 2010 01:46 PM
Just finished Chiron in the houses.
BM--Chiron heals you by making you move from the earth(Saturn) to revelation(Uranus).
So--if you had a bad childhood--Chiron makes you move from the wounds to embrace the wisdom and depth you can get by overcoming the wounds.
Am I clear or not? Please ask any questions cuz I am trying to understand what I am reading  . Ami
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jane
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posted June 03, 2010 01:57 PM
I don't even know where to begin describing how I experience Chiron. It's so integrated in my chart and who I am that it's difficult to isolate its influence and see it as something outside me.
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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 03, 2010 02:02 PM
My chiron is in Cancer/6th so supposedly the emotions are connected to your health, for good or worse. I was under alot of 'stress' around that time so I gained around 30 lbs in under six months from reverting to an old habit (this is why I now believe chiron deeply rooted compulsive behaviors somehow). Everything seems to revolve around food when I'm emotionally off balance...some periods I'll overeat, and sometimes I won't eat much at all (like around 6 years ago). In addition to that, my anemia was so bad, it was almost like a hibernation period for me. Everything that was 'okay' just became worse. ***I recently took a certified test for BDD and I had many of the red flags. IP: Logged |
jane
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posted June 03, 2010 02:11 PM
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Ami Ann
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posted June 03, 2010 02:19 PM
Oh Jane
You made me cry. That is sooooo beautiful. I will never forget that.
What a healing in an instant from someone's love.
Thank you for sharing it!
 Ami
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jane
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posted June 03, 2010 02:33 PM
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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 03, 2010 02:58 PM
There's an obsession with looking perfect that sucks because it's time and life consuming. You looking for flaws that might not even be there, you find a flaw that might even not even be a flaw. And no matter what people say, you hate the reflection looking back at you. You rarely take pictures, and you wonder why your sibling and mother look perfect, but you've been cursed. The feeling of not feeling/looking like others has been there as long as I've been aware of my own reflection, but the obsession blew up when I was 14. And like your brother, it doesn't help that I've been losing and gaining weight most of my life. Chiron in the 6th seems to be the candidate for this type of thing. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 03, 2010 03:01 PM
Chiron in the first house is a crisis of "Who am I?
You must go from your own ego(earth bound i.e. Saturn) to letting your ego go and channeling energies from the Universe/God (Uranus).
This house produces great healers when they can channel the energy using themselves as the vessel.
If they don't--they have too much nervous energy.
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jane
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posted June 03, 2010 03:15 PM
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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 03, 2010 03:38 PM
You know what's strange? It's rare that I've ever been attracted to a perfect looking man in the classic sense, so it's strange that I would have such high standards for myself...but I do. The Virgo energy seems only exacerbate it, I agree.
If I had any ideas, I would tell you. Everything I've tried since 14 has only turned out to be a temporary relief. They say the best thing is therapy, but first you have to be officially diagnosed and then for me there's the question of insurance and whether yours would even cover it, and blah blah blah.
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jane
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posted June 03, 2010 04:00 PM
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teasel
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posted June 03, 2010 08:43 PM
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I don't even know where to begin describing how I experience Chiron. It's so integrated in my chart and who I am that it's difficult to isolate its influence and see it as something outside me.
I'm having trouble thinking of the effect I might have on others, Chiron-wise, because it's tightly conjunct my Sun, and it also conjoins my Mercury/Ceres in the 6th house. *edit I'll edit later - I've only skimmed the thread, so far. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted June 03, 2010 10:14 PM
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You know what else is strange? My brother's the same way! He likes women whose appearance is a little offbeat. Unconventional beauty. Have you seen "American Beauty"? A character is dating what's supposed to be the "average" looking girl, and the "pretty" one doesn't understand why he would choose the "average" one. He tells her that she - the pretty one - is just "ordinary." My brother loved that scene. He says that's what turns him off - ordinary beauty. Cookie-cutter looks. Yet he applies the most rigid cookie cutter to himself!
I vaguely remember watching that film, but I could be thinking of something else. Its the one where the father has some weird thing for the young neighbor, right?
The convo sounds alot like me. A perfect looking guy is just too strange to me, there has to be something out of place for me. I just don't get why I can't apply this standard to myself. My features seems so out of place to me that I might as well become a hermit with a deep hood.
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posted June 04, 2010 03:34 PM
Teasel -No pressure to discuss it if you don't want to, but does your 6th house Chiron affect you in the same way it affects BM and my brother? IP: Logged |
jane
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posted June 04, 2010 03:39 PM
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DD
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posted June 04, 2010 03:43 PM
Jane," think that's a big part of what Chiron is about. Before we see that personalization as a strength (Uranus), our difference instead makes us feel inadequate and inferior (Saturn). "
I think that may be absolutely true. 
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jane
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Ami Ann
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posted June 04, 2010 04:21 PM
Chiron in the houses is about rising from the Saturn(earth bound) realm to the Uranus( higher vibrational ) realm in whatever area the house represents. This is your focal point of life--according to this book--your personal place of overcoming pain--transmuting the dirt(earth /Saturn) to gold(higher vibrations/ Uranus)
So, in the second house-you have to take earth values(2nd house) and make them deeper values or values(8th house) that are beyond your own possessions or your own self esteem.
In the third house--your communication has to get to be of a spiritual nature(9th house)
In the fourth house-your childhood has to be overcome so you have something to offer to society(10th house) by the example of your overcoming.
The fifth house Chiron often has sexual addictions. The child runs amok seeking pleasure. You have to aspire to the 11th house with a universal love of mankind --not just a personal/pleasure seeking love.
In the sixth house--they are often hypochondriacs.
I hate to leave it on that note but have to study more
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DD
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posted June 04, 2010 04:36 PM
Jane,you? Shy? 
UN-BE-LIEV-AB-LE.
Seriously you can tell me everything through email; but then again you have a Scorpio ASC, maybe you donīt WANT to s hare everything about you. 
Interesting what you say about Chiron having IC-feel. It makes sense though.
And since my Chiron is in 4th house, the effects are probably pretty strong.
Ami Ann,
but I feel my childhood has been happy. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted June 04, 2010 04:53 PM
Well,DD-- Perhaps, you have not faced deeper pains which you are holding inside.
I am not saying you are but read up on Chiron in the 4th house and tell me what you think.
You have Chiron in Aries which is the warrior spirit--a very courageous person who will stand up and fight for what they believe.
You seem that way--here. Ami
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DD
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posted June 04, 2010 05:14 PM
Well, of course I do have deeper pains.
But I just wanted to emphasis that I am having a wonderful, basically supportive family. Very closely knit (which maybe IS the problem). The moment some of the nastier planets / objects land in the fourth house (like Mars, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto or Chiron), most astrologers go: "Ah. I see. You have been so mistreated as a child. Your family was horrible, which is the reason for all of your present problems." And I just feel like this attitude is oversimplifying things.
I actualy liked that one scene from "Postcards from L.A.", where Meryl Streep comes to Richard Dreyfuss (her film-father), complaining about her mother, her grandmother, the parent`s divorce, and how her complicated childhood is the cause for her taking drugs and not living the life she wants to.
And he listens to her and then he sais: "Yes, your childhood wasn`t as rosy as it should have been. Yes, we have made mistakes. And yes, you were a misunderstood child.
But you know what? You are not a child anymore. You are the one living your life, start accepting responsibility for it. The past cannot be changed. Your future is in your hands."
I agree with that very much. Not to say that childhood issues can`t be real "ghosts" haunting us, and of course they have impacted us strongly.
But I also think there comes a point, when everyone has to stop blaming everyone else and sitting around, complaining and doing nothing (must be the slight Aries quality in me. lol).
I wonder if "childhood" also relates to experiences with neighbours and other kids. IP: Logged |
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