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A_L_F
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posted June 06, 2010 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message
When the planets transit the zodiac we see effects and corresponding events in our lives etc. Now. Do you take the 1st house as your Sun sign, or your ascendent? Example if you're Leo Sun sign, and Taurus Ascendent, is Taurus your first house or Leo? Or do both have an effect. I've always noticed Solar house manifestations for tranits i.e, if Jupiter was in the sign after my Sun sign then it would influence rule my finances, whereas as seen from my ascendent it would be a whole different area. Conversely it seems that pivotal aspects like eclipses etc seem to manifest in a way that corresponds to my natal ascendent as being the first house and starting point for the houses. So transits i tend to look to the solar houses, whereas pivitoal aspects sometimes the natal houses starting from the ascendent.
I couldn't be bothered to try and explain this that well because i fear noone is going to understand what i mean, so i'm basically wasting my time. In the hope that someone might have had this notion before themselves i'm posting this in the hope for some relevent and intelligent feedback. I've written enough so that if that person is here they will know what i mean anyway.

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ohmybaby
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posted June 06, 2010 04:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ohmybaby     Edit/Delete Message
take the ascendant. it's similar to sun sign.

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A_L_F
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posted June 07, 2010 02:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message
Yep, thanks for that, idiot.

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posted June 07, 2010 12:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Happy Dragon     Edit/Delete Message
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A_L_F
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posted June 07, 2010 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message
Well happy i feel both work for sure. But i think with pivotal aspects one is much more noticeable than the other.

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Lara
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posted June 07, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL no flies on ALF i see. Were you a member before under a different name?

As far as your question - I'd say both... btw do you use equal or whole house system ALF? Does it affect the house your sun is in?

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A_L_F
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posted June 07, 2010 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message
Well i just wack it into astro.com like we all do. I think it used Placidus last time. To be honest i'm not sure what to use. Equal puts my chart ruler the Moon in the 2nd house and Placidus puts it in the third. Everything else i think stays the same house-wise. I'd love someone to explain to me in a no bulls4it kind of way what house system should be used. But i don't hold much hope of that here. Not unless i want a load of meaningless waffle instead of concise accurate answers.

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posted June 07, 2010 04:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
AlF.Threats won't get you anywhere..I feel bad from you. How are you?

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posted June 07, 2010 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Your different name you had here before must be Polo C...

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Peri
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posted June 07, 2010 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
well, that's interesting, I need to track transits through my solar chart counting the 1st from my Sun because I never did that before, when I did from ASC it did not make much sense to me really

speaking about house system, they say use the one that works for you best, for me it is Placidus, one and the most important reason I use it is because when checking solar arcs and progressions for important events such as death for example and there are no real indications for it in equal system, placidus always shows aspects to houses that perfectly make sense(for example a guy's sister died and there were no relevant aspects between planets but there were between planets AND houses! e.g Venus, 3ed House Ruler made a square to natal 8th house, while solar arc 3rd house cusp moved on Pluto afflicted natally by Venus) so Placidus works best for me and I trust it

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posted June 07, 2010 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry kid but PDF is back in town

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Ami Ann
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posted June 07, 2010 06:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Welcome back

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Peri
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posted June 07, 2010 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
MCM then PDF now

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amowls*
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posted June 07, 2010 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
Go to another forum if you're going to be a prick.

As far as transits go, I use houses taken from the ASC, not solar houses. And as far as house systems go, I use Placidus. Others swear by Equal or even Whole Houses. That's up for debate and there are plenty of other threads about it.

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Ami Ann
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posted June 07, 2010 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Don't call someone a prick,please. K?

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Spanky Butler
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posted June 07, 2010 09:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
Come on Ami, be fair.

Adam is known for his speech impediment & I think Amowls has taken exception to it & rightly so.


Is it right for him to call ohmybaby an idiot because he didn't find her response helpful?


**EDIT**

Of course this could just be a dose of idiotic karma bouncing back


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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 07, 2010 09:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
amen to that, Spanky

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Ami Ann
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posted June 07, 2010 09:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Spanky
Check out ohmybaby's responses and see what you think?
The last few days are enough.
I mean........... most of us want to learn astrology not just harrass people--you know?

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MyVirgoMask
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posted June 07, 2010 09:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MyVirgoMask     Edit/Delete Message
Ami, that's why Spanky said it was karma lol

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amowls*
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posted June 07, 2010 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I was mainly referring to ALF's attitude towards LL in general:

"I'd love someone to explain to me in a no bulls4it kind of way what house system should be used. But i don't hold much hope of that here. Not unless i want a load of meaningless waffle instead of concise accurate answers."

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Spanky Butler
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posted June 07, 2010 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Spanky Butler     Edit/Delete Message
MVM gets me


If she's the only one who understands then I'm content.


Ami - I'm not attacking your Bf so relax. I'm just calling a spade a spade. Adam's a big boy & not phased by anything I have to say, lol. As for his response to ohmybaby, in all honesty the response he got was valid but I don't think that was ALF's intention to feel the need to tell the troll off. I just think it was his normal response to an unsatisfactory answer.

Or am I not seeing things clearly? Maybe it's time for some spectacles on my part.

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Coffee
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posted June 08, 2010 08:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Alf, I get ya. These lovely ladies (and gent or two) do what lovely ladies do all the time and natter about anything. It seems anything about astrology, regardless if they are actually studying astrology.

Not always about doing the right thing as such or being serious, they are very much here to communicate. About whatever, hopefully astrology. You said what I wanted to

I can just about cope with these


Part understanding your question, will give it a quick run through, what I have used, if ok.

I favour equal house and also whole sign house system. Whole sign is the one I use - not too much difference. Why? We have 12 equal houses, 12 equal signs, so why not make it 12 unequal houses? Cos that would seem silly at first glance.
The tropical zodiac (this one) has the equal signs (in the sky , as such) laid across a belt going round earth. All equal in length. The sidereal zodiac (Vedic - one used in India and other 'groups') has the signs as the actual constellations in the sky. All unequal and divided by a star position, less measurable.

The tropical zodiac is based on the calender. The 4 cardinal points are Aries, Cancer, Libra, and Capricorn. If you want to know when Spring, Summer, Autumn, and Winter start, look at the Sun when it enters zero degrees of these signs and you will get a marker of when that season starts.

We have a fixed and very cyclic timing method of predicting the seasons here on earth. Happens every year.
I'm getting a little lost on myself here in wrapping this up, but think because of this equal set up given in the tropical zodiac, the timing here on earth fits and also represents/maintains consistency with how astrology is set up. Was that ok, if a little long?

Whole sign leaves the AC/DC and MC/IC axis seperate from house 1/7 and 4/10 to give more interpretation, and more significance to the axis, or 4 cardinal points of the zodiac. Whole sign also bring the focus more onto the signs as houses, as such. As in, the house cusps are exactly the same as the sign cusps.


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posted June 08, 2010 08:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coffee     Edit/Delete Message
Original question....

Look at the natal chart in 2 parts:
1) The planets in the signs on the inside
2) The houses on the outside.

Many astrologers (and reputable ones at that) view the Sun as the centre of everything astrology - Linda Goodman anyone? (sorry)
Then they look at Moon as emotions and then Mercury as intelligence.

Learned to ignore that very quickly.

When I do astrology, I always start on the outside, with the house and work my way inside.

Take the planets which rule the sign and also the signs too, do you see something similar?
example....Mars is about warrior type, independence, aggresion. Aries is....the exact same. Why? Mars is the ruler of Aries and therefore the same. Just as Venus is the same as Taurus and Libra, Gemini same as Virgo and Gemini, Moon as Cancer, Sun as Leo, Pluto as Scorpio, Jupiter as Sagittarius, Saturn as Capricorn, Uranus as Aquarius, and Neptune as Pisces.

Once you get the hang of the planets representing their sign, hold that for later and then move on to the final step....
Look at your and any other persons natal, and look at house 1 (regardless of the sign on the cusp) as representing anything about Aries (and Mars) because Aries is the first sign of the zodiac, and you are looking at your 1st house.

Every 1st house will be about Aries matters (self/appearance) just as every 2nd house will be about Finances and food)

Now start to put the signs on.
You are Cancer rising. Put Cancer, the sign of home/family, on your 1st house cusp.
This now means that your 1st house (which is all about Aries - personality etc) is influenced by Cancer themes. Sensitive is one word to describe that.

You mention transits....
You want to see whats going on with your brother, you look at house 3 in your natal chart, which has Virgo on the cusp (in whole sign house system)
You want to see whats happening, you take the ruler of the sign on your 3rd cusp (because you want to know about your brother) which is Mercury, and see what the aspects are.

You link that planet with whatever planet is near or aspecting, to form a link between your brother (or 3rd house matter) and something else.

So, forget about look at the planets for the time being and look from the houses - from the outside in. Take whatever sign is on the cusp of the house (that you have interest in) as representing whatever that house originally represents.

You getting this? Hope it was clear. Hard to explain.

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A_L_F
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posted June 09, 2010 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for A_L_F     Edit/Delete Message
WTF??

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