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Topic: I think we've finally found our wedding date!!!
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taumini
Knowflake Posts: 70
From: The Big Smoke
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 04:37 PM
 
Bumpsville!  xxx IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 556
From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 05:03 PM
You say you only want to do this once? OK, my strong and last opinion is to pick a date and time where Neptune is nowhere the IC and please wait until Mars and Saturn at (at the very least) more than 11 degrees away from each other. That's my final answer.Otherwise, explain to me how a Mars-Saturn conjunction can really benefit you in your relationship. It is one of the most brutal measurements for relationship that you can have. If you tell me that you are both construction workers or mountain climbers or scultors or serious bodybuilders, something of that nature - what is the hardworking aspect of your relationship that can actually handle that conjunction? I'm serious, I'd like an answer if you can provide one. With Moon opposite Neptune (should you choose to have it), sure, it describes your husbands profession, but how does it fit comfortably into the nature of your RELATIONSHIP in a way that is comfortable for BOTH OF YOU? IP: Logged |
taumini
Knowflake Posts: 70
From: The Big Smoke
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 05:18 PM
Geocosmic - are you implying that the Mars-Saturn conjunction might possibly indicate the possibility of domestic violence developing within the marriage? You'll have to forgive me, as my astrology is basic at best...We don't have this aspect in our composite or synastry, although his Mars opposes both my Mars AND Saturn as I have a conjucntion between the two natally in Scorpio (4th house). I was badly abused as a child. Oh, and both our Neptune's are conjunct and opposing his Venus in Synastry, so we are reasonably used to that side of it. (He is a Pisces moon, so at home with this aspect. I struggle, but my Aquarian side gets me by). This is scaring me a bit now. Are you able to suggest any other options? El xxx IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 556
From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 05:41 PM
Astrology is not meant to be scary, but it is also not meant to be treated like it's a game. People want to hear all the good, fun, sparkly magical stuff, but astrology can also give us tremendous insight into the other real energies that we may deal with and handle with our own free will. I say this because if I were seriously electing a date for my wedding, I would consult a professional astrologer (me or someone else) to have it done. A great majority of the astrologers on this site have strong enough skills to see that a Mars-Saturn conjunction in your wedding chart is really not a good idea. You're asking us for our opinions and we are giving them. What you choose to do with the knowledge that you're gleaning here is, once again, your free will. But understand that we usually seek insight to avoid as many problematic issues as possible. I'm telling you that, in my professional astrological opinion, I would steer far and clear away from a Mars-Saturn conjunction, square or opposition in my wedding chart unless it was really compatible with the personality of my spouse and I. As you know from your own experience in life, owning a strongly tense Mars-Saturn aspect yourself, you really don't want to drag those issues into your marriage as well, as much as you can help it. To do an election chart for a wedding is an expensive service, the best I can tell you to do without charging you is to have you read over what I've said in all of my posts so far. Read them seriously and carefully because I've said nothing lightly here. I suggest you have your wedding earlier in the summer when Mars isn't so close to Saturn. And forget about all that Magi Cinderella stuff. Yes, those measurements are in these charts you're showing, but there are other measurements that not showing a "happily ever after" scenario. The other measurements are trumping the Cinderella stuff, so toss it out. Take this seriously as well: You can choose fear or you can choose wisdom. You can understand that you are not helpless in your situation to choose when you want to have your wedding. You are a very resourceful person, act like it. Also, everyone here has heard me quote this a million times but I'll say it to you here and now: A very wise man by the name of Little Stevie Wonder once said, "If you believe in things that you don't understand, then you suffer. Superstition ain't the way." Good luck.
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taumini
Knowflake Posts: 70
From: The Big Smoke
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 05:50 PM
Okay - thank you Geocosmic - I really appreciate your advice. I will have to look into changing it (luckily, nothing is booked yet). He only picked August to avoid the bloody Venus retro in June, lol!!!Thank you once again - I will let you know what happens and when..... xxx IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted June 21, 2010 05:51 PM
I had a mars/saturn opposition 1' orb in my wedding chart. Mars in 4th and saturn in 10th. Oh boy, was it an aggressive marriage. He shouted and ranted from beginning to end, at which point i literally had to scrape what was left of me off the floor and drag myself out of the door to end it. It was abusive to the hilt and yet it totally made me. If i had known Geo back then i would have changed my wedding date.  The irony is that it started with stars in our eyes - totally besotted with one another... Please listen to Geo and try to pick another date. The marriage Chart becomes your chart for the entire relationship thereafter. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 556
From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 06:00 PM
Wow! Thanks for your generous personal disclosure, Lara. And you reminded me that tense Mars-Saturn aspects can express themselves as rage.I also just want to say this as a reminder, especially for those who have Mars-Saturn aspects. It's not a jail sentence of a guarantee of abuse. There are some people and couples who resonate well enough with these energies, they somehow have been able to find a positive outlet for these aspects, so I don't want to be too judgemental, that's why I kept asking Taumini if she could seriously tell me how she and her spouse could express these energies positively. If you can't think of any way or if you are not both -like- survivalists or something, or your hobby is to build houses together or you both love mountain climbing or serious desert hikes and stuff like that, then really consider having your wedding another time. IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted June 21, 2010 06:07 PM
Very much so Geocosmic and the thing is that you could never guess that this would happen. I think mars is forced by saturn to show himself - and if either person is not of true wisdom or living in truth, then the consequences can be pretty detrimental. Looking back, i still wonder what happened to our love after our marriage. It just got sucked up by a greater energy - now i realize it must have been mars/saturn.I admire you for your truth. It is refreshing and selfless. I learn a lot from you, thank you  IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 3591
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 06:50 PM
August 11, 12, 2012Sun square Heliocentric Mars Nodes in 19'39 Taurus/Scorpio That's a strong connection to collective Mars energy. It can be very aggressive and violent
heliocentric nodes move up to 1 degree per century. Mars Nodes will be in 19 to 20 degrees Taurus/Scorpio for some decades.
another thing
Sun conjunct both Mars/Ceres and Saturn/Ceres midpoints
I also wouldn't underestimate Eris. It is Pluto's and Ceres' equal as a dwarf planet. It is also larger than both Pluto and Ceres.
Mars-Saturn oppose Eris during those days
there is also Venus oppose Pluto. You don't want that in a chart. It could indicate potential power issues, obsession,secrets,trust issues,betrayal,abuse,and/or trauma in the relationship.
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Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 556
From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 07:07 PM
Thank you, too, Lara. Your disclosure was very self-less as well. Did you ever look at your ex-husband's chart? It could reveal some of his psychological issues that you and he never knew existed.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted June 21, 2010 07:53 PM
I can't read his chart very well but I can post it in a new thread tomorrow If you'd like to see it?
I have his birth time IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 556
From: New York, NY
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 21, 2010 08:10 PM
Sure, I'd like to see it. But do me a favor please. Put it in the "Personal Readings" thread of this website and I'll read it. But understand that I will treat it as neutrally as possible, basically meaning that I won't purposely treat him like he's a bad or evil person, that kind of thing. But we can find out what caused him to possibly be so violent.One thing that happens to a majority of people who marry is that they think marriage will be an answer to all of their problems or it will be a magical romantic healing of all their problems when the reality is that it is more like a project and business partnership that requires hard work and a higher level of cooperation than most people are prepared to give or process. When they realize that marriage doesn't make life feel easier in every area, that it can actually be the opposite, they feel locked into this stressful reality and begin to regret it with a strong intensity. The great majority of people never consider this before marriage, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE YOUNG. We all usually have such high expectations and unrealistic expectations when it comes to marriage. That's just how western society has been operating since - I'd have to say - The Victorian Age. But yes, if you post it in Personal Readings, I'll do it. IP: Logged | |
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