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21arcturus
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posted June 18, 2010 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21arcturus     Edit/Delete Message
Just some observations:

Mars in aspect to Uranus (Trine and Square seem to show up the most)

Venus, Mars, or Jupiter in the Pleiades

Mars and Jupiter simultaneously occupying Taurus

Mars in harmonious aspect with Jupiter

Sun opposite/conjunct Uranus

A planet in the Pleiades aspecting the Sun, Uranus or Mars

The sex planets occupying both Gemini and Aries simultaneously

Venus in Aries

Mars in Taurus, Libra or Aquarius, especially when aspecting Uranus

Pluto or Uranus aspecting the Venus/Mars midpoint

Moon conjunct Venus

Mercury in tense aspect to Mars

Sex planets simultaneously occupying Pisces

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posted June 19, 2010 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message
Venus in Aquarius would make sense too.

And how would moon conjunct venus indicate it? hmm

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posted June 19, 2010 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
moon conj venus is emphasis on feminine nature in natal..effeminate I'm guessing..

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Ami Ann
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posted June 19, 2010 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
What do you mean by sex planets occupying Gem and Aries simultaneusly?
Do you mean Venus or Mars being in one or the other like Venus in Gem and Mars in Aries or Mars in Gemini and Venus in Aries
Thanks very much,
Ami

PS Why would Mercury in tense aspect to Mars be a factor?
What would be the reasoning on that one?
I have read that Mercury is considered bi--sexual.So--if Mars aggressive energy squared Mercury--are you saying that could be a factor?


PPS--lol-- I wonder why Mars and Jupiter in Taurus would be one.
It is a sensual sign.Maybe , that is it.

What would be the reasoning with Mars in harmonious aspects to Jupiter ?Would Jupiter would be expanding Mars sexuality?


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posted June 19, 2010 05:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message
Am I the only one whose gonna say it?

Lots of Uranus shows homosexuality in males

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Ruben
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posted June 19, 2010 05:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ruben     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with the Uranus influence as it would make them more sexually open minded and curious.

I don't see the relevance of Moon conj Venus though. That intensifies femininity and I don't think it has anything to so with sexual orientation...

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Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted June 19, 2010 06:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dy-na-mi-tee     Edit/Delete Message
Most of these aspects could show bi-sexuality & many other things. Uranus can simply be "different" to the norm in some way.

When this topic comes up, every so often - people usually agree that there is no such thing as an astrological indicator of homosexuality.

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posted June 19, 2010 06:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
Dyn's right. This question gets thrown about the forum every few months and there's always debate about it. My belief is that you can't say that one particular aspect indicates homosexuality in men or women. I don't think Uranus is a factor in terms of curiousity because the way I see it it's not a choice, although people can choose to experiment and that's a different issue. People are attracted to what and who they are attracted to - it's a natural draw.

I also believe that we all have the potential to fall in love with people of the same sex. That's not to say that we all have the same potential for that sexual expression. There's some kind of balance of bisexuality in everyone, I think.

Also, I have a number of those natal aspects listed in the first post and to date I haven't been sexually or romantically attracted to other women (and I understand the thread is specifically about male homosexuality).

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Ruben
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posted June 19, 2010 08:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ruben     Edit/Delete Message
I agree with PeaceAngel, I believe bisexuality or pansexuality are natural states for everyone, but sometimes they don't develop. I always hate it when I hear things like "heterosexuality is natural." It's not natural, just more common.

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posted June 19, 2010 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21arcturus     Edit/Delete Message
Funnily, Moon Conj. Venus was the one I wanted to remove from the list.

And to clarify, yes, Mars in Aries with Venus in Gemini would be a classic example.

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posted June 19, 2010 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Yeah

These threads on homosexuality are redundant and always debatable.

The same aspects for homosexuality could also be the same aspects that you will find in people that are sex hormonal divergent or into interracial relationships.

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21arcturus
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posted June 19, 2010 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 21arcturus     Edit/Delete Message
I'll agree with that last one in a very "maybe" kind of way... but do you think homosexuality is truly divergent?

I do think it's funny though; I mean, it's almost like some of you imagine yourselves defending homosexual people when you downplay astrological determinism in this area only..

I think it's strange, because homosexual people don't need defending. They might find such a notion quite offensive, really..

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posted June 19, 2010 08:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

what I mean by sex hormonal divergent is people with higher or lower than average type hormonal levels


for example
a male with higher than average levels of estrogen and lower than average levels of testosterone

That's me.

That's what I mean by sex hormonal divergent

most people would say that's a sex hormonal imbalance that needs to be corrected

in my view, that's a relative perception based on what's normal

people say "sex hormonal imbalances"

but

I say sex hormonal divergence or differences


just like when people say "learning disorders",

I say learning differences


norms are based on what a majority think is right and acceptable

homosexuality is actually very normal through out many species that live on our planet. I read stories about homosexual penguins and elephants.


Homosexuality was viewed as a disorder and listed in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,and it was eventually dropped.


I read that it was common for ancient Greek soldiers to engage in homosexual activity.
I read that that homosexual activity was common in ancient Rome.

homosexual activity is said to be common in correctional facilities


I also don't think that we can find indicators for pedophilia either.

Some people confuse pedophilia for being homosexual, and those aren't even close to being the same thing. The Roman Catholic Church and other organizations have issues with pedophiles. That doesn't mean that they are homosexual and that homosexuality is a problem.

any ways I think sexuality stuff can be hard to tell in a chart, and those same aspects can be about hormonals

hormonal makeup doesn't equate to sexuality

Klinefelter Syndrome and Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome are conditions that involve sex hormonal divergence connected to chromosomes, and they don't fit the cookie cutter view of sexuality.


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Benedict Moon*
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posted June 20, 2010 12:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
I have two of these indicators (Mars in Aries/Gemini Venus and Mars square Uranus) and the idea of being in a relationship with another woman just does not appeal to me. I realize you were talking about guys, but still....

I think you can indicate in the chart whether people are open to certain sexual scenarios, but you can't determine people's orientations from it. I think that's what everyone's trying to get at, because this topic has been exhausted before with no answer.

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