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Topic: Mars opposite Neptune
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hodad
Knowflake Posts: 33
From: tiburon ca usa
Registered: May 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 05:40 AM
 
What are the different manifestations of Mars opposite Neptune? I have Mars in Taurus in the 8th opposite Neptune in Scorpio in the 2nd.I have heard it gives a person a certain type of mystique or charisma but also that it makes for a very naive,gullible and somewhat misdirected person.It seems like these two planets don't go together very well.Like when you take action(Mars) it somehow dissolves (Neptune) and the outcome is very different from what you thought you intended.Does anyone have a Mars/Neptune aspect in their chart and how does it play out? This is what I found on Bob Marks site--'Neptune Aspecting Mars: Can increase "charisma". Napoleon had the conjunction. So does Bill Clinton. People will obey you without knowing exactly why. The square and the opposition can cause you to start off in one direction and wind up in another. Like an ocean tide, Neptune will pull you where IT wants to take you.'
Anyone care to have a look and comment on my chart? IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 19, 2010 08:28 AM
I have Mars conjunct Neptune in Capricorn (trine Taurus Venus and sextile Scorpio Pluto) quote:
it gives a person a certain type of glamour or charisma
Whenever I read this, I find it kind of funny.. because you can just *tell* that the person who wrote it does not have this aspect themselves. "Glamour" and "Charisma" are a little bit --surface--.. at least from my perspective. It may look like charisma from the outside.. but from the inside all there is - is love and devotion to absolutely everyone.
That ^^ somehow translates to "charisma".. People like being liked and they like those who make them feel special.. Neptune is an expert at making people feel special. quote:
it makes for a very naive,gullible person
A lot of my actions are directed towards "others" and helping others in some way. It's next to impossible for a person with a close Mars-Neptune aspect to turn their back on anyone in need of help. Some astrologers say this can lead to being taken advantage of. But you know what?
Those astrologers *likewise* don't have the aspect in their charts.. because if they did - they would know that "taking advantage" is NOT in the Neptunian vocabulary. The concept of this doesn't even -exist-. No matter what a person has done - if they came to me for help - Then they needed the help and they couldn't get it any other way. You might call that "taking advantage" in some situations -- but I am neither critical nor judgmental enough to say that.. nor do I feel self-important enough - for it to kill my "ego" that others may interpret it that way. quote:
somewhat misdirected person
I'm generally clear on what I want, so I do have a direction - but my Sun and Mars are exalted. Maybe that makes a difference. quote:
Does anyone have a Mars/Neptune aspect in their chart and how does it play out?
It mostly plays out in my career. My MC is Pisces and Jupiter is conjunct MC.. so the dispositor of this is Neptune.
Basically ALL of my energy goes into actions that are aimed at helping a group of people.
I almost never take an action with a self-centered goal.
I don't know whether that is positive or negative - maybe it's a bit of both.. But I'm happy with this aspect. I wouldn't trade it for anything else lol IP: Logged |
mir
Knowflake Posts: 207
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Registered: May 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 08:43 AM
My best friend has a close Mars(pisces)/Neptune(virgo) opposition.The first years - when I just saw him riding his bike while again & again extremely exuberant waving at me - he was just a visual object to me whereby I got the impression of *The Vulnerable Fool* that at the same time touched my heart deeply. One day, we got to know each other better and he turned out to be the most smart & interesting person I ever met.
The very living proof that my thoughts (which would be everyone's) or conditioned mind wasn't in accordance with the person I got to know. Such a big surprise! Whether he shams madness or not doesn't matter, its's his way or weapon in the harsh world of today, to save his life in a way unimaginable for most. It must be confirmed that also his way of dealing with troubled situations/persons around him wasn't mine or one of the crowd.
I learned a LOT from his far-from-aggressive attitude.. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
Knowflake Posts: 1717
From: US
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 09:02 AM
I have Neptune trine Mars (9 degrees) so some people would not count it but Neptune aspects all my planets except moon and Venus so I think I can answer.
I am unlike Dy-na-mit-ee in that my Sun and moon are not as strong as hers. I have Sun in Gem and moon in Cancer.
I have not developed the strength in my chart(Scorpio/Pluto) so I think I have been hurt in my life by being so strongly Neptunian.
I think it was the reason my life plummeted.
One Liz Green book talks about the Mars/Neptune dichotomy.
If you have this "split" as she calls it--you MUST resolve it in such a way that your life will work.
If not--you will have problems on one or the other end.
If you are too Neptunian--you live in a dream world.
If you are too Martian--you miss the subtler things of life like creativity and fairy tale beauty which does exist.
For me--I was too Neptunian in that I could not SEE myself and others for how we really are.
*I* lived in a fairy tale where *I* was all good and other people were either all good or all bad.
I was skating on the surface living this lie until my life exploded.
Too much Neptune will have Pluto coming along and blowing it up.
My advice to myself and everyone else is to do all you can to see beyond rose colored glasses.
I think the trick is to STILL believe in beauty and fairy tales with the child like part of yourself but have a stronger part which can pick up it's marbles and go home when needed  x o x Ami IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 19, 2010 09:16 AM
Hi Ami -- quote:
If you are too Neptunian--you live in a dream world.
If you are too Martian--you miss the subtler things of life like creativity and fairy tale beauty
Sometimes I find Liz Greene superficial. Neptune is associated with dreams, drugs, delusion etc etc... But Neptune represents an OCEAN of things.
She reduces Neptune and Mars to such trivialities. She is one of those astrologers I was mentioning above. I understand this may be helpful for some and you found this particular part helpful. But from my perspective - this is very *surface*.. It's like the thin chocolate glaze on a huge cake that Liz Greene is missing. She can't see the forest, for the trees. Does she have an afflicted Virgo planet?
What's missing most of all, in that interpretation - is the blend of pure spirituality and the Martian courage/strength.. which is actually a very good mix - and needed in many areas. Liz Greene has a tendency to rain on people's parade and focus on the negatives - in particular when it comes to transpersonal planets (and also - to Capricorn Moon: that was another exaggerated and negative interpretation she wrote) IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
Knowflake Posts: 1717
From: US
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted June 19, 2010 09:21 AM
You know, Dyn-a-mit-ee,I think you are seeing it in a real life way.
When you can blend these energies--you have a full bodied cake-if you will excuse the metaphor lol
I can see the maturity in your answer,friend.
Once again, you have me thinking beyond the box.
Oh-Oh--I JUST bought 3 more Liz Green Books 
x o x AmiIP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 19, 2010 09:25 AM
lol Ami - I think Liz Greene is great to read.. I mean I read her out of interest. There are things I do agree with and like in her writings. But generally I read her for fun - because there is often a debate raging in my mind, on many of the points she makes (mainly when she is focused on negatives *only*).
I like the mental stimulation though  :edit: Well you inspired me to look up Liz Greene's chart.. and Her Sun and Mercury in Virgo are opposite my Pisces Jupiter.
Surprise! Not... Shalt we say - a slight - microscopic vs macroscopic, communication *problem*? It's obviously my personal bias LOL But it's great to learn from oppositions.. and her Virgo has probably taught me a few things. IP: Logged |
Astra
Knowflake Posts: 223
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 12:37 AM
I have mars opposite neptune and it's a strange aspect to have. I never hesitate to help someone in need. However, if that person previously betrayed me, they will get NO help from me whatsoever. People often tell me that they don't feel judged at all when they're around me. I frankly don't care about someone's skin color, religion, etc as long as they are a good person. They also say that I have a soothing presence and can calm them down easily. If I want something, I pursue it aggressively. However, all of my goals revolve around helping others. I've heard some people describe this as a "spiritual warrior" aspect. I don't see the world through rose colored glasses at all but that may be due to my capricorn moon/ascendant and strong plutonic influence. IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
Knowflake Posts: 111
From: Cloud 22, Jupiter Ave, Lalaland
Registered: Jun 2010
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posted June 20, 2010 01:49 AM
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However, if that person previously betrayed me, they will get NO help from me whatsoever.
I was going to add earlier.. that even if I saw someone as my worst enemy (and they betrayed me) - if this person was in a seriously bad situation and had no other way out - I would still help. From my perspective - "we're all in this mess together" and we're all just as capable to make mistakes.. so I couldn't begrudge the "betrayer". It's interesting you're not on board with that ^ lol
Maybe it's my Pisces Jupiter (not Mars-Neptune). Otherwise our charts are similar. I have a Capricorn Moon as well and Venus opposite Pluto. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
Knowflake Posts: 253
From: US
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted June 20, 2010 05:41 AM
I have it conjunct in Cap in my first....I don't know how it plays for me lol------------------
~Believe~ IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
Knowflake Posts: 1717
From: US
Registered: Dec 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 05:47 AM
Interesting about Pisces Jupiter, Dy--na.
I have another interesting Jupiter story. My friend who was on both sides of the law lol has Jupiter in Detriment--Gemini.
He really played it loose with ethics.
What has your experience with other Jupiter placements been? Can you get a lot of info on the person's sense of ethics from the Jupiter sign,house, aspects etc?
Ami
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Cardinal Arbiter
Knowflake Posts: 231
From: T-dot
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 06:55 AM
I have this with Mars in Cancer and Neptune in Capricorn. I also have this in synastry with my girlfriend, since, you know, I don't tend to date people 10 years older or younger than me and all.IP: Logged |
Astra
Knowflake Posts: 223
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 20, 2010 07:10 AM
quote:
It's interesting you're not on board with that ^ lol
Maybe it's my Pisces Jupiter (not Mars-Neptune).
Lol. You could be right. Jupiter Pisces probably makes someone incredibly compassionate. I have venus trine neptune which makes me very kind, but this aspect probably isn't as strong as your Jupiter Pisces. Pisces is known for compassion and Jupiter expands whatever it touches, so it's no surprise to me that you're kind to everyone in need. I'm very vengeful for some reason. Maybe it's because my chart ruler is in Scorpio? IP: Logged |
Astra
Knowflake Posts: 223
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posted June 20, 2010 07:11 AM
Double Post. Sorry!IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted June 20, 2010 07:47 PM
My ex had the square and my Aries Mars/Uranus/Saturn square completed a T-Square with these planets (his neptune conjuct my Saturh/Uranus being the focus). There was alot of crap this brought, but since I'm not here to reveal too much information I'll just say the main theme was his annoying indirectness/vagueness. IP: Logged |
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