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vesta
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posted June 22, 2010 03:16 PM
 
DD,
I think I may be on to something
After looking at the charts of long term couples.have noticed the man's 13th harmonic desiderata or Juno always seems to aspect the womans natal moon, NN , ASC, or sun (mostly moon and NN). I don't have access to my computer to look for more but I have checked several couples I am interested to see if you or others find the same thing. IP: Logged |
seeleah
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posted June 22, 2010 03:19 PM
like what kind of aspect are you talking about, just out of curiousity...like conjunct or square, sextile..etc.IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted June 22, 2010 03:24 PM
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seeleah
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posted June 22, 2010 03:52 PM
hum...what about this...his north node conjuncts her juno...
and his juno conjuncts her psyche? all orbs under 5 degrees... IP: Logged |
seeleah
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posted June 22, 2010 03:52 PM
hum...what about this...his north node conjuncts her juno...
and his juno conjuncts her psyche? all orbs under 5 degrees... IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 04:01 PM
Interesting.The author of the book I have been reading (I think you are reading the same) sais the 13th harmonic is about finality, right?
So it makes sense to look at this I guess.
What orb did you allow`And you considered conjunction, opposition, square? And how many charts did you check? IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 04:27 PM
Vesta,LOL I was curious and checked Jude`s chart (cause my look fell onto his name in my astro.list).
Turns out his 13th harmonic Juno is conjunct my natal Sun within 1 degree.  IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted June 22, 2010 05:42 PM
DD, I checked the charts of 5 diffrent long term couples
I don't have access to my computer so unable to check more. The orbs always seem to be rather tight though my dad and stepmom are as far as three degree orb apart so I would possibly allow up to 3 deg. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 05:57 PM
3 degree seems reasonable.I have checked the relationship between my friend and the love of her life. They don`t have that. BUT her 13th Juno is conjunct HIS natal Sun. IP: Logged |
racole12
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posted June 22, 2010 06:10 PM
I looked at 5 couples that all have been married for more than 30 yrs (all family members- that I know how their relationship has worked over the years)... none of the aspects are tight/less than 6 degrees pertaining to the 13th harmonic juno... IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 06:10 PM
My parents (married for 36 years and still going on):
(his 13th Juno sextile her natal Moon
her 13th Juno trine his natal ASC - not a hard aspect though)
her 13th Desiderata conjunct his NN (by 1 degree)
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raspberri
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posted June 22, 2010 06:11 PM
Can someone tell me how to check this?IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 06:18 PM
°Paul Newman - JOanne Woodward:his 13th Desiderata square her ASC
° Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman:
his 13th Juno square her natal ASC and Venus
his 13th Desiderata square her natal NN
° Johnny Cash - June Carter:
his 13th Desiderata square her natal NN
her 13th Juno conjunct his natal Venus
her 13th Juno square his natal Pluto
(her 13th Desiderata trine hsi natal ASC exact) IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 22, 2010 06:20 PM
Rasperri, just make a harmonic chart on astro.com (type in the number 13 in the transit box) and add 3 (Juno) and 344 (Desiderata), then compare one person`s 13th harmonic to another personīs natal.
Aspects should be within 3 degrees. IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted June 22, 2010 06:30 PM
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DD
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posted June 22, 2010 06:31 PM
WOW; Vesta, I never looked at my own 13th harmonic before, but I cannot help but notice some strong aspects with a certain someone:my 13th Jupiter conjunct his natal Juno
my 13th Moon conjunct his natal Mars, Jupiter and Amor
my 13th Chiron conjunct his natal Neptune, Cupido and DNA
my 13th Pluto conjunct his natal Venus 
my 13th Venus conjunct his natal ASC
my 13th Sun conjunct his natal Lust
my 13th Amor conjunct his natal Sun, Moon and MC his 13th ASC conjunct my natal Moon
his 13th Pluto opposite my natal Venus
- we have a DW of Venus-Pluto°! 
his 13th Saturn opposite my natal Moon
his 13th Neptune opposite my natal Psyche
his 13th SN conjunct my natal Juno
his 13th Venus absolutely precisely conjuncts my natal ASC with an orb of 0.0! WHOA - and it is another DW with Venus
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal Mars
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal Neptune
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal NN
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal Lust
his 13th Moon conjunct my natal Neptune and NN
his exact Psyche-Amor conjunction in 13th is conjunct my natal Sun and Mercury
his 13th Eros conjunct my natal Karma
his 13th Valentine conjunct my natal Saturn
Interestingly my 13th Amor is conjunct his 13th Amor-Psyche-conjunction
What does this all mean?
Do you know how to interprete 13th harmonics?
EDIT:
Interestingly I was meditation on this someone on friday, and suddenly I was seeing three tarot cards just flopping out of an imaginary deck before my eyes - and I really saw them behind closed eyes.
The cards were:
The chariot
The lovers
and
Death, which ironically is the 13th card in tarot, isnīt it?
And then I suddenly saw two more cards "popping up";
those were
The Sun
and the Emperor
No idea waht that means, but it struck me that the Sun is the number 19, which is his birthday,
And the Moon, that I did not see though, has the number 18, which is my birthday,
and I suddenly remembered something about egyptian astrology.
the 18th december (my birthday) is the last day of OSIRIS
the 19th december (his birthday) is the first day of ISIS and his Draco ISIS is exact conjunct my Osiris, that is odd, isn`t it? IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted June 22, 2010 06:48 PM
I checked and the last two people I was with have Juno conjunct my ASC but not with very tight orb. IP: Logged |
vesta
Knowflake Posts: 583
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posted June 22, 2010 10:25 PM
DD, I checked my chart against Johnny , husband and George
My Juno conjunct Johnny NN and my desiderata opposition Johnny ASC
Johnny Juno and NN opp my natal moon
My husband Juno conjunct my SNGeorge Natal desiderata conjunct my natal IC
his 13th harmonic Jennifer and desiderata conjunct and direct opp my natal moon. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 23, 2010 12:37 PM
Vesta,I must admit that I was at first sceptical, especially regarding Desiderata, but these tight connections are astonishing. BTW how would you interprete aspects from 13th harmonic to natal?
I was especially intrigued by these aspects: my 13th Pluto conjunct his natal Venus
his 13th Pluto opposite my natal Venus my 13th Venus conjunct his natal ASC
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal ASC my 13th Amor conjunct his natal Sun and Moon
his 13th Amor and Psyche conjunct my natal Sun
my 13th Amor conjunct his 13th Amor and Psyche
his 13th Venus conjunct my natal Mars and in regard to the aspects you are investigating:
his 13th SN conjunct my natal Juno (and his 13th Desiderata exact squares my 13th NN)
But what does all that mean?
Are these significant?
How do we interprete them?
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DD
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posted June 23, 2010 01:15 PM
Some more couples:Banderas - Griffith
------------------ none of the mentioned
(But I only concentrated on the aspects with Sun, Moon, ASC, NN and Venus)
Pitt - Jolie
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his 13th Desiderata conjunct her natal Moon (and Mars)
(his 13th Desiderata sextile her natal Sun) her 13th Juno conjunct hsi natal Moon and Venus
(her 13th Desiderata sextile his natal Moon and Venus)
Cash - Carter
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his 13th Desiderata square her NN her 13th Juno conjunct his Venus
her 13th Desiderata trine hsi aSC exact
Mc Cartney - Eastman
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his 13th Juno square her Venus and ASC
his 13th Desiderata square her NN
Browning - Barrett-Browning
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her 13th Desiderata conjunct his SN
(her 13th Desiderata trine his Venus)
Tracey - Hepburn
----------------- (his 13th Juno sextile her natal Sun)
(his 13th Juno trine her NN) her 13th Desiderata square his ASC Hearst - Davies
--------------- his 13th Desiderata square her Mars her 13th Juno square hsi Mars
(her 13th Juno trine hsi Moon)
her 13th Desiderata conjuncts his DESC
Hmm, interesting.
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vesta
Knowflake Posts: 583
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posted June 23, 2010 05:26 PM
DD, to be honest I have no idea what it means but I think the tight conjunctions are fascinating.
Also another to add to that list as weird as it may seem is Tom cruise and katie Holmes his desiderata conjunct her moon. I think that since the 13th is finality that for them ( men) they feel she is the one. When it makes a tight aspect especially conjunction Juno the partner or desiderata the one they desire . If she hits both look out guys! That is just what I think. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 23, 2010 05:46 PM
Well, if that is true about the 13th being about finality (and so far I have no reason to doubt it), then it should work the other way round, too. But to be honest, as long as we don`t know how to interprete it, it doesn`t hold any practical value to me. But I agree, so far this seems significant. IP: Logged |
vesta
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posted June 23, 2010 06:18 PM
I wonder who feels the conection the most ?
The harmonic person or the natal person? Personally I believe it is the harmonic person but need more info. I also needed to add that I like the hard aspects better than the soft ones especially the conjunction and the opposition. IP: Logged |
DD
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posted June 23, 2010 06:24 PM
Personally I would agree with you. 
On the other hand we filter all experiences through the tropical, soo....Anyway if the 13th harmonic chart indicates finality in sense of "the one", then there should be tight conjunctions to tropical: Sun, Moon, ASC and NN present.
If we are talking about the one in a love relationship / romantic sense, these conjunctions obviously would be made by 13th harmonic:
Juno, Amor, Valentine, Eros or even DEsiderata and of course Venus. I guess soulmates would also have 13th harmonic Sun, Moon, ASC and NN as aprt of the aspect. Oh and of course each personīs 13th harmonic should be triggered that way; otherwise this feeling of "he/ she is IT" may not be mutual. IP: Logged |
vesta
Knowflake Posts: 583
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posted June 23, 2010 07:03 PM
Well,
I was looking at my synastry with a few people with Johnny I do feel the connection but my 13th desiderata conjunct his DSC and my 13th Juno are conjunt his NN.
however, with seone else I just discovered his synastry with mine I have never felt anything towards him however his natal ASC is conjunct my natal DSC within 1degree his natal Jennifer and desiderata are conjunct and opp my natal sun. In his Venus is direct opp my mars and more... The point is his 13thharmonic Juno is exact conjunct my natal NN. I don't think I would feel anything but it would be interesting to see what he would feel.
Then there is also George if I only knew him I could see how the aspects would effect him and myself. His
Jenny taylor is exact conjunct his natal 8th house cusp
his desiderata is conjunct my IC his natal lust is conjunct my ASC, moon conjunct his vertex ect...
The point is his Jennifer and desiderata are conjunct by 1 degree in his thirteenth harmonic and are opp my natal moon. I think it would be interesting to see how it would play out especially if it were me!
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