posted June 26, 2010 04:00 PM         

you mean this one?
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i77519

Read the bottom.... this is entirely a spoof!

posted June 26, 2010 04:08 PM         

BTW I once compared Jude`s chart to Lord Alfred Douglas` and to the one of the soldier he had been playing in "Enemy at the Gates" - in both cases the similiarities, especially including the Draconics, were crazy. Particularly the comparision with Bosie`s chart was mindboggling.

I then proceeded to compare another performer`s charts to Mozart`s (he played Mozart) and again, the similiarities were something.

So I thought maybe actors are drawn to roles (if of historical people) that somehow bear resemblance to their own? Especially if they become "famous" for their portrayal of that role`?

posted June 26, 2010 05:20 PM         

So he was a Sagittarius, too?

Anyway, I did this little comparision between Jude and Lord Alfred Douglas, and after seeing some of these aspects, I am not surprised anymore.

Jude`s planets first:

Moon conjunct Sun exact (in Libra)
ASC conjunct Spirit
NN conjunct SN
Pluto conjunct Moon
Pluto conjunct Aura
Spirit conjunct Angel
Aura opposite ASC
Aura opposite DNA

Dr Sun conjunct Dr DNA
DR Moon conjunct SN
Dr ASC conjunct MC exact
dr MC conjunct Saturn
DR IC conjunct Dr Moon
Dr IC conjunct Dr Aura
dr Venus opposite Mars exact
Dr Venus opposite Dr Spirit
Dr Saturn conjunct Mars
Dr Saturn conjunct Dr Spirit exact on Regulus
Dr Pluto opposite Dr MOon and Dr Aura
Dr Karma conjunct Karma
Dr Spirit opposite Dr Angel
Dr Aura conjunct Dr ASC
Dr Angel conjunct Dr Karma
Dr DNA opposite Saturn
Dr DNA conjunct Dr Moon and Dr Aura

Sun conjunct Dr Neptune exact
SN conjunct Dr Sun exact, pretty close to Sirius
Karma opposite Dr Moon exact
Karma opposite Dr Aura
Destinn opposite Dr Sun exact
Angel conjunct Dr Saturn exact

I know I am derailing my own thread.

posted June 27, 2010 05:29 AM         

Naturally I also looked at the asteroids, and if I only mention these aspects it is only because there are NO biggies between the main planets!

Sun sextile Transylvania exact
with Transylvania being exactly on ARCTURUS (which was at 15 Libra in his time)

Moon trine Venus exact

ASC trine Venus
ASC trine Karma
ASC conjunct Draconia
Draconia trine Karma
ASC is on Aldebaran
Interestingly Draconia is on the exact degree where Algol is TODAY (but it wasn`t there in his lifetime)

Aura trine Spirit
Aura widely opposing Draconia (3.3)
Aura sextile Saturn exacts
(Aura being in Scorpio)
Spirit sextile Saturn exact

Angel conjunct Neptune on Regulus - now, THAT was surprising!

Mars conjunct True Node
Mars quinkunx Pluto
NN quinkunx Pluto
- yeah, well, there is a Mars-Pluto-aspect, but a quinkunx? Hmm...

Orcus sextile Lucifer exact
Orcus trine Kaali
Orcus conjunct Drago (his name is derived from the Romanian word for Dragon, which is being synonymous in Romania for devil, at least it was during that period)

Kaali in Cancer opposite Pluto in Capricorn
- this one gave me the shivers, because, well his Kaali was on 7 Capricorn and Pluto on 9 Cancer; made me think of another not too far away time Pluto was in Cancer. Was a real dark time, historically speaking, too.
But anyway Kaali opposite Pluto?
Dreamy. *that was my sarcastic voice btw*
Kaali was exactly on Vega
Pluto was pretty near Sirius

So it seems he was having some fixed star action:
Transylvania on ARCTURUS
Angel and Neptune on REGULUS
Kaali on VEGA
Pluto on SIRIUS

posted June 27, 2010 05:35 AM         

the man, Stoker "modeled" his Dracula after was Vlad Tepes, prince of Romania from the 15th century.
He was called "the impaler" as he liked to impale people (enemies or just people who gave him a funny look, which noone would dare after a few weeks under his reign anyway) and keep their heads on sticks or hanging from trees, until they *became one with nature* again.
He was an extremely cruel, hard and sadistic man as it seems. There are several quotes and reports about him (of course I haven`t seen the original documents) and his reign of horror.
Of course it must be said that it was "custom" in the dark ages, especially in Eastern Europe, to punish enemies very hard, so noone would dare to even think of rebellion or resistance.
Anyway, even in that time he was noted for his cruelty.

Of course he was no vampire though.

He just represented the very very dark side of the human race.
Oh and it seems that his first wife, who committed suicide, was really called Elisabeta, like Stoker wrote in his novel.

But there certainly was nothing very seductive or appealing about "Dracul" (which as I pointed out means dragon or devil in Romanian of that time, and was his family-name).

posted June 27, 2010 06:25 AM         

Sun sextile Drago exact
Sun sextile Karma exact
Sun quinkunx Uranus exact
Drago trine Karma exact
Uranus quinkunx Drago exact
Uranus square Karma exact
Drago trine Karma exact
(exact means the aspects are under one degree)

Moon conjunct ASC (4 degrees)
ASC conjunct DNA (his ASC is exact on SIRIUS, DNA is 2 degrees off Sirius)
DNA square Transylvania

Aura conjunct Venus

Spirit square Draconia
Spirit widely conjunct Drago (3.2)

Venus opposite Uranus
Venus quinkunx Mars
Mars opposite Drago
(Mars semisextile Uranus)
(Venus semisextile Drago)
(Mars trine Sun and Venus semisextile Sun)

Orcus conjunct Lucifer
Orcus square Pluto exact (orb: 0.0)
Orcus quinkunx Neptune exact (orb: 0.0)
Orcus trine Saturn
Lucifer square Pluto
Lucifer quinkunx Neptune

Kaali trine Pluto
Kaali opposite Neptune

ASC and DNA on Sirius
(Draconia opposing Spica / Arcturus)
DESC on Vega
Venus on Bellatrix
Aura on Rigel (hey, his Aura is on my Karma. lol)

posted June 27, 2010 06:36 AM         

They both have planets / asteroids / angles on Sirius and Vega.

Vlad has Kaali on Vega, and Rob has DESC on Vega.
Vlad has Pluto near Sirius, Rob has ASC exact on Sirius, and DNA pretty close by.

other similiarities include:

Vlad: Orcus sextile Lucifer exact
Rob: Orcus conjunct Lucifer by one degree

Vlad: Kaali opposite Pluto (Kaali in Cap, Pluto in Cancer)
Rob: Kaali trine Pluto (Kaali in Cancer, Pluto in Scorpio)

Vlad: ASC, Draconia and Orcus in Taurus
Rob: Sun in Taurus

Vlad: DNA and Pluto in Cancer
Rob: ASC and DNA and Spirit and Moon and Kaali in Cancer

Vlad: Spirit in Pises
Rob: Karma in Pisces (actually they are conjunct by 0.0)

Vlad: Transylvania in Libra
Rob: Transylvania in Libra (very widely conjunct by 5 degrees)

posted June 27, 2010 06:59 AM         

Robī`s planets first:

Sun opposing Aura
Moon opposing Kaali (3)
Moon conjunct Pluto exactly
ASC widely conjunct DNA (4)
DNA conjunct Pluto (3)
Spirit opposes Saturn and Karma

Mars opposes DNA
Mars conjunct Saturn (3)
(Orcus squares Orcus exact)
Draconia conjunct Uranus
Drago conjunct DNA (3)
Drago opposes Saturn
(Lucifer squares Orcus exact)
Neptune conjunct Kaali
Karma conjunct Spirit exact on 22.0 Pisces
Chiron opposes Sun

including the Draco`s:

Sun opposes Dr Moon (Taurus - Scorpio: the "vampiric axis" :eek

Moon opposes Dr Aura
DESC conjunct Dr Aura
ASC conjunct Dr Draconia
DNA opposes Dr Aura exact
DNA conjunct Dr Draconia (3)
Angel conjunct Dr Transylvania

Mars conjunct Dr DESC exact
Uranus opposes Dr Orcus

Orcus opposes Dr Sun
Draconia conjunct Dr Lucifer
Drago conjunct Dr ASC (3)
Lucifer oposes Dr Sun exact
Transylvania conjunct Dr Angel
Saturn conjunct Dr Transylvania (3)
Karma conjunct Dr Venus
Chiron conjunct Dr Uranus

Dr Sun conjunct Dr Lucifer exact
Dr Sun conjunct Dr Drago[/b)
Dr DESC conjunct Sun exact
Dr ASC conjunct Dr Uranus exact
Dr DNA opposes Sun
Dr DNA conjunct Dr Uranus
Dr Spirit conjunct Dr Orcus
Dr Angel opposite Dr Chiron (0.0)

Dr Uranus conjunct Dr Moon on 21 Scorpio
Dr Orcus opposes Kaali
Dr Drakonia conjunct Spirit
Dr Drago conjunct Dr Orcus
Dr Lucifer opposes Kaali
Dr Transylvania opposes Chiron
Dr Transylvania opposes Dr Saturn exact
Dr Kaali opposes Dr Transylvania
[b]Dr Pluto conjunct Moon
Dr Neptune conjunct Dr Transylvania
Dr Saturn opposes Orcus
Dr Karma opposes Angel
DR Chiron conjunct Dr Spirit

I just had the idea to look up asteroid ACTOR, and hey, Rob`s Actor is conjunct mine! lol

Anyway

ACTOR:
conjuncts Vlad`s Orcus exactly

posted June 27, 2010 07:04 AM         

Anyway, yes, I read that, too, that he was part of this society. And yes he was an autocrator, as to if it was "just" his job, I would need to gather more information from more reliable sources.
The sources I read seemed to agree that he was doing "more" than just his job, but those were dark, cruel times where a human life (or any life for that matter) didn`t count at all.
It`s a bit problematic to come to an opinion now, as we are living in such different times. Actually we can`t judge them by our standards.
That means we have to rely on contemporarie`s sources and material, BUT of course any of them had their own agenda, too.
So it is a bit difficult.

posted June 27, 2010 07:09 AM         

one time when i was younger,i was reading an encyclopedia..about History.i reached the part of Vlad and i couldn't read more than the 1st page...it really got me sick.i remember that for nights i couldn't sleep either,with just horror acts.

posted June 27, 2010 07:26 AM         

Anyway, it did surprise me, too, that he had Angel conjunct Neptune on Regulus and some "softer" aspects.

And also the fact that his ASC is where ALGOL is NOW, well, I had the thought suddenly: Are we really being fed the truth?

Or maybe this birthdate is just wrong. lol

On the other hand Pluto opposing Kaali does seem to make sense.

posted June 27, 2010 07:31 AM         

http://www.neptunecafe.com/dracula.html

Using that chart, we get this image:

posted June 27, 2010 07:47 AM         

Regulus is near his karma/jup conjunction

how could he have thta and be so cruel?

DNA ON Spinkx!& angel in sirius...

lucifer cj drago makes sense though..

posted June 27, 2010 09:04 AM         

It seems like a surprising positive and SUNNY placement for a bloodsucker though (the ASC I mean). lol

ASC is on the Sabian:
A Chemist Conducts An Experiment For His Students

The Sabian of Karma and Jupiter is:
In A Portrait, The Significant Features Of A Man's Head Are Artistically Emphasized

lol didn`t some portraits play a role in the novel, too? Mina`s and I think, at least in the film, there was a portrait of Dracula hanging in the castle (when he still was old)

This Karma-Jupiter trines Venus on the MC:
Could that show the importance of women in that myth?
On the one hand the allure he might pose to them? On the other hand representing the women in this novel? Women who are torn between earthy, security-oriented lifestyle (Venus in Taurus) and a more sexualized, active expression (Venus is retograding into Aries again).
Dracula was a very karmic story, so could it describe how a female would be able to help him karmically?

SAbian is:
A Clear Mountain Stream
There seems to be a clear, simple, natural vibe to them, or at least to love as a principle.

Karma-Jupiter squares Mercury in Gemini: there seems to be a real threat to the intellect or a heavy conflict. This myth is not about conscious analysis and detached and flitting from one to the other.

Sun the ruler of the whole chart is VERY tensed aspected.
Placed on 27 Taurus on Algol, but the Sabian is promising:
A Woman, Past Her "Change Of Life", Experiences A New Love

In this case it is not a woman, but he is the one searching for the (reincarnated) love of his life.
And of course encountering him means for Lucy and Mina having their lives split into two parts. A complete transformation for both of them. Okay, for Lucy this means death, but it is a transformation after all.

This Sun opposes Saturn and Uranus (which are exact on my own Valentine btw).
The King Of The Fairies Approaching His Domain

Again the mentioning of royalty and posessiveness, this time in a more "fantastical" sense.
It also represents the struggle between the old and the new. Since it is in Scorpio it is a fight on life and death.
It actually widely squares the Karma-Jupiter-conjunction. The karmic release and reward comes to a great prize.

Moon as the ruler of 12th house is in Sagittarius on the GC. Hmm interesting.
Probably describes how much energy this myth can focus, how much attention it catches.
Moon ruling the 12n house has to do with the subconscious urges, here it is in 5th house, so it is the unconscious influencing the "love-style" immensely. In Sagittarius it may mean a need to expand ones emotional horizon.
Moon seems to be pretty isolated though. NOt easy to come into touch with the emotional, maternal, nurturing side in this myth.
Actually it seems to be true. If you have seen the film or read the book, you will know that there are only men surrounding the young women. No maternal figure to act as a role model for Mina or Lucy. Just some female servants. But the mother-principle is seriously underrepresented.

If we consider Saturn being representative of the father principle, it is in much conflict here. In Scorpio it is relentless and unforgiving and what people sometimes forget to tell Scorpio can be VERY rigid.
The father here fights with the man (opposing Sun) and also with all things that could resemble a new way of doing things or a reformation of the old ways (Saturn conjunct Uranus). Uranus rules the DESC, so the father actually fights and tries to stifle any kind of relationships other than family-like ones (meaning: a-sexual).
Since the father-principle is in Scorpio, the sexual undertow may be very strong, but very suppressed (the father figures do not have wives) and thus in turn tries to suppresses these in everyone else.

But this all seems too positive for Dracula, even though all of this may be in the novel, he STILL is being portayed as a dangerous man. But what is the danger about (in the novel)?
He can turn into a wolf, into an animal. I think most of the fear he evoked in that novel has to do with his animalistic side, that in the Victorian age was known, but widely suppressed.

Anyway Lucifer conjunct Drago exact and opposing Transylvania and squaring DNA does not bode well.
it seems to point to the heritage of this "model".
Kaali also squares Drakonia exact.
And probably it is completely coincidental that this Kaali is on the exact degree of yesterday`s lunar ecclipse.
Sabian is:
At A Railroad Crossing, An Automobile is Wrecked By A Train

A very destructive Sabian. Kaali can be about destruction, too. So there is a potential very destructive theme here, too. Well, no surprise.

Angel on Sirius - I donīt know what to think of this. Was that book "channelled" or did it channel some things in a way?
Well it probably did regarding psychological mechanisms.

Mars on a critical degree squares Venus exact. Must be a sign of the overemphasised sexualism as well as the conflicts coming from it.
Sabian of Mars is:
A Daughter of The American Revolution

I guess this is a bit about a sexual revolution. lol
This Mars actually releases some of the tension of the Sun-Saturn-Uranus-opposition.
But it sits in the 12th house of the subconscious.
This sexual dynamic rises from deeply hidden places within.

True Node squares Chiron - I guess that has to do with the wounding and pain on the one hand and on teh "maverick" quality on the other hand that is not well received.

BTW I thought it was interesting that Rob`s Kaali is conjunct this chart`s Kaali. (somehow Kaali seems to mingle in EVERYWHERE)

And that his ASC and DNA are conjunct this chart`s Angel on Sirius.
Also his Sun widely conjuncts this chart`s Sun.
His Actor exactly conjuncts its Spirit.

Neat. lol