posted June 29, 2010 08:14 PM         

it is a matter of trust really.we have our suns square each other+s neptune.

i cold go on but,i would love to know what do you see just by looking at the chart.

As im parcial i dont really want to jump into conclusions,although i know certain aspects there do hint torwards specific behaviour that contributes to the lac of trust.

As it is someone that i cannot fully distance myself from,i would like to know what is the best way to deal with this person,without being "intoxicated".

i tried the approach of not to respond,not to react to egoic patterns but it didn't worked.

I tried to see him from a "mirror perspective" and see if this "incompatibility" might be derived from something in me,that i see in this person,and dont want to acknowledge it consciously ( a Pschichological approach),s po hence my disgust to the way this person is in life.

didnt worked.

lately i decided that i would be more assertive,courageously facing his lack of morals/ethnics,in specific situations,even if this originates some discomfort in his family,myself and my bf.( a thing that I,lIbra asc abominate..).

but truly,i tried even the Hoponoponno but there is something here that i still dont trust,and nothing works for me to feel the distance i need,in order not to be...intoxicated everytime this person is near by.

So.does his chart show this "low vibe" of his?this power to suck your energy so hugely that you actually sometimes feel sick just to be there?

or is it just the way my chart interacts with his?

posted June 29, 2010 08:22 PM         

his pluto/mars/mc cj my asc
his uranus cj my sat/Pluto
his neptune cj my jup/uranus
his LUCIFER cj my Moon
His karma cj my node & hi snn trine my karma!!DAWM!!!!! DONT WANT THIS WEIGHT ON ME..

posted June 30, 2010 09:11 AM         

DRACONICS

I Supose that you´re thinking that something bad happened to me or my family,due to this person...hence my disgusting for something in him?

...John told me one day that his brother has a good heart but sometimes shows a darker part of him where his heart is very dark and cold.

posted June 30, 2010 09:40 AM         

his Sun square my isis
his moon opose my ptah
his MARS square my ISIS/DEJANIRA/MC!
his PLUTO squaes my DEJANIRA/MC..WHY iim not surprised...

his mars/Pluto trine my lucifer/kiron
his staurn kikx my siva

his nn square my hathor and kikx Ptah
his osiris kikx isis and square venus
his dejanira cj MY IC,kikx sun,square my dejanira

his hator squares my saturn/pluto/juno

his LUCIFER wide square my SIVA opose izxion
his NESSUS square merc,kikx LUCCIFER,semisquare karma and sesQ siva/ixzion

his KARMA sesq LUCIFER/KAALI/ANUBIS
his karma kikx my IXION

his ANUBIS Sesq my karma - DW!
and also semisquare my Ixion /siva

his IXIon square tight my NESSUS and wide myLUCIFER/KARMA

his asc semis my saturn/lucifer

theres a lot of hard aspects here between the dark archetypes...

DRACONIC

HIS kiron cj my anubis/pluto/kaali/saturn. THIS ONE FOR ITSELF MUST SAY IT ALL...

MY draco NEPTUNE ( WHICH CJ MY NATAL ASC) cj his draco KARMA/KALLI/dSC...no surprise isnt it

my D.IC cj his draco NESSUS....keeps getting better

his kiron squares my lucifer and kikx kiron
his lucifer opose my kiron..again DW!

his nessus kikx nessus and square my ASC
his KAALI cj my SN---go figure...

his ANUBIS semiq my moon,trine kaali and squares my ASC

his IXION sq my nessus/karma/siva

his asc semis my Nessus-adnother DW!

GOSH.....

his sun square my Dejanira
his sesq my sun_/uranus
his venus/jup squares my NN
his saturn square my Pluto
his uranus kikx my asc/jup_/urans
his nept square my hathor
his PLuto kiks my HATHOR...
his kiron kik kiron,oposes juno and square Sekmeth the God of destruction

posted July 01, 2010 12:14 AM         

So what I'm reading is just that he has some negative psychic energy that drains you. Have you tried any psychic protection remedies/safeguards? Judy Hall is an astrologer and she wrote a text actually on this subject with many practical exercises.

Some things pop out to me,

-His chart looks very wound up with these 2 aspect clusters,
*Moon conj Merc sq Saturn
*Venus opp Jupiter sq Node/Asc/Neptune

-H7 contains Saturn, H7 ruled by Mercury in Libra conj Moon in H10 and then that conj is sq Saturn. This in itself, Moon sq Saturn, can be a marker for selfish thoughts/actions as it were. Moon conj Mercury is quite subjective, squaring H7 Saturn there can be a limited mental and emotional mindset, that at once is given a lot of importance (H10 conj) as well as a possible restricted manner of expression when dealing with others (H7). It's something that's internal for him and would be very difficult for anyone but himself to change as it were, not that it can't happen. It could also point to dogmatic beliefs about the family (saturn cancer). On the positive it can show a lot of focus in career matters, esp ones that pertain to building a solid relationship/having influence over the public. So there's a lot of fear there for him and maybe some strong convictions that he uses to mask what he's going through. Moon sq Saturn can set up situations unconsciously that would end up with their being rejected, they do this to affirm negative self belief, this could be an addtl factor.

-Notice dispositors as well:
*Mutual reception Mercury Libra & Venus Virgo
*Mutual reception Jupiter Pisces & Neptune Sagittarius
*Moon/Merc in Libra ruled by Venus Virgo
*Saturn Cancer ruled by Moon Libra
*NN Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter Pisces
*SN Gemini ruled by Mercury Libra
So you see that the aspects mentioned above aren't there by accident, they're themes tightly woven in the chart shown also by dispositors, NN involvement, and also by placement in angular houses, or conj their cusps.

-The other aspect cluster is Venus 9th opp Jupiter 3rd, sq Asc Nodes Neptune.
This could be where he may feel he's given a license to dream up the impossible and implement reality or non-reality as he chooses. He's also met with self-delusion in the negative at times, but it could also turn to visions of grandeur.
The biggie is Jupiter as it rules Neptune NN and Asc. It's in pisces H3. Jupiter in Pisces is quite strong, so it's not as if it's in Capricorn or a more stable sign for instance to try to give this drive some structure. It's very free-flowing energy, and in H3 it is a very strong component of his mental state.
The other factor for his mental state is the Mercury that we touched on earlier. That Mercury is more steeped into reality than he'd like, on one hand that one wants to have fair play as it's in Libra, but if not seeing fair play can be grossly bent on switching the playing field back into whatever he deems is appropriate (Libra can go to extremes in shadow form). And it's square Saturn, which could cause rigid implementation of what he wants to see realized. And it's in H10. So that part of his mentality is only too clear to him.
The Jupiter part of his mentality takes more liberty with inventing reality as it were, to whatever he'd like. Venus opposed Jupiter can go overboard in what they promise to others, and can also get lazy in expecting the good things to keep coming to them. It does tend to be an aspect of a spoiled person. So you have this opposition also tied to his Moon/Merc in Libra, which rules Venus.
Neptune in h12 can be hard to get a grasp on, as it's the planet of undoing in the house of undoing. Squaring Jupiter opposed Venus he is creating his own dismantling as it were.
Venus and Jupiter square the nodal axis (Jupiter being NN ruler) can also point to excess which is getting in the way of personal accomplishment and ultimate goal.
Ideally with NN ruler being in H3 in Pisces there would be a lively imagination used for the positive, he could channel it into creative writing (don't forget venus is in virgo h9), positive acts in the community related perhaps to ministry or maybe starting a non-profit agengy of some sort in his town, perhaps with a group of benefactors who are interested in seeing the same changes coming about (that venus jupiter opposition again working this time in positive manifestation, it attracts wealth and influence of others for the benefit of others).

Never mind the squares he does have a lot of positive potential, the only thing is his "thinking" that goes on behind the scenes, is he using it for selfish purposes or the bigger picture? If for selfish purposes that neptune h12 will rear it's ugly side somewhere along the line, if not already, and he will feel stuck in some sort of chaos that is out of his control. Or, he could channel the determination of Moon/Merc/Saturn with the gifts of Venus/Jupiter/NN etc. and use it as a positive channel. It's completely up to him. The problem is if he's not using it positively, he has a strong tendency to careen out of control, and to someone with Pluto on Mc, and Moon sq Saturn, and Saturn h7, that is a very scary possibility.

Diandra (!)
"his pluto/mars/mc cj my asc"
This could definitely point to a huge drain on your reserves. Really. I urge the psychic protection.

posted July 01, 2010 08:15 AM         

WOW! you worked really hard on this.thank you for your effort and vision!

yeah the one of DW of sun/neptune i already saw as a factor very important and crucial for the lack of trust really.

i havent really tried any protection really.ive been into LOA lately and there is one medium friend of my mother that said that i have good protection,from higher Sources( dont ask me how...) so i never did anything ...but im gonna research about Judy hall.

thanks for the tip.

so in a way it will be difficult for him to change this behaviour pattern,due to the merc H10cj & moon cj merc,sq saturn?...

well surely doesnt mean focus on career,cause he doesnt like to work...he has been more off work & unemployment than employeed...

he´s not someone that likes rejection like everybody else,but to me,i think that he arranjes situations to be rejected / job interviews foe example..he does it over and over,and just arranjes wrk when he sees no other way to get money.

that is one og the things that makes him selfish-he is more prone to be asking money from parents and my bf,thatn to work to have his own things...which he does quite frequently.

that is where i dont get his moon placement..shows wounds but his parents,specially the Mother is always giving him all the things he wants,to the point of prefering this brother,in detriment of my bf.

it was always like this to the point that his man is really childish.like a little child that gets moody when things arent his way.

i dont know where this comes from,from looking at his chart.

that description of venus/jup sk nodes nep is pretty accurate allright:

he dreams that the world and others must be at his disposal,and the pride and grandiosity factor is HUGE in him.

laziness int he way he expects things to come his way without work...yes!

well i dont htink he would use neptune for good.he doesnt like to give things without getting something in return..not the generous type.

unless he changes....of course.

well..what do you mean specifically with the "scary possibility?"

cause in one other,i usually describe him as selfish.not any positive side to it..at least sine i know him for 4 years he never revealed the willing to change.

im doing the rejection part as if he didnt exist-like not take personal the things he does or says?things like that...

posted July 01, 2010 01:52 PM         

vig

wow how disd you knew i was going theere tomorrow?

thankx i must search for it as im not sure if its one on IQ´s mails sent to me awhile back.

posted July 02, 2010 01:49 AM         

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posted July 02, 2010 07:44 AM         

thankx im going to see if this book exists here in my country.

for now,and as i am going to pass the weekend with my bf,and having to meet the person,i did the meditation of the violet tethraedron protection that I had of IQ.( thank you for that remembrance VIG!)

feeling protected now and strong

i like the way you look at charts cause you see both the possibility of good and bad.

for now,i´ll stuck with keeping myself protected and not taking things personal.whatever comes from him.

DD has told me,wisely,that his behaviour steems from past lifes too,and not only my bf has something there to work with him but also myself.

in the end...it always has to do with forgiveness....which is much difficult when we see things from our own perspective only...im trying to resolve all things with no anger,frustration or negative feelings..whcih is what i usually feel when im around him or when we hurts my Johnnhy.

it is hard really.but i know that someday i´ll have to acknowledge what might have happened,cut the clutter and move on with love and joy.

till then...i´ll be doing my things,living my life and aiming to live our love,close and happy together,without exterior interferances.

posted July 02, 2010 08:35 AM         

i know what you´re saying. in a way we could not change anyone.it is their choice if they want it or not.

i was just trying to know more of his patterns and with that,be able to deal better with it,for my best sake.and of my relationship.

i focus on what is best for me and the ones i love,so therefore i always try to deal with exterior circumstances and people,the best way so that they cannot have power over us.

in the end,it is also our choice.wether to give that power over them or not.

now here comes my Libra balace of argumentation

by what ive been learning,seems that by changing ourselves,we immediately produce a change around us:in the surroundings,in other people and in the way they interact with us.

so by that,it means that we can effectively change the other,cause the others are a reflexion of ourselves,they are our mirrors.So...if we change the part in us,that created the part in the other that causes us pain/discomfort/...we will surely heal the suffering,the negative things in someway.

that is why i try the Hoponopono techniqye,on whcih we say " i love you","im sorry" , "please forgive me" to the other person,in meditation,and then ask for all memories to be released,neutralized and substituted by love/light/forgiveness.

we are not healing the other,but the part in us that created the facet in the other.

What i also can do is not developing and feeding the negative feelings torward him,and just focus on things like happiness,joy,the things that are a blessing in my Life.

posted July 05, 2010 10:43 AM         

i arrived from the weekend,did the protection exercise and guess what?

the person didn't even appeared in front of me called Saturday morning,while i was there,and my bf said he wanted to pass the day with me,romantic wise.

i never saw him the whole 3 days!

posted July 05, 2010 10:55 AM         

Isn´t it amazing, how well this works?

And how was the romance?

posted July 05, 2010 12:30 PM         

i really thought i could have done it not quite well...but seems that i did it!

it went terrifically nice! we spent one whole day just appreciating the sun,the weather and the beach.just the two of us.

the next day,we were with his parents,nice people.it was a great day too! and John was particularly sweet.

posted July 05, 2010 01:50 PM         

If you have to deal with this individual - try and minimize the amount of time you spend around this person. Remove any subjective or personal inclinations towards the person and connect to your higher self.

I have somebody in my family that strongly hates me and trys to make things a living hell when I go visit my mom. I had issues with this person and I have learned to distance myself and not care much on what he says of does....

I saw a quote somewhere that said "Those who mind, doesn't matter and those who don't mind, matter!"

posted July 05, 2010 02:35 PM         

thank you.your intuition is very strong and well connected to you.

indeed that is waht im doing currently.both try to spend the minimum time with tthe person and not take to personal side whatever he does,says or thinks about me or my relationship.

it is indeed right that quote because others only have power over us if we let them have.

By not giving importance to things we know arent true for us,we imediatly get focused ont hings ( and people) that really matter.

by not feeding their egos,it is the way to deal better not only with them but to ourselves too.