posted July 01, 2010 01:17 AM            

I have read that it effects you as:
Most often this manifests in an independent, backward,
introverted manner.

Im not sure I understand how it effects you.. I have also read the Rx planets show Karma .. Or debits...

posted July 01, 2010 02:02 AM            

i have a Jupiter Aqua rx and it's also a singleton and the apex of a fixed t-square...my jupiter manifests as being *very* private about my spiritual life and being extremely nonconformist in those views (which is also very aqua). My optimism is contagious because it's at the very top of my chart and also on center-stage of the t-square, but it is also abhorring of being defined in any way. I have a huge thing about keeping my spiritual life as private as possible. I think this is part of the rx - despite my jupiter being SOOOO pronounced, it's rx makes a demand on keeping anything jupiter-related private. i think a lot of the time rx planets will be very much about a set of privacy.
they've also been called late bloomers since there's all this internal turmoil going on about how to define the manifestation of the planet to integrate it into the personality.
there's a natural reserve to it so that it comes off as subdued at times, or in extreme cases, muted.

posted July 01, 2010 04:30 AM            

"MERCURY RETROGRADE

When Mercury is retrograde, the thought processes are introspective, deliberate and internalized. Before any personal matter can be discussed, it must be processed internally.

This means that, if you want to discuss a personal matter with a Mercury Retrograde friend, you must tell them what you want to discuss and set up an appointment to discuss it. If you want an immediate answer, you will not get an honest or well though out answer. They need time to brood and ponder.

Because these people need to digest and process first, they are slow to defend themselves and slow to respond to queries of a personal nature unless they are prepared ahead of time.

They appreciate a slow reaction in another.

They can easily discuss non-personal subjects, their own interests and expertise, without introspection. This has already been done in the past.

On personal subjects, they may not know immediately how they feel about something – they need that brood and ponder time.

Perception is quite good because they are sensitive to how they feel about things; the perceptions are highly individualized.

They prefer a Reflective Analysis. In intellectual matters, they are rarely superficial but they tend to analyze, re-analyze, reflect and then apply internally.

There is a perfectionistic side so they can talk in absolutes – using terms such as “always” and “never.”

Many Mercury retrograde people feel that they had no one to talk to as a child.

The thoughts and mental activity became internalized and highly subjective. They may be prone to day dream. Some may be so absorbed in their own internalized thoughts that they seem absent-minded and unaware of external activities. This is especially true if Mercury is retrograde in the cadent (3, 6, 9, 12) Houses. And, especially if aspecting Neptune, a planet that can go off into its own world and lose track of time.

Afflictions in Houses 3-6-12 can cause learning disabilities – Dyslexia, ADLD (Attention Deficit Learning Disorder). One child was later discovered to be deaf in one ear and tried to compensate by listening a lot."

I have Merc retro in the 3rd house quincunx Neptune. This is all true for me... I even had a problem in school like it describes.

"JUPITER RETROGRADE

Some retrogrades are not bad at all and this is one of them. When Jupiter is Direct, there is a greater attunement to external appearances. The energy and appearance is more popular and acceptable.

When Jupiter is Retrograde, if you strive for material accomplishment and this is your main goal, you will find that these material things come up short; the more material/external your accomplishments, the more you will come to feel dissatisfied with your life.

There may be a great questing and seeking but, until they look inside, they will never find what they feel they are looking for.

There inner faith has some doubts or holes on it. This is why they are always searching for something that would give meaning to their lives – what they seek is anything that is philosophically uplifting.

I have a Direct Jupiter so I am always acquiring knowledge and information. If my Jupiter were Retrograde, I would need something that is more enriching internally.

Jupiter R often has an eye for quality because they are able to look beyond the externals. I tell my students that, where you find Jupiter R, this is where the individual has the ability to restore to life things that are considered dead or dying.

Jupiter rules playing a role in order to gain approval. Jupiter R does not want to play this role with anyone. When Jupiter is R and afflicted, one individual stated that, in her family, you were only loved because you looked good, because you made a good appearance, and you were socially acceptable in everything that you said or did. Playing that role depleted the energies for the Jupiter R person. Playing a role is performing and not being real.

Jupiter R in Houses 2-6-8 have a natural healing ability but they do not always work directly in areas of physical healing. The Earth signs and Scorpio have the natural healing abilities. This includes animals, nature, and even objects (renovation and repair, especially with antiques, in the 2nd and 4th Houses). The natural ability to restore things to life.

Jupiter retrograde in the 1st identifies very strongly with anything spiritual, philosophical or expansive on inner levels. This could restrict the individual financially since the material side of the career or life activity is not appealing and not a primary focus. They could actually neglect the physical because they live so strongly in the philosophical realms. They should avoid excessive involvement in theoretical concepts. Rob Hand has Jupiter in Cancer R here! He loves ancient philosophies and systems that actually may not be practical.

Jupiter R in Sagittarius in the 1st House – One friend confided that she sometimes feels manic/depressive because her family life, her life as she is living it, does not connect with her need for spiritual values that she can practice in her daily life.

Jupiter R in the 3rd and 4th Houses have an ability and willingness to go back and make a connection/relationship work. Example: One individual put a lot of energy into getting people in her family to get along with each other.

Jupiter R will always try to go back and try to re-connect.

They possess skills in renovations, restoring homes and buildings – they have a natural ability to want to revive/restore that building, to bring it back to life!

Jupiter in the 5th – I have seen them try to work out a relationship with a child, always trying to re-connect. In romance, they will put that extra energy into reviving that relationship in some way…making the re-connection.

Jupiter in the 7th wants a partner who brings philosophically uplifting growth into the married life. When the relationship is failing, they have an ability to revive the relationship. There can be a broken engagement. They possess skills in marriage counseling, helping couples get back together.

GEISLER: For instance, a Jup R in Cancer ruling 7— husbands ‘foreign’ to one’s own experience, in some way and not the good providers one would expect from a dignified Jupiter. There would be a problem with the home, either too large, wrong place or the individual would be forced to move often. Ditto family—too far away, or something

Jupiter in the 9th often does not really know what they believe in so they are always seeking and searching. They can get hooked on a religion or philosophy and then realize that it goes not give them all the answers they desire. Lots of doubts in their faith, especially when the life become difficult.

They often go back and re-educate themselves at a higher level. One individual did not finish high school.

posted July 01, 2010 01:58 PM            

That's definitely coming from a neurotypical perspective.

Learning disabilities could be learning styles that are mismatch for the mainstream schools that are mainly auditory sequential learning environments ,factory working-based grading system since the late 1700's when Cambridge tutor William Farish came up with the school grading system with the lecture teaching that came with it.

It would be different if most schools were a multisensory learning environment (auditory,visual, tactile/kinesthetic), teachers adapting to the students' learning style, and nurturing independent minds.
Montessori and Waldorf education involves those things.

Since learning and understanding about neurodiversity, I no longer refer to myself as having learning disability.

Another thing, learning disability means something differently in the United Kingdom.
In the United Kingdom, Learning disability refers to intellectually handicap.
In the United States, learning disability refers to neurological processing differences that make learning in a mainstream school challenging and have nothing to do with intellectually handicap. They have average to above average intelligence.

Neurodivergents have significant strengths and not just significant
weaknesses.

Here are some examples.

Positive aspects of Aspergers:

* Intense concentration on studying
* Independence
* An affinity with computers and other technology
* Good formal essay writing
* Attention to detail and precision
* Original ideas
* Reliable meeting of deadlines. http://brainhe.com/students/types/aspergersstudents.html#strengths

Positive aspects of Dyspraxia

* Creativity
* Determination
* Motivation
* Strategic thinking
* Problem-solving http://brainhe.com/students/types/dyspraxia.html

Positive aspects of Dyslexia

* Creativity
* 3 dimensional thinking
* Seeing the 'whole picture'
* Pictorial thinking
* Divergent thinking
* Problem solving
* Making unexpected connections http://brainhe.com/students/types/dyslexia.html

Positive aspects of ADHD
(BTW......instead of Attention Deficit Hyperactivity
Disorder.........I think it should be called Attention Divergent
Hyperactivity Difference.........that's my neurodivergent perspective
of it)

* Ability to see the ‘big picture’
* Being creative and inventive
* Ability to focus intensely for a time
* High levels of energy
* Risk-taking can lead to discoveries
* Being intuitive http://brainhe.com/students/types/ADHDstaff.html

Here is neurodivergence from the neurodivergent perspective:
http ://groups.google.com/group/alt.astrology/browse_thread/thread/fde8b6b297d8948f/2b2e268a02601b92?q=neurodivergence+from+the+neurodivergent+perspective#2b2e268a02601b92

Why are hard aspects referred to as afflictions?

In Cosmobiology and Uranian Astrology, hard aspects are the main focus. They are viewed as event-oriented aspects. They include the semisquare and sesquiquadrate. They focus very little on the soft aspects unless they are part of aspect patterns like grand trine,minor grand trine,yod,etc.

T-squares are very common in successful people.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 01, 2010 02:26 PM            

Maybe I'm neurodivergent? I DO know my thought patterns are not like anyone else's. I was pretty shy and quiet when I was a kid. Maybe I have a little bit of autism? Maybe that's why I feel socially retarded (i mean that term in the way it is meant to be used, not a jokey haha way) and unable to express to connect?
I actually have a very high IQ, maybe that's cos I'm neurodivergent and think and map things out in different ways?

posted July 01, 2010 02:36 PM            

lechien, I have this experience too! When Mercury is retrograde in transit it's like I come out on top while everyone else is frustrated about their affairs.

Glaucus, long time no see. I agree with you about the neurological disorders. I have a friend who teaches at a Waldorf school, and before I even saw her chart I had the sense that she was a fellow Mercury Rx... and she is! In Virgo, square direct Mars/Uranus and trine Rx Jupiter/Neptune. She can be a very powerful speaker... and she speaks VERY slowly... but forcefully, like you'd expect from an "elder" even though she is in her 20s.

Another person told me he wrote naturally with his left hand, and this was frowned upon in school and he was forced to write with his right hand. The result is that he can write with both fluently... and when he write with his left it is MIRRORED. It's very trippy. He is a Private Detective. I guessed he also had a Mercury Rx from this story.. and again, he does! This one in Aries, conjunct Venus, square Mars/Saturn/IC, opposite Moon/Neptune conjunction. His chart is fun to look at in general.

Mercury Rx people have very interesting lives, it seems.

posted July 01, 2010 02:49 PM            

He didn't go to high school,and so his education was limited. He was in the marines for a short amount of time. He mainly did labor jobs his whole life including butcher,working in lumber yard, and warehouses.

He was a lifelong alcoholic and his life ended ended in suicide.

He and I shared Moon in Pisces,retrograde Saturn oppose Neptune, and Jupiter-Midheaven/Imum Coeli aspect in common.

He and I also shared transnepunian aspects in common. He and I both were born with transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea-Ascendant/Descendant aspect under 3 degree orb and Sun-Ixion aspect under 1 degree orb.

Like me, he was very strong in transneptunian energy.

His Sun and Mercury in 8th house had affinity with my Sun and Mercury in Scorpio.
He also had Sun parallel Pluto which added to the theme of his Sun in 8th.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 01, 2010 03:26 PM            

also
contraparallel Mercury-Venus-Neptune

in Right Ascension:
square Mars
8th harmonic configuration with Eris conjunct Moon/Saturn midpoint

I am a very serious,reserved person. Discipline and structure have been a big part of my life.
Both my mother and stepfather were strict, and there was a lot of discipline and structure that I had which I found unbearable and would rebel against. I mainly rebelled with my mouth (rebuttal,retort,talking back, "getting smart) which led more discipline and restrictions.

I was in the navy, and structure and discipline was very essential.

I discipline myself from drugs and alcohol too.

I feel that retrograde Saturn has been very external and not just internal.
I think that it's because I have many Saturn aspects

I had lot of delays that you would expect with all these hard Saturn aspects. It even includes developmental delays.
I view myself as a late bloomer

with Saturn being in 9th and less than 10 degrees from the Midheaven, my Saturn is one of the Gauquelin sectors which is typical of scientists.

I believe that science is important. I value critical thinking. I even think James Randi has done a lot of good exposing metaphysical frauds.

I don't think that retrograde planets are necessarily internal,retrospective,and backward in their way of operating.
I think that when they are strongly aspected, those energies can play out in the outside world.

"btw, i have Chiron rx too...this is generational."

me too
yeah...it's generational. It's also a minor planet. Chiron is just unique in that it was first minor planet discovered that wasn't asteroid when it was discovered in 1977. Then they started finding more objects like Chiron in 1992, starting with Pholus. Now over 60 centaurs have been discovered.

retrograde Chiron in Aries in 8th
conjunct my retrograde Eris
trine my Jupiter
sextile/trine my Midheaven/Imum Coeli
sextile/trine my Lunar Nodes

also parallel/contraparallel Ascendant/Descendant

The wounded healer,maverick theme has been strong in my life

It's also hard to distinguish from the transneptunian dwarf planet Eris because they are both nonconformist objects with their highly elliptical orbs. Eris can be about minorities and marginalization with its theme of diversity,equality as well as controversy,discord.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted July 18, 2011 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Chaos:
What if True Node is RX??

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As far as I know, the Nodes are always retrograde.

posted July 18, 2011 03:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
As far as I know, the Nodes are always retrograde.

Ah well, one less thing to worry about!

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posted July 18, 2011 03:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Rosalind:
Not always. Some people have NN direct.

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posted July 18, 2011 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Oh-oh! Do you know what it means then, because mine are retrograde too?

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posted July 18, 2011 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Taineberry:
Maybe we're going to take one huge evolutionary step ... backwards... this life!

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posted July 21, 2011 02:20 AM            

my chart: http://s1082.photobucket.com/albums/j365/sunkissedqt703/?action=view¤t=Natalchart.gif