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posted July 02, 2010 11:21 PM            

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What do you guys make of this in synastry? Especially if it's a double whammy? Have you guys ever experienced this?

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posted July 03, 2010 01:06 AM            

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Cpn edgar winter has this with her husband, I think.His Sun conjuncts her SN---but not DW.

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posted July 03, 2010 03:16 AM            

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I have had this relationship with a superior before, but not in a romantic situation.

From what I have read (and if I was at home I could offer you some specific insight from Jan Spiller, as she has written about this in a few of her books) it seems that sun person feels like they are being a bit held back by the SN person, so it isn't exactly comfortable for the sun person. I think that given previous past life contacts the sun person may feel compelled and obligated to assist the SN person in someway, but it is not a relationship that allows either individual to progress on their path at a rate comfortable for each of them.

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posted July 03, 2010 04:41 AM            

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I had this with my ex.
He was the Sun and I was the SN.

I can't get him out of my mind.
I seriously try to move on, but he comes creeping back in and I backslide.

It's like something I know is bad for me, but yet, it feels comfortable, I'm used to it, and I like it.
It's a very difficult thing on one hand, and on the other hand it feels like home.

I'de have to say, this person is in the top three 'Great Loves of My Life'.

There's no forgetting this one.
His fingerprints are etched into my very soul.

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posted July 03, 2010 05:26 AM            

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Indeed, it is as GypseeWind says. The ultimate familiar, past life karmic relationship of convenience that will hold you back. Quickly release the karma and move on before creating more karma for the next lifeline. It is possible that he too is choosing to release the past life debts and so has appeared in your life?

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posted July 03, 2010 07:41 AM            

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There's no forgetting this one.
His fingerprints are etched into my very soul.

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I second that.

I did not have the DW but his Sun conjuncted my SN whilst my Moon conjuncted his SN.
Very hard to move on from.

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posted July 03, 2010 08:05 AM            

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Cpn has that one placement and her husband is the love of her life.
I remember cuz in synastry--my Venus is in exact conjunction to his SN.
I hate the part where they say the Node person gets tired of the planet person lol

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posted July 03, 2010 09:12 AM            

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Same story here.

Sun(her)/SN(him) conj.
Moon(his)/SN(her) conj.

Fresh in mind because I recently discovered this placements between my SO and the girl he had a sort of frustrating couldn't-get-rid/move on connection with for 3 years (before me). Just in the very beginning he had this feeling that she could be the right one for him. To make a long story short their 'relationship' turned out to be a very negative one based on just sex, hate and unhealthy emotional games. I do think she was still trying to 'get' him, in every possible way. But that was never going to happen because she couldn't SEE HIM, his hate/pain/emotions and so it became (for him in empty moments) no more or less than frequent sex and a shower afterwards.
In essention it was FOR HER more of a game than for him. She still lived in the illusion that one day their 'relationship' would work but he knew what he wanted and he knew why he could only have sex with a girl that didn't respect him for who he was/his way of life.

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posted July 03, 2010 09:23 AM            

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why have sex at all, in that case? If he knew what he wanted, then why use her, knowing that she wanted more? (mir).

*edit. I guess that's just the way unhealthy things go.

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posted July 03, 2010 09:52 AM            

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Indeed.

I forgot to mention that it's very possible (don't know her birthtime) that HER Moon is also conj. HIS South Node...

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posted July 03, 2010 09:53 AM            

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Hmmm... I've had a guy's Moon conjunct my SN before and it did kind of play out like what you said Mir, although I think it's a bit more mutual (we have other aspects that would make it so).

And as for a DW Sun/SN conjunction, would both parties get sick of each other, or would both parties stick together because of it?

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It is possible that he too is choosing to release the past life debts and so has appeared in your life?

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Maybe. It's kind of weird because he has popped up in my life once before and he made an impression that time, too. I don't know if he remembers it though. I should also add that my Moon is exactly conjunct his Karma.

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posted July 03, 2010 10:33 AM            

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Amowls...
Ha...this is a intense one right?

I have that with my TF in Synastry...and its intense...I felt like I knew him from day one.
But my Sun and Mars are conjunct his NN....so it was mutual from day one.
My Venus trines his Descendant exactly..

I knew from day one that I would not be able to get away from him...but I dont really need or want to.

Of course there are other factors in the our charts but this one made us both feel committed from day one. I felt like he just "got me", you know.

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posted July 03, 2010 11:00 AM            

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I'm dating someone else though. I just ran our synastry because I do it every time someone makes an impression on me. I wish I had his birth time so I could check Vertex/Angle stuff. His Moon may or may not conjunct my DSC/Saturn/Uranus. His Saturn opposes my Venus exactly.

I also know he's attracted to me too because of a mutual friend. I wonder what the karma involved is because I am in a committed relationship already so it's not like I can get romantically involved with this guy at this point in time. I don't know his house placements but my SN is in Virgo in the 4th (along with my Karma) and my Saturn/DNA is in Sagittarius/Capricorn the 7th.

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posted July 03, 2010 06:30 PM            

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SN isn't always bad. We should move on in our lessons and leave the negative things behind, but it doesn't mean that we should simply leave everything from the past behind (coz if so, then it wouldn't make sense in learning). We should leave the negative things behind, while carry the good things we've learned from the past.

I would think that how SN/planet conjunctions manifests in synastries depends on how the planet's traits manifests in the planet person, and how the SN person deals with the NN/SN issues.

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posted July 03, 2010 07:02 PM              

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i have an ex whose sun is on my SN. years later i still enjoy talking to him but that is all...no major chains involved!! the attraction WAS instantaneous and he DID help me in my music career. no major heartbreak or pangs of regret there...our suns are sextiled as well so maybe that explains the ongoing "friend" vibe..

NOT a DW either.

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posted July 04, 2010 09:39 AM            

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Indeed.
I forgot to mention that it's very possible (don't know her birthtime) that HER Moon is also conj. HIS South Node...

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My question was really rhetorical. my protective instincts come out, when I think of someone being used for sex, when it's obvious to the other person that they want more, but are unwilling to give that to them. I just think that we have a responsibility to others and their feelings, but I fall short in other ways.

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posted July 04, 2010 10:28 AM            

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I had a Moon/Venus/South Node double whammy with someone who shared my birthday (exactly, only he was born earlier in the day). My Moon was conjunct our Nodes, as well - his was a few degrees away.

I was extremely shy geek girl, at the time, whereas he had maintained the more cool Aries demeanour, with his late Taurus Moon, and our Venus in Gemini... I had a crush on him, though I was turned off by him on occasion. He liked me, but practically ignored me, the rare times we had class or any time together in school. (Ages 13 - 15 here.)

He asked me out just weeks before we moved to the States. He made the mistake of asking incredibly-shy and depressed me, out, by starting the question with, "I heard you had a crush on me..." It sounded to me as though he were doing me a favour, so I told him it wasn't true - that that was a mutual friend of ours (which was actually true - she liked him). later on, I found out how nervous Mr. Cool had actually been before he asked me out (he was with our families next-door, and they encouraged him to ask me).

That's the only experience I can think of with South Nodes. Attraction was mutual, when he wasn't afraid of dating someone who wasn't as popular as he was. (I'd say I don't miss high school but people can be jerks at any time - high school never seems to really end for some.)

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posted July 04, 2010 12:13 PM            

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I had the double whammy with my ex-husband - both our Suns on each others SN.

Its everything everyone has described here. Over comfortable, over familiar, yet restrictive and it feels like its holding you back from your true part... but its also very easy to settle into and settle FOR.

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posted July 04, 2010 02:50 PM            

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Hmmm.. VDM, was it that aspect that made you guys break up or was it something else?

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posted July 05, 2010 09:05 AM            

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Hm.. this guy I talked about also has a late Taurus-Moon ..(28'46)

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My question was really rhetorical. my protective instincts come out, when I think of someone being used for sex, when it's obvious to the other person that they want more, but are unwilling to give that to them. I just think that we have a responsibility to others and their feelings, but I fall short in other ways.

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Ok. My protective female instincts also do come out if I hear of someone 'being used for sex'. So, I absolutely do not approve this kind of behavior.
BUT.. I do UNDERSTAND how such a harsh connection can develop between two people.
She the blind one, in her blindness drove him up the wall by wanting to have it ALL (she couldn't live without their perfect sex life but he, as a person with his own unique way of life, wasn't perfect AT ALL - the best trigger of hate in my emotional vocabulary).
He, as an unhappy person, frequently very empty inside.. this man with his biological instincts could never feel sorry for this clumsy hot pursuer of ALSO sex. Better to say; what did she pursue besides sex if it wasn't him but just a dream.. ?
It (sex) just drove them into each other's arms, again and again and again...

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posted July 05, 2010 11:30 AM            

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I wouldn't take that sort of behaviour from that guy (from my teens). I'm having trouble letting go of someone (the Taurus I mentioned in another thread), but I wouldn't take it from him either - I'm more emotionally entangled with him, unfortunately.

It seems I'm probably lucky that my nodal connection was cut short with the guy above. He went on to be happy with another girl, but cheated on her once. (They split up, but she took him back eventually, and they now have three children.)

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posted July 05, 2010 02:22 PM            

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we were deeply in love...
He realized firstly and connected deeply..
My north node LEo,his sun aqua and also his north node in aqua..
very deep..

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posted May 10, 2016 09:36 PM            

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Well.. to give people a glimmer of hope about this, I know of a couple IRL who have been married 30+ years with three kids who have a Sun/SN DW in synastry. Different nodes too as they're 9 years apart in age. Just goes to show the SN isn't entirely all doom and gloom.

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posted March 08, 2018 04:04 PM            

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I have a bit of a different situation where one of my tenants has his Sun/Venus conjunction is directly on my MC/Saturn/South node. It's an older but cool old house that has been greatly improved but still needs some work. He's in his mid 20s & grew up in the construction business and I buy houses and do renovations (I'm 18 years older.) He moved in with some friends & they've pimped out the place & want to stay.

I don't interact with them unless there's an issue but...it's always him that's communicating with me and taking care of things. Hadn't really noticed before but our north nodes are conjunct in Cap by 2 degrees, his is right on my IC, my Saturn/MC are on his south node, our Mars are conjunct, each of us have a natal Saturn/Pluto square affecting each other's Venus. (His Pluto is conj my Venus w/ Saturn exactly squaring it) while my Saturn conjunct his Sun/Venus w/ my Sun/Pluto squaring it. Huh.

I've seen him mature a lot even over the last 6 months & this situation seems like a rite of passage for him. He's working hard, learning the ropes and trying things out. (Strangely, I never intended to rent that place but suddenly circumstances required that I had to, they came out of nowhere at the 11th hour & were a perfect fit for the place.)
Lately, we are both being put through the paces, Saturn in Cap just crossed both our mutual north nodes & is squaring and opposing all the aforementioned. Since Saturn's in my 4th, weird things have been happening at the house so we've been back & forth suddenly. Although it's a drag, I feel responsible & for the most part, for a bunch of young guys, they take pretty good care of things.
Who knows the future but definitely meant to be for the next little while. We were actually joking that they've gotten so comfortable in there, that they should just make me an offer on the place! Not out of the realm of possibility! ;}

My first childhood friend had her Sun directly conjunct my Saturn/South node also. I forget the rest of her chart but we were the only kids close in age on the same street so we became inseparable friends! Eventually, she relocated to the Midwest & we drifted but remain loosely in touch.When social media came out, she tried to reconnect and thought as the South Node person I was more apathetic and kind of let things go. (I think she was a bit disappointed by that.)

I had one romantic prospect a long time ago where my Sun/Pluto/ASC was conjunct his Venus/South node. However, my Saturn squared his Venus/Node and nothing connected to his North Node. We never totally got off the ground. I think he was more karmically tied to his ex but he would always stare at me and say "man, there's just something about you..." lol.
I've heard several astrologers say that a male sun is not so great conjunct the female's south node. The combination is comfortable & familiar but over time, tends to dissipate his Sun quality and as a consequence, he is not able to be a greatest advisor to her because he is too permissive & not really on top of things that need to be addressed. (The Vedic interpetation is also this way.) Traditionally, they say the female Sun conjunct the male south node is not as bad w/ the rationale being that her Sun being a masculine planet doesn't need to be as strong as her male partner. Who knows? Sounds kinda sexist. I know one couple with this configuration and they seem to enjoy it but she as it happens, she is Latin and younger more traditionally minded in terms of relationships which not everyone is these days.
It could also be different for a man who's Sun or male planets are south node oriented natally but they often tend to get stuck in the past and a hard time moving forward so I think most folks will still do better with someone plugging into their north node and pulling them forward to balance them.

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