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Topic: Saturn and Karma
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Lioness
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posted July 07, 2010 09:56 PM
 
I have been reading that Saturn is the Karma King.. I went back and checked composites with people that I have been meeting since I separated from my husband. I can see similarities.. And a lot of hard Saturn Aspects.. I am also an 8 person born 8/8. I have always been fascinated with the number 8.
To a sense I have always felt 8 stood for Karma.. I wear a necklace of the 8 and people ask me what its for I say it stands for Destiny/Fate... This is prior to reading what the 8 means, or what being an 8 person means... So I ask you to look at these composites of me and other people, that I have a strong bond with that I just can't seem to pull away from.. For the most part it's been platonic. Not being able to pass into a romantic relationship... But people are just coming at me left and right.. Transit Saturn just left my 6th and is now in my 7th.. Conjunct my DC line. So Im getting hit hard here... LOL Do you think these people are part of my Karma??? I have different feelings about each and different circumstances... But regardless I just HAVE to have these people in my life.... at least for now.... LOL 
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Lioness
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posted July 07, 2010 09:56 PM
More 
My question to you guys is,
IS KARMA AFTER ME???? OMG!!! what could I have done.. LOL...
Any other 8 people have composites like these???
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Lioness
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posted July 07, 2010 11:12 PM
The one thing that I notice in each one is Uranus Opposite Chiron.. Seems like it's generational, but some of these guys are near my age, and some are 3 to 5 years.. some are over 5 years age difference up to 9 years.. Saturn near the IC or DC... Or the 3-6 house.. YUCK!!! IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted July 08, 2010 01:54 AM
You're right, Lioness! 8's are associated with Saturn in numerology, so you're spot on! I haven't looked at the charts in-depth yet, but I will say that I think you'll feel comfortable with Saturn stuff...well, not comfortable (wrong word LOL)...more like familiar? I'd be interested to see your own chart  In numerology I am a 7, which is associated with Neptune, and incidentally I have Neptune in my 7th in my own chart lol. Interesting to see the recurring themes overlapping from astrology to numerology, isn't it. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted July 08, 2010 01:56 AM
btw - the Chiron/Uranus aspect is generational as you mention. I have it too. I get it to an extent (varying degrees) with everyone in my age range also....
I think if you're going to keep getting it with people in your age range then it's maybe not AS huge, but if it's very close in degrees then yeah, it's important. IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask
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posted July 08, 2010 01:59 AM
OK, last post for now  As you know Saturn is really also common in longer term relationships but it's also going to show up in significant involvements. I know my own significant involvements, even if they were not long-lasting had a huge Saturn theme with hard stuff. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 01:59 AM
Interesting I didnt know I would feel comfortable with Saturn.. but yes lots of saturn aspects.. But deep feelings of some sort.. Here is my natal  Here is my SR coming up..  IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 02:02 AM
I have huge age gaps with some one these guys.. Up to ten years.. They are coming at me like sharks... LOLIP: Logged |
mermaid26
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posted July 08, 2010 09:47 AM
As an eight, I believe "heavily" in the Karma deal. I could write a mystical book on my personal experiences. I don't do the in depth analysis though as I see and feel the ties that bind pretty clearly without. In other words, I'm freaked out enough. I simply try to do the right thing to settle any "old" Karma and consciously create "new" good Karma. The past is the past and what really matters now are my current actions. So yes, like Linda mentioned, it's test taking time, NOW. One of my recurrent nightmares growing up was about being late for taking a test, and not having enough time to complete it, etc...VERY SATURN-like indeed.IP: Logged |
mermaid26
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posted July 08, 2010 10:10 AM
Saturn in your 3rd house highlights communications and in Gemini ... well, I'm sure you know how that Gemini ticker keeps thinking and thinking. My Jupiter in Gemini knows about it for certain. Coming at you like sharks, huh? I see your Eros in Pisces ... like bees to a honeypot. Just be sure you aren't actually the shark and thus projecting it on to them. That's my advice. IP: Logged |
mermaid26
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posted July 08, 2010 10:11 AM
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Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 10:43 AM
Mermaid... These aren't always romantic connections.. Only one of these composites was a strong romantic connection. Another one I dated a few times... The rest are platonic. It seems as if people just come to me out of now where... I bond with them, and at some point, either they give me some advice or I give them advice, and then they just go away..
Then I left feeling sad, because I lost a good friend... Mermaid does the same type of things happen to you? Now that I understand the 8, I have accepted the 8. I even have a tattoo of the number 8. Sometimes I just cant handle the issue's. Then other times I'm ready... I have even said OK.. Im ready for the next one... doom... Within a week I meet another and start all over... My recurring nightmares (when I was a younger) was some one trying to kill me... The nightmares stopped when I got married.. Yes I could write one crazy book with my experiences...
If you ever want to share your 8 experiences, please let me know...
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Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 11:05 AM
I have looked into 8.. How much it is a part of me.. I was born 8/8
I was born on the 8th cycle of the new moon
Every 8 years I go through major changes. Especially years that end with 8..
I will be 38 next month.. And well look at my transits... In numerology http://www.cafeastrology.com/numerology2/index.htm
my life path is 8
destiny is a 7
A 7's destiny is to pursue the truth behind everything and to seek inner-knowledge. This pursuit may often leave you isolated from most of those around you. Indeed, you may seek isolation. Your mission is to uncover wisdom and truth in all its forms. In time, you will be called upon to share your knowledge and wisdom with the rest of us. This is a huge part of me.. WOW.. sooo true.. I just have to KNOW.. WHY WHY Soul is 8
Personality is 8
Cycle 1 and 2 are both 8.
3rd is a 1... (maybe some rest... LOL)
Birth number is 8
My karmic lessons are a 3 and a 6.. My Karmic Debit is a 16
Which kinda explains all the connections... Your Karmic Debt Number(s) are/is 16
Karmic Debt Numbers signify past abuses of your talents that you must make amends for. Like all of us, you have made many choices and taken many actions in your lives. Some of those choices and actions have been mistakes. Your past errors must be addressed, so you can use your Karmic Debt Numbers to identify exactly what type of mistakes you have made in the past and how you can atone for them. top
A 16 Karmic Debt Number points to an abuse of love in your past. Your were not honest about your feelings and/or neglected to consider the feelings of others. The consequence of these actions is that you must now reconnect with that part of your spiritual self that will not allow you to misuse love and affection. Doing this is no easy task. To succeed that which earned you the 16 must be destroyed, so a more spiritually ethical self can take its place.
A 9 Pinnacle means you are in a period where your love for your fellow man will be at its zenith. In this period you will play healer and inspirer to those around you. A 9 Pinnacle is never easy. You will be asked to sacrifice meeting your own needs for the good of others. You may experience the pain of loss, but in the end will be rewarded by fulfilling your soul's need to ease the pain of others.
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Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 11:43 AM
I'd consider the nodes of Saturn too. They could be even more karmic than Saturn itself.
The Nodes of Saturn are slow moving,and they relate to the collective.The heliocentric Saturn Node is far more slow moving than the geocentric Saturn Node. If you were look at the heliocentric Saturn Node, I'd only look at the heliocentric chart. I think that it's a bit iffy to use heliocentric stuff in a geocentric chart. It's mixing apples and oranges. I made a recent change of view about that.
I believe that the whole chart is karmic. That is something Zane Stein told me.
That's actually the Evolutionary Astrological perspective too. Ixion is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. Some astrologers believe that it relates to karma. They got it from the myth of Ixion. The wheel that Ixion was bound to in Tartarus was compared to the wheel of birth,death,and rebirth. Philip Sedgwick wrote that it has to do with second chances but also understanding the karmic wheel. The Ixion Nodes are collective. I am strong in both Ixion and its nodes. I am not too crazy about having a conjunction of Sun,Ixion,and South Eris Node in Scorpio. In Heliocentric,I have Sun-North Eris Node oppose Ixion-South Eris Node. There is strong suggestion of major karma involving equality,diversity,controversy,discord as well as the ideology that it can all be connected to. Jeffrey Wolf Green looks at the geocentric nodes for karmic indicators too. He looks at geocentric south nodes for pastlife karmic information.
Numerology
I have 14 as an expression number. It is one of the karmic debt numbers.
My lifepath is 3 which is associated with Jupiter. I have Jupiter in 3rd house. ------------------
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Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 11:45 AM
@ Glucus how do I find out this info? IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 11:51 AM
Jonathan Dunn ephemeral page
http://www.true-node.com/
http://www.true-node.com/pos/ ------------------
Raymond Andrews,
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Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 12:05 PM
Heres what came up Geocentric Chiron Rx 17 Ari 12:01 22 Lib 50:24 2 Tau 06:53
VTX 19 Tau 15:16
Saturn 18 Gem 02:33 25 Can 43:33 20 Cap 55:26
Venus 2 Can 18:27 22 Can 06:59 0 Lib 35:36
MC 27 Can 55:54
Mercury Rx 14 Leo 23:51 29 Can 30:41 10 Vir 51:48
Moon 15 Leo 09:34 26 Cap 00:19 26 Can 00:19
Sun 16 Leo 36:20
Mars 26 Leo 14:13 23 Gem 00:53 15 Lib 22:08
Pluto 0 Lib 15:54 20 Can 38:31 19 Cap 14:30
Uranus 15 Lib 11:27 16 Gem 28:09 11 Sag 05:11
ASC 22 Lib 08:06
Mean Lunar Apogee 18 Sco 41:43
Neptune Rx 2 Sag 29:34 11 Leo 40:41 11 Aqu 20:51
Osculating Lunar Apogee Rx 4 Sag 23:25
Jupiter Rx 28 Sag 53:51 15 Can 54:40 2 Cap 22:26
Mean Lunar Node Rx 24 Cap 55:31
True Lunar Node Rx 26 Cap 00:19 Now in Heliocentric Chiron 14 Ari 30:11 29 Lib 00:53 29 Ari 00:53
VTX 19 Tau 15:16
Saturn 12 Gem 33:13 23 Can 26:28 23 Cap 26:28
MC 27 Can 55:54
Mars 2 Vir 05:34 19 Tau 21:07 19 Sco 21:07
Pluto 1 Lib 36:30 20 Can 01:50 20 Cap 01:50
Uranus 17 Lib 53:33 13 Gem 51:47 13 Sag 51:47
ASC 22 Lib 08:06
Neptune 4 Sag 20:07 11 Leo 31:08 11 Aqu 31:08
Jupiter 7 Cap 09:16 10 Can 10:37 10 Cap 10:37
Earth 16 Aqu 36:20
Moon 16 Aqu 36:33 16 Aqu 33:30 16 Aqu 39:40
Mercury 19 Aqu 55:39 18 Tau 00:39 18 Sco 00:39
Venus 19 Pis 34:27 16 Gem 26:20 16 Sag 26:20 IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted July 08, 2010 12:27 PM
That copied badly... here is the chartIxion is at 6Scop
 Is Geocentric the same as Sidereal???  IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 01:37 PM
Geocentric and Sidereal are not the sameGeocentric means Earth-centered Regular astrology charts use a geocentric system with a tropical zodiac Sidereal means star-based ,and that's referring to the Sidereal Zodiac which is not the same as the constellation zodiac.
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