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Topic: Astrological Explanation (Gem AC) - IQ - Glaucus - Anyone?
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Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted July 08, 2010 11:09 PM
 
I am trying to figure out a particular interpretation of Gemini Ascendant. (Yes I know this is getting tiring.. lol I am sure my AC is Cancer, but I still have a curiosity about Gemini AC for whatever reason, so I still read about it sometimes).Anyway - this interpretation confused me, because I don't really understand HOW they reached these conclusions about Gemini AC.. Here is it: quote:
You may have experienced a difficult childhood. Gemini has been called the “orphan’s” ascendant, for there is often a feeling of having been left out in the cold, of being alone, as a child. The need to communicate, and make sense of the world, is then at odds with this alienating beginning. You have to find your own way of connecting with the outside world, for it is not made easy or especially natural for you. Criticism experienced during childhood may lead to feelings of inadequacy, and a tendency to avoid the social situations that are the birth right of the Gemini rising individual. If this is the case, you will need to learn slowly how to connect in social situations and discover how interesting (and interested) you really are. Much will depend on the other planets in the chart. If these experiences were not part of your childhood, then there is often an altogether different kind of upbringing where books, ideas and information are encouraged and readily available
http://www.starslikeyou.com.au/star-files/ascendant/gemini.php I read that and my first thought was: "HUH?" I mean, it makes perfect sense for a Gem AC person to be brought up in an environment where books and information are encouraged. But all this stuff about a difficult childhood? Does this have some connection to houses?
Is it because the 4th house is in Virgo for Gemini AC? I just don't understand the logic behind it, and I was thinking maybe IQ or Glaucus or Belgz - DD - Diana - Lara.. could clear this up. Thanks guys!
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Glaucus
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posted July 08, 2010 11:29 PM
I have no clueit seems a bit cookbook I had a difficult childhood too,and I have a Virgo Ascendant. Of course, there are other things that factor like my lunar apex t-square ------------------
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Geocosmic* Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 670
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posted July 09, 2010 12:29 AM
There is one paragraph in that entire writing that talks about a difficult childhood and never have I heard of Gemini ASC referred to as the Orphans Ascendant. I am a Gemini Rising and everything rang true except for the paragraph you showcased.Once in a while in some astrology books (any book for that matter) I've seen serious publishing mistakes where they give the description for one planet or sign or house when they mean to give the discription for a different one. They just label it wrong. I seriously believe they made a publishing mistake and put the wrong paragraph into this one about Gemini Rising. Although, for the life of me, I don't know which Ascendant would ever be considered "The Orphan's Ascendant". It sounds like some of the most irresponsible labeling I've ever heard of. I wouldn't worry about it. IP: Logged |
belgz
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posted July 09, 2010 12:32 AM
Vapor you look 100 percent Cancerian rising!! You even have the big full lips like Angelina Jolie  I know my own kind hehehehehe IP: Logged |
Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted July 09, 2010 01:51 AM
LOL Belgz.. What about Amowls? She has a late Gemini rising and big lips.Anyway I'm sure it's Cancer! I'm too emotional for it not to be. Unless that's Pisces? But probably not. Glaucus and Geo - You know.. I think you guys are right. I was just curious about it. I guess I could see that as an interpretation for Chiron in Gemini (which I also have).. which would indicate some kind of "wound" associated with the sign of Gemini. But the AC? That's just strange. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted July 09, 2010 01:54 AM
It sounds right to me. I'm the single Earth sun born to a house of all masculine Suns, and two Fire parents. My mom has only in the past few years tried to make sense of my intelligence. My parents both liked being impressive in overt ways, and didn't recognize/accept/encourage my more subtle and careful ways.Looking at my chart in whole signs I don't see what would make it an orphan. Twins rising. Maybe one gets left behind? Third house is kids, right? That would be Leo-ruled. Would the opposite, Sag, be the adopted child? Maybe Sag, ruling things foreign, would signify that somehow. Gemini is closer to home. Perhaps because it is a first quadrant sign in a first quadrant house it's focus is intensely first quadrant in emphasis. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 02:09 AM
Dy--na-- Scorpio Rising says a childhood where the Grandmother often takes over the role of the mother.
In that sense---it could be an orphans ASC.
x o x Ami
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Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted July 09, 2010 02:13 AM
AG - That's interesting about Sagittarius being the sign of foreign things - and Gemini being closer to home.. hmmmAmi - Could you explain a little? I'm not sure I follow that. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 02:19 AM
Hi Dyn
Well, I thought I had a Libra ASC prior to a great Astrologer figuring out I had a Scorp ASC.
Once I got the Scorp ASC--my whole chart--down to every last detail fit.
I breathed a sigh of relief cuz I never fit my chart before.
When I would get a reading---It was not "me".
----at all.
The ASC made such a big difference for me --and the house changes too.
To answer your question---My Grandmother who was the single pivotal figure in my life did not show up until I got the Scorp ASC.
Then, I read that the GM will often take over the mothers role.
There will be some affliction with the mother/relationship with the mother.
I never heard that about Gem.
x o Ami
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Glaucus
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posted July 09, 2010 02:26 AM
My mother has a Cancer Ascendant, and she had a very difficult childhood too including never knowing her biological mother who tried to give her up for adoption which was prevented by my Cancer Sun grandfather. She was in numerous fosterhomes. She also helped take care of her 4 younger half-siblings.Of course, there are other things that factored like her Moon conjunct the Vertex in Scorpio in 5th house as well as her Neptune sesquiquadrate/semisquare her Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis.
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Dy-na-mi-tee
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posted July 09, 2010 02:27 AM
lol Now I'm confused about both Scorpio AC and Gemini AC... because I don't follow the logic in either.
Why would Scorpio AC show - the grandmother becoming the primary mother figure?
With Scorpio AC... the 4th house would be Aquarius. But Capricorn is the sign of grandparents.. as far as I knew. I honestly don't get it. It seems they have a point, I'm just not sure how they arrived at it lol IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 02:30 AM
It was so strange when I read it, Dyn-a, cuz that was exactly what happened to me.
THIS is my experience--when you get the right ASC--it should fit--like a shoe which finally feels comfortable.
Things shift such as houses and planets in houses and you KNOW that you have it right.Neptune went in to the 12th where it fits . Saturn went in to the first. I have a 8th house stellium which fits--unfortunately  .
Pluto conjuncts the MC--exactly--which fits.
With the two ASC's---which one makes the rest of the chart fit better?
I am surprised you don't feel at home in one or the other ASC's.
For me , it was a strong sense of coming home. Ami ------------------
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Glaucus
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posted July 09, 2010 02:31 AM
My maternal grandfather, my maternal stepgrandmother,and my maternal aunt Dominga were born with Scorpio Ascendants. That grandmother stuff didn't apply to them. I don't know how that astrologer came up with those delineations. ------------------
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Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 02:39 AM
I KNOW . When I read the Grandmother stuff ,I was amazed cuz it was me--exactly.
It did seem so strange that it would be so detailed like that.
Maybe Taurus is the house of security( and a mother would provide security) and Scorpio the opposite house--could be one removed from a mother like Scorpio is other people's money.
Taurus is your own material wealth(and self esteem). Scorpio is other people's money(inheritance)
So,perhaps,you move to the next level--as from mother to grandmother. Ami ------------------
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teasel
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posted July 09, 2010 02:47 AM
The grandmother thing doesn't apply to me either... she looked after us at times, and we were with her for a couple of years, when my mother worked (and we lived with her), or when we were very sick and needed more attention than my working mother could give us (something she felt guilty about). Grandma was never the primary caregiver. IP: Logged |
iQ
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posted July 09, 2010 05:35 AM
Vapor/Dynamite, "X" Rising people have instant affinity/rapport with "X" Sun Signs.
If you are Cancer Rising, you will easily develop rapport with Cancerians, like me Never heard/seen Gemini relating to an orphaned childhood, never seen Scorpio Rising connected to the Grandmother either. ------------------
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Lara
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posted July 09, 2010 07:35 AM
Well I have no idea if that is typical of Gemini ac but whatever aacendant that quote pertains to, it's my AC.
Reading that made me squirm it's so true 
That was totally my childhood! and the orphan bit is so me too - most people ask me if I'm an orphan at some point in their knowing me. Could it be Gemini 4th/IC?
Now you got me curious again dynamitee LOL IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 07:50 AM
It is so weird about the Scorp AC and the grandmother.It makes me feel like maybe I read it in the Twilight Zone  Ami ------------------
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soulful122
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posted July 09, 2010 11:19 AM
Ami, I was also raised by my grandmother. My mother was around, but she wasn't fit. She was always verbally & physically abusive, very difficult to be in the same room without feeling nauseated, so my grandmother took over the role of taking care of me when I was young. I'm a Libra rising.IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted July 09, 2010 11:28 AM
That reminds memy biological father was raised by his grandmother. I don't know if it was his maternal grandmother or paternal grandmother. She was highly superstitious. She was a strong believer in metaphysical things. She even put snakes on the porch to ward off evil spirits. She strongly believed in voodoo magick. This was in Lake Charles,Louisiana.
My father was born in New Orleans,Louisiana and was raised in Lake Charles. Black Creole family
I don't have his birthtime though,and so I don't known his Ascendant.
He had Moon in Pisces like myself. It was disposited by stationary Neptune and stationary Jupiter. ------------------
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amowls*
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posted July 09, 2010 01:30 PM
I had an easy childhood and Im a Gem Rising.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted July 09, 2010 04:19 PM
I see Ami much more as a Libra rising than a Scorpio rising. I see nothing Scorpio about you at all Ami. You aren't even capable of arguing effectively and this is Scorpio's joker card!I have a friend and she is a double Libra - raised by her grandparents. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 09, 2010 04:27 PM
What do you mean I can't argue Lara  ?
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Lara
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posted July 09, 2010 05:05 PM
I mean that you are too vulnerable and polite. You are too much of a softy and you don't have a tongue that lashes like a scorpio's can.Scorpio AC's are very volatile and cut deep. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 09, 2010 05:13 PM
I was too soft and sweet, for years... politeness can come easily to a Scorpio ascendant. I can be sharp, too. You have to really cross a line or I have to be in an exceptionally sensitive mood, for it to come out, though. IP: Logged |
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