posted July 18, 2010 06:14 PM            

(1) Johnny Cash - June Carter
long lasting marriage until death; she helped him overcome his addiction.

his NN square her Saturn exact
her NN conjunct his Chiron

(2) my parents
married for 36 years

his NN conjunct her Juzpiter
his SN conjunct her Saturn exact
his NN square her Uranus
her NN square her Lilith
his NN square her ASC

(3) Paul Mc Cartney - Linda Eastman
long lasting marriage until her death

her NN square his Sun
her NN square his Mercury
her NN conjunct his Neptune
her NN square his Lilith exact
her Nn conjunct his ASC
her NN square his MC

(4) Paul Newman - Joanne Woodward
longlasting (50 years!) marriage till his death

his SN conjunct her Mercury exact
his SN conjunct her Mars
his NN square her Chiron
her NN square his Sun
her NN conjunct his IC

(5) Robert Brown - Elizabeth Barrett Browning
poets; pretty long marriage until her death (I think it was 15 years). He totally transformed her life, bringing love and healing into it, and he mourned her until his own death.
They also were inspiring each other.

his SN conjunct her Mercury
his SN conjunct her Mars
her NN square his Moon exact
her SN conjunct his Venus
her SN conjunct his Jupiter exact
her NN conjunct his Saturn
her NN square his LIlith

(6) Spencer Tracey - Katherine Hepburn
Never married (he was already married) nor lived together, yet had a long lasting romance going on (25 years I think)

her NN conjunct his DESC

(7) William Randolph Hearst - Marion DAvies
Huge age difference. NEver married (as he was already married), yet lived together for many years until he died.

his NN square her Jupiter
his SNc onjunct her Pluto
her NN square his Mercury
her NN square his Pluto

(8) Edward - Wallis Simpson
her Nn square his Venus

(9) Humphrey Bogart - Lauren Bacall
married for 12 years, until he died. He considered her "the love of his life".

his NN square her Sun
his NN square her Uranus exact
his NN conjunct her ASC exact

(10) Patrick Swayze - Lisa Niemi

posted July 18, 2010 06:21 PM            

NN conjunct Moon
SN conjunct Neptune
NN square NN exact

(12)Antonio Banderas - Melanie Griffith
married for 16 years up to date

his NN conjunct her Mercury
his NN conjunct her Venus
her NN square his Sun

(13) Brad Pitt - Angeline Jolie
his NN square her Moon
his NN square her Mars exact
his NN square her Pluto
her NN conjunct his Lilith

(14) Johnny Depp - Vanessa Paradis
together for over 10 years I think

his NN conjunct her Moon
his NN square her Uranus
his NN conjunct her SN
her NN conjunct his Moon
her NN square his Jupiter

(15) Laurence Olivier - Viviel Leigh
20 years long romance; tumultous, passionate and volatile; apparently didn`t stop to love each other despite having divorced (they just could not live with each other)

hsi NN conjunct her Mars
his NN conjunct her Neptune
her SN conjunct his MOon
her NN conjunct his Saturn
her NN square his Pluto exact

(16) Richard Burton - Elizabeth Taylor
his SNc onjunct her Saturn
his NN square her Lilith (5)
her NN conjunct his Uranus
her NN square his MC

(17) Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson

his NN conjunct her ASC
her NN square his Jupiter
her NN conjunct his Saturn
her NN square his Pluto

(18) CRownprincess Victoria and Daniel Westling
just married, but have been together for 8 or 9 years I think, and she was allowed to marry him despite him being a commoner

his SN conjunct her MOon
her NN conjunct his URanus
her SN conjunct his Chiron exact

(19) John Lennon - Yoko Ono

posted July 18, 2010 06:22 PM            

his NN csquare her Moon
her NN conjunct his Saturn

(21) Frank Sinatra - Ava Gardner
married for 8 years. Very volatile and partially violent marriage

his NN square her Jupiter
her SN conjunct his Jupiter
her NN square his Lilith

(22) Henry Miller - Anais Nin
passionate love affair that lasted about 10 years, but burnt out completely (at least on her part); remembered for their creativity together

hsiNN square her Jupiter
her NN square his MC

(23) Auguste Rodin - Camille Claudel
Compulsive passionate affair, that detoriated quickly. Later on Claudel accused Rodin of having stolen her creative ideas; in the end she ended up in an asylum.

her NN square his Neptune

(24) Bertrand Cantat - Marie Trintigant
he beat her to death in a rage

her NN squrae his Neptune exact
her NN square his MC

(I start thinking that Neptune aspecting nodal axis is not a good sign, if it doesn`t have strong balancing factors)

(25) ERic Satie - Suzanne Valadon
a very short (week-long) affair; she then disappeared from his life completely and suddenly; he never got involved with someone else.

his NN conjunct her Mars
his SN conjunct her Neptune

(26) Emperor fRanz Joseph of Austria and Sisi
a royal marriage that began as love (at least from his side), but the love could not be sustained, yet they remained married (of course, as royal couples of that time did not divorce). But each lived their own lives.

his SN conjunct her Uranus
his NN square her MC
her NN square his Venus
her NN square his Neptune exact

(27) Crownprince Rudolph of Austria - Marie Vetsera
Marie was Rudolph`s mistress, and he shot first her and then himself.

posted July 18, 2010 06:29 PM            

I have a love/hate relationship with my NN with it being cj my saturn/moon/venus making it the focal point of my chart lol

my NN cj his mars
my SN cj his valentine

posted July 19, 2010 07:42 AM            

Hm.. we almost share the same as the gay couple;

His NN conj. my Moon
NN square NN (exact)
My NN conj. his Venus (wide orb of 6*)

About the significance of Saturn-SN/NN conjunctions; in synastry I shared this in my two most significant relationships;
1 - his Saturn/my NN conj.
2- his Saturn/my SN conj.

In my current third; Saturn/SN conj. in Composite.

I still have in mind what Cafeastrology says about Saturn-SN/NN conjunctions in synastry or composite: .. romantic relationships that don't get off the ground PROPERLY.
(since I put the stress on properly I can live with having it AGAIN (now) in composite)

posted July 19, 2010 10:19 AM            

interesting that you also have NN square NN. Do you feel you hinder each other`s path?
I was thinking that the NN-square might have been a reason why these two guys broke up after so many years, which came as a big surprise for many people.
But I wasn`t sure about that.
Now I tend to think, maybe it`s been Neptune, who had done a bit of dissolving the tie - Neptune seems to play a not so nice role if you consider in what kind of relationships it figured so strongly, the Neptune-NN aspects.

1) Paul Mc Cartner - Linda Eastman
the conjunction

2) Laurence Olivier - Vivien O Leigh
the conjunction

3) Auguste Rodin - Camille Claudel
the square

4) Bertrand Cantat - Marie Trintigant
the square

5) Eric Satie - Suzanne Valadon
the opposition

6)Emperor Franz Joseph - Sisi
the square

The square and opposition seemed to be really bad news in these cases.
Adding to that the fact that there was not much else going on with the nodal axis.

"My NN conj. his Venus (wide orb of 6*)"
This one actually seems to be one to give some attraction-glue.

"1 - his Saturn/my NN conj.
2- his Saturn/my SN conj. "
It`s impossible to miss how often this one pops up. Both actually.

"romantic relationships that don't get off the ground PROPERLY."
I think they are a bit wrong about this one.
Saturn-Nodal axis does not necessarily seem to be about romantic attractions AT ALL, but provides a glue, ties that are hard to break. Something fated about this connection, that you can`t really escape.
Sometimes of course you HAVE to break the ties to move on, but it is very difficult with these aspects as it seems..

1) Johnny Cash - June Carter
the square

there were some limitations and it took some time till their relationship took off, but it did big time, and it was a very lastting one, and one in which they worked hard, also one which included healing of his addictions. She was giving him a structure and hold I think.

2) my parents
opposition (conjunction with SN)
it took off rather quickly; they met, fell in love and married 2 years later after being engaged quickly.
Another hard to break tie despite personal differences. But they "have a job together", my middle brother has the Down syndrome, and I think they were fated to be his parents and take good care of him, and thus needed such a strong link.

3) Robert Browning - Elizabeth Barett Bronwin
conjunction

another couple who worked together (as poets) and who facilitated strong transformations in each other, and healing for her. He actually gave her life a structure like June did for Johnny.
I guess she needed that bond to him to follow her own life path.
And yes they faced obstacles before in the person of her strict father, but got married within a year after their meeting (well,a ctually after their exchange of letters started).

(since I put the stress on properly I can live with having it AGAIN (now) in composite

4) Laurence Olivier - Vivien Leigh
conjunction
fell in love despite being married. Got married to each other within 2 years, and despite their divorce 20 years later, both seemed to have loved each other until the very end.
I found these quotes:
"She would go to her grave still loving Olivier, telling writer Radie Harris shortly before her death that she'd 'rather have lived a short life with Larry than face a long life without him"
and
" In 1986, a visitor to his home found the 80-year-old Olivier sitting alone, watching Leigh in an old film on television. 'This, this was love,' he said, in tears. 'This was the real thing.'"
For a time he seemed to have been able to stabilize her, but in the end her manic depressions and bipolarity just was too much for both of them I guess.

5) Richard Burton - Elizabeth Taylor
opposition
in this case it is her Saturn, so if at all, it would probably have been her, being able to give him at least some structure, if it had not been for her own personality I guess.
Again, a couple that though divorced (twice) could somehow not break the tie to each other. In a recent Interview Taylor even said that, if Burton was still alive, she would instantly marry him again.

Their other nodal aspects were pretty volatile, too,with the squrae to Lilith and conjunct to Uranus.

6) Tom Hanks - Rita Wilson
conjunction
Theirs has been a very long lasting marriage until today, too.

7) Diego Rivera - Frida Kahlo
conjunction
He was SAturn, and in the beginning he DID give her some structure. But theirs also was a very volatile relationship, full of passion, jealousy, betrayal and infedelities. Yet they were practically unable to get away from each other, despite several affairs. He was there with her even in the hour of her death. They had married within one year of meeting each other - so not that much delay, and the relationship definitely got off the ground properly, though it had many ups and downs.

Interestingly, in the short term affairs and relationship that were not "marriage-like" like of:

Miller - Nin
Rodin - Claudel
Cantat - Trintigant
Satie - Valadon
Rudolf - Vetsera

there was not ONE Saturn-Node aspect!
The three shortest had the Neptune-Node aspect, though.

posted July 19, 2010 10:25 AM            

x o x
Ami

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I am two with nature.

posted July 19, 2010 10:50 AM              

His:
North node conjunct sun and mercury..

My:

posted July 19, 2010 11:40 AM            

of course we cannot base an interpretation on the nodal interaction alone. But we have to start somewhere I guess.
Anyway just judging from your nodal aspects:

I am leaving out trine and sextile for now, as conjunction and square are much more insistent and louder.

"Her Venus is exact conjunction with HIS SN. Her Venus is in exact opposition to his Neptune/NN conjunction."
Ah this is the one, only 2 weeks older than me, am I right?

Venus-SN seems to indicate a love from a past life. I think no matter if NN or SN, Venus in contact to the nodes will trigger some strong attraction. In the cases I have seen the Venus person seems to be the one who is very attracted, while the Node person may feel the fated attachment a bit more strongly.
Also his Neptune conjunct your Venus seems very romantic to me, of course there is always the risk of being deluded by Neptune.
In this particular conjunction I think there could be some disappointment due to different needs or wishes.
Both planets are about love. so I think both will feel a loving vibe, when with the other person.
But the Venus person`s love is more personal, she wants a personal one to one romantic relationship, while Neptune is very commpassionate, very gently, spiritually loving, but not nearly as personal and sensual as the Venus person.
The Venus person could be very fascinate and mesmerized by Neptune. Fairy dust and violins playing from the mist. But they might idolize Neptune a little bit, and Neptune may sometimes feel a bit uncomfortable trying to make Venus see that he is not a saint, not an angel, but just a human and not nearly as flawless as Venus seems to think.
Venus may find Neptune sometimes a bit elusive for that reason, but as Neptune is about spiritual love he OF COURSE cares for Venus, probably a lot. And her love actually is imprinted in his lifepath (her Venus on his NN). He is fated to experience love and beauty and art and sensuality through her (of course that can happen trhough mutual love or rejection, depends on other aspects I think).

posted July 19, 2010 11:46 AM            

"North node conjunct sun and mercury.."
Seems relevant. At least indicates a strong connection. Does sun or Mercury rule your ASC or DESC?
I think you have Virgo ASC, right?
Then his NN would be conjunct your ASC-ruler and his SN conjunct your DESC ruler.
Maybe you have had a past life relationshipw ith him?
Anway for now he might have a great influence on the development of your personality.
But on its own neither Sun nor Mercury seem all that romantic. But both happened a lot in the synastries I investigated. It seems to indicate that people have "to do with each other", and probably is a binding factor, too.

"North node opposite his Neptune"
Even though I usually defend Neptune, after checking all these synastries, I am getting a bad feeling about Neptune squaring or opposing the NN.
And in each of these cases it was the Neptune person who somehow "harmed" the NN-person. AS if the NN person is to experience confusion, unclarity, illusions and disillusions, dreams and disappointments, betrayal and elusive behaviour through the other one. In some cases Neptune jsut disappears.
Of course Neptune is also spiritual and compassionate, but somehow in these examples with the tensed aspects Neptune did not show himself at his best I guess.
But of course it depends a lot on the other aspects, too.

posted July 19, 2010 11:49 AM            

his Juno is cj. my NN
his Jupiter cj. my SN by 5 degrees
his AC/DC sq. my Nodes by 4 degrees
my Pluto sq. his Nodes
my Moon sq. his Nodes by 5 degrees
my Vertex widely cj. his NN. (5-6 deg. i think it's too wide)

posted July 19, 2010 11:58 AM            

Ami

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I am two with nature.

posted July 19, 2010 02:13 PM            

partially the orbs were not as tight as I had liked to see, but still tight enough I guess.

his SN conjunct her Mercury (2°)
his SN conjunct her Mars (4°)
her NN square his Moon (0°)
her SN conjunct his Venus (2°)
her SN conjunct his Jupiter (0°)
her NN conjunct his SAturn (3°)
her NN square his Lilith (3°)

posted July 19, 2010 03:33 PM            

quote:

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..'This, this was love,' he said, in tears. 'This was the real thing.'..

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I got chills reading this.. (also that part with your parents and middle brother touched me)

The real thing you know.. pure reality .. it's like we can only see what's REAL at the end of our lives or at least many many many years & dreams later ... *reminds me of my first Saturn/NN relationship, 20 years ago*

I don't see much difference between *that one* and my current NN/NN square (or Composite Saturn/SN) relationship, except maybe for the fact that I don't really run away for it anymore (the problems, the sh*T, the rose colored dreams about how a relationship must be like etc).
So, I STAY!

Exactly what lechien said;

quote:

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our relationship is a constant ups and downs, and also on and off often (by distance, sex and partnership itself). sometimes it gets extremely difficult to deal with each other...

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But no, (still) no feeling of hinder each other's path.

EDIT; There IS hinder.. (now I think about it)

posted July 19, 2010 03:43 PM            

" got chills reading this.."
I felt the same when I read that. I almost started crying.

" it's like we can only see what's REAL at the end of our lives or at least many many many years & dreams later"
Yes, that was what crossed my mind instantly, too.
And then I was having another thought. Much time had passed, what if he idolized their time together a little bit?
And what about his wife? He has been married to her for 22 years, quite happily as it seemed; does that mean he did not love her?
My thought was that he did, but maybe differently, and that some people (me included) tend to idolize past passions a little bit too much.
Or my first thought was the right one and it just was as he said it, the real thing.

"I don't see much difference between *that one* and my current NN/NN square (or Composite Saturn/SN) relationship, except maybe for the fact that I don't really run away for it anymore "
Yes, I came to the conclusion, that NN-NN aspects, even if they are squares, might just mean that two lifepaths are interlocking, at least for a certain amount of time.
And the Saturn-node one seems to be very strongly binding, no matter what aspect.

"But no, (still) no feeling of hinder each other's path. "
Would you say that, despite or inmidst of all difficulties, there is an underlying feeling of: it`s worth it, it`s worth all the difficulties?

posted July 22, 2010 07:13 AM            

And ofcourse, how could I forget!
He's 5 years younger than me and his dream of the future is still 'living together' (with me) which is mine definitely NOT (never ever again).
This basic hindrance comes via all sort of superficialities (almost invisible) to light.
And yes, sometimes I feel guitly because I can't give him the future he still longs for and take with that the fact that I can't give him kids anymore ALTHOUGH he said that he doesn't really care about that because he thinks he would set a bad example as a parent/father (addiction-problems for many years).
What is it all worth.. Trust, mainly a deep feeling of trust, a genuine care for each other.. , I'd totally forgotten what it felt like.

posted July 22, 2010 11:06 AM            

Just an observation... perhaps women can deal with being "guided" through their journeys better than fellows can? Typical!

posted July 22, 2010 11:08 AM            

quote:

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In 1986, a visitor to his home found the 80-year-old Olivier sitting alone, watching Leigh in an old film on television

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This is what I want. This is perfect. It's a Jeremy Irons film.

posted July 22, 2010 11:16 AM            

Meta,