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mars.gem
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posted July 19, 2010 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mars.gem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 19, 2010 10:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In time I was togheter with my on and off love I always check when any transit planet go retro. When venus go retro is one for me typical. I also check where progress moon are in both our chart.My exlove is now togheter with one another woman and latest when he helped me to renovate my new flat his PR moon conj my N pluto and my PR moon conj his N venus...

PROGRESS of moon is for me a reliable method to check meetings between people.

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posted July 20, 2010 05:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your synastry chart:


Your progressed and Solar Arc chart:

His progressed and Solar Arc chart:

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posted July 20, 2010 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What jumps out at me at first is your natal Venus-Pluto-opposition. Fat and red dominating the whole image.

Venus-Pluto-people often are very passionate, with a need for very deep emotional experiences. The need can sometimes get that strong that they seek even painful (either physically or emotionally) experiences, just to "feel".
On the other hand if they are otherwise very rational people they might be scared of exactly that instinct inside of them and shy away from such an experience.
But however it is, love and feelings always run very deep. And as it is with Pluto, they have a hard time letting go. It`s almost like they just can`t do that at all.
Your Venus is in your 12th house, so that adds a Neptunian flavour to it on top. You might long for a spiritual union, and your lover may be a secret one, or seemingly unavailable for some reason.
This "unavailablneess" probably would even enhance the intensity of your feeling. On the positive side it could indicate a true spiritual, psychic union with a lover.


Now Jason taps into your Venus big time.
His Pluto opposes your Venus - of course this is generational, but still he could become your "embodied Pluto", you could project your own Pluto on him, so that your Venus is free flowing, free to love.
That would make the ingredients for a strong romantic or passionate attraction to him.
Hsi Mercury links to your Venus-Pluto-opposition, too, so there is also a cerebral, communicative, intellectual link, even though maybe your Pluto did overwhelm his Mercury at times. Especially since his Mercury is in airy Libra, you maybe were some times too deep and profound for him?
His Mercury opposing your Venus could either indicate a very flirtative athmosphere between you, or in worse cases he might have hurt your feelings or even blocked your romantic feelings with a more analytical approach.
Your Venus also trines his Neptune, which falls into your 8th house - he very well could have given you the feeling to have found your soulmate. Magically romantic. Gentle and compassionate.

His Venus and Juno on your DESC - he may have appeared to be true "relationship-material".

His Venus trine your Moon is a sweet connection, too. REally affective between the two of you.

his Jupiter trine your Mercury would be good for a friendship, for a nice friendly enthusiastic intellectual exchange.

His Sun widely conjunct your Mars in your 5th house would make for some stron sexual attraction.
Especially on your side.

His Sun squares your Neptune though.
This may indicate the possibility of deception, dreams, illusions and disillusion and disappointment in the end.


All in all there are not that many connections though.
Maybe that would change if we knew his time of birth, because as of now we don`t know where his Moon and angles are.

You don`t have Saturn-aspects though. This is a bad sign for the staying power of a relationship. Nothing really dooms a relationship,b ut usually long standing couples will have strong Saturn aspects to personal planets.


Is your nodal axis squaring his Saturn? Well, that would of course be a strong bond.Not easy, yet very hard to break away from this one.


His NN on your IC could be a sign of a soulmate connection - at least Robert Blashke mentioned that there is a high possibility with this aspect.

I think I also spotted a DW of NN-Jupiter, square, am I right?
That could be pretty inspirational, and maybe good for a friendship, as Jupiter is very encouraging.


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posted July 20, 2010 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Solar Arc, indicating what is happening in your life right now:


SA ASC conjunct Sun (0°43a)
Sa Venus semisquare Moon (0°45 s)
Sa Neptune square Venus (0°28a)
Sa DESC conjunct Uranus (0°34 s)
Sa Chiron semisquare ASC (0°46 s)


Hmm, eh Venus-Moon aspect might indicate a loving affection in the past.
But there also is Sa Chiron semisquare ASC, separating. In the past you seemed to have experienced some hurt, on a personal and relationship level.
Also Sa Uranus conjunct DESC,s eparating, could indicate a break up of a relationship.

Sa Neptune square venus, applying, so this is just in effect and building up.
With this aspect you have to be a bit careful of wishful thinking. Sometimes love-options that SEE; perfect and magical will turn out to be illusory, elusive or deceptive.
Sa ASC conjunct Sun could indicate a happier time, one in which you will get to know yourself better, and maybe a new relationship could even be a possibility (as Sa DESC opposes Sun at the same time). I am not compeltely sure about this, you would need to ask Geocosmic Valentine for this.
But there is something to look out for in the future, once you left the confusing, sometimes misleading Neptune aspect behind.


His Solar Arc:

Sa Uranus sesisquare Mars (0°42a)

There really not much going on in his Solar Arc chart. Except for that Uranus-Mars-aspect which indicates that he might develop an even greater need and urge to break free from whatever restraints. Aspecting Mars he probably should be careful of one night stands which could have surprising,e ven shocking consequences.
All in all this is an aspect that indicates sudden changes, but also irritations and maybe anger issues. Inner tensions that are not easy to deal with.

I am a bit surprised that your breakup is not indicated in his solar arcs, but probably it is, and we just do not see it as we do not have his birthtime.


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posted July 20, 2010 06:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your progressed synastry for now (which might indicate the chances of getting together now):

your Venus opposite his pr Sun 1-30s
your pr Moon square his pr Saturn 1-23 s

Your pr Venus trine his Sun 0-06a
your pr Venus opposite his Uranus 0-27a

your pr Venus square his pr Mars 2-00a


The separating aspects are in the past.
Venus opposite Sun can indicate a very strong romantic attraction, but most often it indicates people being kept apart or even a break up, if there was an existing relationship.

his pr Saturn squaring your pr Moon indicates a seriously hurting of your feelings, not just the romantic ones, but it feels like he hurt you emotionally very deeply. Or maybe it was a blocking and rejection of your deep emotions?
Like he did not want you to care for him?
In some cases Saturn can be very restrictive and even cold, and that is not easy for a Moon to bear, ESPECIALLY not for a Cancer Moon!

That was int he past though. How long has your break up ago? More than a year?


Anyway, for the present, the applying to exactness aspects.
You actually have a very psoitive one. Sun-Venus trine, which often is a sign of people getting together, as it signals they want to settle down with each other and are affective of each other, though it is not wildly passionate.
But it has almost reached exactness, after that it will quickly lose its strength and completely fade away.

You also have a Venus-Uranus progression. In the beginning it is often indicating a magnetic attraction, love at first sight, but it IS a fling aspect, the aspect of an affair, if not stabilized by other factors.
With him being Uranus, he might feel some sort of electric fascination with you, but an equally urge to pull away, to keep you on a distance, to not committ totally.
He wants to be free.
Not to forget his Solar Arc Mars-Uranus-aspect!
Maybe one day he is hot for you, the next day he is cold, there is nothing stable about this aspect, but it is electric and exciting.


After that you will have a Venus-Mars-square, even though that is some time away still, but maybe you already feel it.
The sexual attraction could be insane with that, or completely unstable.
But other than being sexually attracted to each other, you might argue about everything.
Where this banter could be stimulating at the outset of a relationship or affair, if you have it everyday, it probably quickly loses its appeal.
Even though, you have a natal Venus-Pluto-opposition, so you might actually be able to deal with that tension and even welcome it, as it delivers the intensity you crave for.
He`s got Venus in Scorpio natally squaring Mars in Leo - so he indeed is also rather intense, at least sexually or relationshipwise.

But all in all Venus-Mars squares are actually be better for short affairs, then longterm relationships, especially if you consider the lack of Saturn aspects in your natal synastry.

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posted July 20, 2010 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 20, 2010 07:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree ,DD.
I learned so much from that analysis.
It helped me wrap my mind around the Natal Venus /Pluto.
When I complain about my chart,I should not cuz Pluto was good to me--natally lol


x o x Ami

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posted July 20, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am glad you could gain something from that analysis.
As you know I have a natal Venus-Pluto-square, so I might have been speaking a bit from my own experience.

I think this song was only written for me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbVSHBb3ITg&feature=related

(I think that is not necessarily true for all Plutonians; but in my chart Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are strong, so maybe it`s the mix)

"Laying in the after glow,
I only want to learn what you know,
But now you're leaving...
How many hearts must you break?
How many calls must I make?
But now you're leaving...

In this world, all that I choose has come unbearable
But love is in your touch
Ooh, it's killing me so much

Only when you leave
I need to love you
And when the action has all gone
I'm just a little fool enough to need you
Fool enough too long
Only when you leave, you'll leave in danger
Oh, I'll make sure that you pay
So give a little passion to a stranger
And take this soul away

I only want to make this things last,
So how could this have gone so fast?
And now you're leaving...
How many times must I learn?
It' s only when you've gone that I burn,
And now you're leaving...

In the end, all that I left has come unbearable
It's hard to change your mind,
So leave it all behind

Only when you leave
I need to love you
And when the action has all gone
I'm just a little fool enough to need you
Fool enough too long
Only when you leave, you'll leave in danger
Oh, I'll make sure that you pay
So give a little passion to a stranger
And take this soul away
Quelle: http://lyrics.wikia.com/Spandau_Ballet:Onl...

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posted July 20, 2010 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for rajin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey mars gem,
I apologize at the onset abt hijacking your thread. Your post love thread got my attention. I havebeen trying to figure out the same Qs. as you namely what determines if we get back with an ex.
I have a progressed synastry chart for me and my ex( one one true love). He is a Libra with a saturn transit coming in tomorrow and I think it might make him realize a few things about a relationship.
This is our progressed chart.

What jumps out at me is the moon-Asc conj,the venus-NN conjunction of Mars.Plus my sun, venus, merc, neptune fall in his 11th house of hopes and exes. Do I shine a light on these issues? the NN connnection seems like fated.Venus is separating from mars so is the love fading?

Any opinions are most welcome.

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posted July 20, 2010 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mars.gem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 20, 2010 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mars.gem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted July 20, 2010 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
May I be blunt?

From my observation restarted relationships rarely work.
If they do, it takes much time for the individuals to heal their wounds, to make new experiences, to learn, to mature, and only if they can really leave the past behind, a new start may succeed.

To be honest I was having a pretty uneasy feeling when I was reading your story at two points. The first was how he was trying to persuade you to wear different clothes; why was it THAT important? Did he like you because of your clothes only? Why was your fashion so important?
The other point was you writing that you have been crying so often. Why did you feel you had to cry that much in that relationship? Shouldn`t it make you happy instead of sad?
Well, of course crying has its place in a relationship and can be cathartic, but still, I felt uneasy about it.
Also then it sounded as if you almost deliberately used it to make him care or to express his feelings for you. Didn`t he do this without you crying?
Why not?

Sorry to say that, but it feels pretty manipulative to me, on both sides.
But manipulations are really not a sign of a healthy, happy relationship.

Maybe you two were just too young and immature, I donīt know.

Also, you said he cheated on you. he cheated on you and you consider going back to him?

Okay, people can cheat yes, and sometimes, very rarely, relationships can survive that, but VERY RARELY.
Why did he cheat? Was it a one night stand? Did he feel like he was missing something with you? What? Why did he feel you were not enough? Was it too close? Did he want to break out?

Anyway, so you tried again ... and again. And as you wrote it, you could not trust him anymore. Quite understandable, if you ask me.

I feel, IF this relationship should ever have a chance (and I am not convinced it would be a good idea, astrology aside), both of you need to find out what exactly went wrong, why you behaved the way you did and CHANGE this behavioural pattern, accept each other as individuals, with all the clothes, tears and also a certain reservation regarding emotional expression you have.

But really, do you even WANT him back?
I am talking about HIM, as he is now. Do you want him?
Or are you just longing for the feeling of being in love with him, even the emotional drama, cause it made you feel so deep?
Are you in love with him or with the idea of being in love with him?


I told you I would be blunt. I hope I didn`t offend you though.

Like always, these are just my thoughts.

I really hope you find the right way for you.

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posted July 20, 2010 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic* Valentine     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD,

You hit the nail on the head in so many ways.

I also want to mention that they actually do have 1 Saturn aspect. Her Saturn conjuncts his Jupiter. The Magi would call this "A Nuclear Clash". I wouldn't express it with such a "dooms day" definition, especially if they were involved in politics in some way, shape or form; however, the Jupiter person usually feels that their enthusiam in life is locked down. This is his happy planet and it's already conjunct in his own chart, but her Saturn comes along and sits right on it.

This suggests a control factor placed on his happiness, it deflates the hellium in his balloon and whatever house is ruled by his Jupiter will also feel the effect. So, this is not a longevity aspect.

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posted July 20, 2010 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mars.gem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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