posted July 31, 2010 05:13 PM         

What if i want to know more about the..Past?I go do the Draconics Sabians´:

C-Person+s Anubis cj JOhn+s d.ASC

C-ANUBIS:"AN EMPTY HAMMOCK"---Detachment. Abandonment....this cj my name asteroid in his chart...

John´s ASCENDANT."A YOUNG GIRL FEEDING BIRDS IN WINTER"---Someone is in need of help, someone who may even be the cause of their own problems...

So this tells me that probably C left John when he most needed Help.
let´s see what more comes up:

C-PERSON ic/Dejanira cj John´s LUCIFER

DEJANIRA:"A WOMAN AND TWO MEN (OR A MAN AND TWO WOMEN) CAST AWAY ON A SMALL ISLAND "

". The people shown here seem to be locked into some situation, environment or relationship. This can often, but not always, be about relationship triangles.

john´s LUCIFER: "AN INDIAN GIRL INTRODUCES HER COLLEGE BOYFRIEND TO HER ASSEMBLED TRIBE"

Upsetting the group with alternative behavior. Choosing friends or partners who won't fit in.

c-person KAALI cj JOhn´s name asteroidJONNHY

KAALI:"A GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE SIT IN SPIRITUAL COMMUNION AROUND A CAMPFIRE

jonnh:"HAVING AN URGENT TASK TO COMPLETE, A MAN DOESN'T LOOK TO ANY DISTRACTIONS"

This one i dont know how to interpret.

C-PERSON NESSUS cJ JOhn´s DESC

NESSUS"A RETIRED SEA CAPTAIN WATCHES SHIPS ENTERING AND LEAVING THE HARBOR"

DESC:"A JEWISH RABBI IN A TINY ROOM FULL OF MANUSCRIPTS AND BOOKS, PERFORMING HIS DUTY "

C PERSON MOON 0 AQUA cj J´KARMA 28CAP

MOON:"AN OLD ADOBE MISSION IN CALIFORNIA"

Dogmatism and pushing one's beliefs and ideas on to others. Believing that one has all the answers. Moving in and taking over.

KARMA:"A WOMAN READING TEA LEAVES"

Symbolism that acts to open the pathways to the spiritual center. Reading things. Non verbal clues. Tea and sympathy. Divining the future.

c-person ASCEND 3ARIES (cj composite draco sun)"TWO LOVERS ARE STROLLING THROUGH A SECLUDED WALK"

Being 'selfish'. Keeping one's partner to yourself. Jealousy when others are around.

this squared JOhn´s merc/semisq Kiron

C-PERSON DNA"THREE STAINED-GLASS WINDOWS IN A GOTHIC CHURCH, ONE DAMAGED BY WAR "

Careless aggression where love should be. Religious and philosophical differences sparking off problems. Seeking sanctuary.
Feeling disconnected from the situation, fearfulness. A feeling of being `under attack'. Fear and terrorism in all its forms

the dna CJ JOhn´s MC:TEN LOGS LIE UNDER AN ARCHWAY LEADING TO DARKER WOODS

Preparation for paths unknown. Getting past the past. Tenacity, stamina and energy preservation. Things to consider before moving deeper.

but also cj JOhn+s VICTORIA!"AN INDIAN CHIEF CLAIMS RECOGNITION AND POWER FROM THE ASSEMBLED TRIBE "

Assuming authority. Finding a true sense of place. Charisma. Respect. Having to stand up in the crowd. Staking one's claim.

So probably in a past life C was in the war with JOhn,and John was a Captain,a person of charisma,who was the leadership.AS it is Victoria there,tells me that he did a good job,there was danger,but he did fine.

C-PERSON SUN "PHEASANTS DISPLAY THEIR BRILLIANT COLORS ON A PRIVATE ESTATE"

This pictures a situation of the enjoyment of life's luxuries. Going after one's life goals. Riches, refinement and abundance are everywhere.Luxury. Displays of wealth. Statues and birdbaths. Enjoying the riches the environment offers.
The Caution: Foolish disregard of pending danger and a feeling that one has to be 'on parade' or else they will be overlooked. Issues of standing out from the crowd.

(well i clearly see him like this...he continues to have these issues today,and it is a person frustrated by having no luxuries or people clapping at him...).

C-PERSON PLUTO/MC cj JOHN´S ANGEL

PLUTO/MC: "A SOLDIER RECEIVING TWO AWARDS FOR BRAVERY IN COMBAT"

Repeated bravery. Having the second baby. Medals, tributes or honors given. Tributes.
The Caution: 'Awards' as band-aids for the purposes of assuaging the guilt of the populace that is so often produced in war. Desperate striving for recognition.

JOHN+S ANGEL:"AN ORIENTAL RUG DEALER IN A STORE FILLED WITH PRECIOUS ORNAMENTAL RUGS "

JOHN´S ANGEL EXACT CONJUNCT C-PERSON TYCHE(luck)

i dont see a pattern,but i dont know if i only look at conjunctions or hard aspets,when pertains to know more through sabbian Symbols...

the part of the war makes sense though...

IQ

i dont think anymore that JOhn might have hurted C anymore,and having the guilt factor anymore.

i think it was the other way around.

posted July 31, 2010 05:30 PM         

I can post the synastry... I feel like I did something sooooooooo horrible to this person in a past life, because I can't understand why anyone should feel the way I do from this relation. It was intense love, but the heartache was just as intense. It still is...

posted July 31, 2010 06:33 PM         

Nemesis is an asteroid named after the Goddess of Retribution

Nemesis became synonymous with enemy in modern times.

In Greek mythology, Nemesis (Greek, Νέμεσις , also called Rhamnousia/Rhamnusia ("the goddess of Rhamnous") at her sanctuary at Rhamnous, north of Marathon, was the spirit of divine retribution against those who succumb to hubris (arrogance before the gods). The Greeks personified vengeful fate as a remorseless goddess. The name Nemesis is related to the Greek word νέμειν [némein], meaning "to give what is due". The Romans equated the Greek Nemesis with Invidia. (Aronoff 2003).

"Nemesis" is now often used as a term to describe one's worst enemy, normally someone or something that is the exact opposite of oneself but is also somehow similar. For example, Professor Moriarty is frequently described as the nemesis of Sherlock Holmes.

Inexorable divine retribution is a major theme in the Hellenic world view, providing the unifying theme of the tragedies of Sophocles and many other literary works. Hesiod states: "Also deadly Nyx bore Nemesis an affliction to mortals subject to death." (Theogony, 223, though perhaps an interpolated line). Nemesis appears in a still more concrete form in a fragment of the epic Cypria.

She is the implacable executrix of justice: that of Zeus in the Olympian scheme of things, but it is clear she existed prior to him, as her images look similar to several other goddesses, such as Cybele, Rhea, Demeter and Artemis.[1]
Nemesis, Roman marble from Egypt, 2nd century AD (Louvre)

As the "Goddess of Rhamnous", Nemesis was honored and placated in an archaic sanctuary in the isolated district of Rhamnous, in northeastern Attica. There she was a daughter of Oceanus, the primeval river-ocean that encircles the world. Pausanias noted her iconic statue there. It included a crown of stags and little Nikes and was made by Pheidias after the Battle of Marathon (490 BC), crafted from a block of Parian marble brought by the over-confident Persians, who had intended to make a memorial stele after their expected victory.
[edit] Origins

Nemesis has been described as the daughter of Oceanus or Zeus, but according to Hesiod she was a child of Erebus and Nyx. She has also been described as the daughter of Nyx alone. Her cult may have originated at Smyrna.

In some metaphysical mythology, Nemesis produced the egg from which hatched two sets of twins: Helen of Troy and Clytemnestra, and the Dioscuri, Castor and Pollux. While many myths indicate Zeus and Leda to be the parents of Helen of Troy, the author of the compilation of myth called Bibliotheke notes the possibility of Nemesis being the mother of Helen; Nemesis, to avoid Zeus, turns into a goose, but he turns into a swan and mates with her. Nemesis in her bird form lays an egg that is discovered in the marshes by a shepherd, who passes the egg to Leda. It is in this way that Leda comes to be the mother of Helen, as she kept the egg in a chest until it hatched[2].
[edit] Fortune and retribution

The word Nemesis originally meant the distributor of fortune, neither good nor bad, simply in due proportion to each according to his deserts; then, nemesis came to suggest the resentment caused by any disturbance of this right proportion, the sense of justice which could not allow it to pass unpunished. O. Gruppe (1906) and others connect the name with "to feel just resentment". From the 4th century onwards, Nemesis, as the just balancer of Fortune's chance, could be associated with Tyche.

In the Greek tragedies Nemesis appears chiefly as the avenger of crime and the punisher of hubris, and as such is akin to Atë and the Erinyes. She was sometimes called Adrasteia, probably meaning "one from whom there is no escape"; her epithet Erinys ("implacable") is specially applied to Demeter and the Phrygian mother goddess, Cybele.
[edit] Local cult

A festival called Nemeseia (by some identified with the Genesia) was held at Athens. Its object was to avert the nemesis of the dead, who were supposed to have the power of punishing the living, if their cult had been in any way neglected (Sophocles, Electra, 792; E. Rohde, Psyche, 1907, i. 236, note I).

At Smyrna there were two manifestations of Nemesis, more akin to Aphrodite than to Artemis. The reason for this duality is hard to explain; it is suggested that they represent two aspects of the goddess, the kindly and the implacable, or the goddesses of the old city and the new city refounded by Alexander. The martyrology Acts of Pionius, set in the "Decian persecution" of AD 250–51, mentions a lapsed Smyrnan Christian who was attending to the sacrifices at the altar of the temple of these Nemeses.
[edit] Rome
Nemesis on a brass sestertius of Hadrian, struck at Rome AD 136.

Invidia (sometimes called Pax-Nemesis) was also worshipped at Rome by victorious generals, and in imperial times was the patroness of gladiators and of the venatores, who fought in the arena with wild beasts, and was one of the tutelary deities of the drilling-ground (Nemesis campestris). Invidia was sometimes, but rarely, seen on imperial coinage, mainly under Claudius and Hadrian. In the 3rd century AD there is evidence of the belief in an all-powerful Nemesis-Fortuna. She was worshipped by a society called Hadrian's freedman. The poet Mesomedes wrote a hymn to Nemesis in the early 2nd century CE, where he addressed her

Nemesis, winged balancer of life,
dark-faced goddess, daughter of Justice,

and mentioned her "adamantine bridles" that restrain "the frivolous insolences of mortals."

In early times the representations of Nemesis resembled Aphrodite, who herself sometimes bears the epithet Nemesis. Later, as the maiden goddess of proportion and the avenger of crime, she has as attributes a measuring rod (tally stick), a bridle, scales, a sword and a scourge, and rides in a chariot drawn by griffins.

posted August 03, 2010 07:35 AM         

RASP

posted August 03, 2010 08:07 AM         

woman+s chart:

- Kaali cj Sun in 3RD Square Mars/Saturn/LUCIFER
- NESSUS cj DNA 4TH square Jup/Pluto/karma
- IXION SCORP cj DSC trine sun and square Proserpina
- URANUS in 7th semisq mars/saturn
- DEJANIRA cj HERACLES Pisces 11TH square Moon(ruler 3rd 4th),venus,and kikunkx mars/Saturn
-KARMA opose Pluto and square NESSUS

so we can see that there was a nessus theme in her life,with nessus sesquisqaure her dejanira/heracles.and also with kaali cj sun,indicated a strong darker hint in her personality and dna cj nessus....

SINASTRY

-HER NESSUS cj his ASC
-His NESSUS cj her DNA

- her PROSERPINA/anubis cj his KAALI
- her LUCIFER cj his Sun
- Her DSC/IXION cj his Ixion
- Her KAALI cj his NN
- her NEPTUNE square his Anubis/Proserpina
- her Kiron square his kaali/Dejanira
- her LUCIFER square his NN kikx KARMA
- her DNA square his LUCIFER and KARMA
- her PROSERPINA opose his Moon and sq IXIon
- her DEJANIRA sesquisquares his ASC
- her NESSUS sk his Pluto and kikunkx Proserpina
- her IXION/ASC squars his Moon

it clearly shows the theme of jealousy,power controls and manipulation that he was object of,from her.at 1st he didnt saw it,but became stronger and wide openly she showed that she had the upper hand.it was when he cut out the relationship drastically.

COMPOSITE

-NN semisquare Kiron.here we already see what was the basis of the relatisonhp:wounds

- KAALI CJ NESSUS- REMEBER THAT joHN ALSO HAD THIS WITH HIS BROTHER??

- kaali/nessus is also cj VENUS square ruller 7th and square KARMA TOO.

- PROSERPINA IS CJ IC CJ ANUBIS - so here we see clearly the proserpina theme,along with anubis,hitting the deepest core of te relationship.both semisquare LUCIFER

- SATURN CJ LUCIFER CJ PLUTO IN LIBRA IN 5TH. tHIS BY ITSELF IS HUGE!!!

-NEPTUNE IS cj DSC ( hence probably why JOhn didnt saw what was happening before it was too late,and he already was deeply traumatized and feeling with no power at all).

-MOON was in the 8th ( very powerful i guess)but kikunx ruler IC,squared SATURN/LUCIFER

- KARMA WAS sqaure KAALI/VENUS/NESSUS

posted August 03, 2010 08:15 AM         

NEMESIS in synastry is best used as "Enemy". The good are the enemy of the bad and vice versa. In personal charts, NEMESIS represents those characteristics that are most likely to cause self sabotage.

Hi Rasp,
Do post the charts or natal info of the one who hurt you so much emotionally. Bring some closure to it, and you wont feel so bad.

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posted August 03, 2010 08:57 AM         

you´re right indeed---Poor Jonhy!so much karma!--- as soon as i saw the nessus/asc conjunction....it didn't needed much more to look at.

did you noticed the theme here?JOhn has both with is bro and this woman,the kaali/nessus cj in Composite.

do you think that it´s part of the 29th vibraton day of birth?

i saw Glaucu´s and C Edgar´s description of it and it fits.karmic burden that wont be eased unless the person lets go of the need to sacrifice himself for others,and starts to be optimistic,trusting and have Faith in life and in Him,without other´s manipulation games.

C. is currently the vampire phsysic impeding John+s personal happiness.i see that he gave his power onto C.just cause of his asc cancer thing,he gets easily hurt if the parents accuse him or the brother of not helping out.

this goes for ages as you know.and it was why J.got out of home at 17 to live in a room ( for his brother of 27yr old to stay at home living with his gf in John´s room)...and that was when he met the woman-Nessus.

this is all tied up IQ.

If John perpetuates this,and doesnt fight against it,i dont see a way out.i do my best,but still he doesnt see it.

why was he born with a Cancer ASc,if its his family that stands in the way of his Soul+s fullfillment and heart+s desire?

posted August 03, 2010 09:42 AM         

( this a BIG Suprise smiley like...asking Why did you say that??)

awww thank you for that wonderful complimment.!im not used to hear that often,so thank you.

Do you say that cause of my obssession of dark asteroids? must be the pluto in my 1st and pluto is currently approaching my IC...

believe me...im not more than anyone else here but im aware that ive changed a lot in the later times...i decided to grow up!

posted August 03, 2010 09:46 AM         

we have to recognise certain things before we can overcome them. you, my dear are an overcomer.

posted August 03, 2010 10:00 AM         

Thank you CPN for those wonderful words.they go really deep when you say that.it´s also because i know that there are more and more peole like you - who see beyond-that makes all this work worth it.

there s a lot of Faith and Hope to the World.

posted August 03, 2010 10:42 AM         

Nemesis would have a double meaning.

Many of these asteroids

Take Reiki for instance? Even though Reiki is the name of a Japanese universal energy healing art, the asteroid was named after an astronomer.

Therefore, Reiki asteroid doesn't necessarily mean universal energy healing ability but also ability as an astronomer.

Even the asteroid, astrowizard which some use an asteroid for astrology, it was named after an astronomer. Astronomers aren't necessarily astrologers and vice versa. There is complete split between astronomers and astrologers.

astrowizard could be strong in charts of astrologers but it could also be strong in the charts of astronomers.

another example is Niger

Niger is an asteroid that is named after a country in Africa.

Niger is also the Latin word for black.

so the asteroid, Niger could be used for both the country of Niger and black

Turkey is an asteroid named after a country in Asia.

Turkey is also the name of a type bird whose meat is often eaten at Thanksgiving

so the asteroid, Turkey could be used for both the country and the bird.

There are so many other examples

like Lucifer

Lucifer could be used as Satan,Devil

it could also be uses as Morninstar, bearer of light

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 03, 2010 04:04 PM         

well yes..but i believe in the law of attraction adn i believe that the asteroid will influence us,in the same extend as we feel its specific meaning to us.

like for instance,i always saw Nessus as a dark archetype.always.and to this day ive never seen nessus play a positive influence when its aspected in hars aspect with the other dark asteroids,and also axis ( wether in natal or in sinastry).

Nemesis - like IQ said,i also consider that only to the extend of the "enemy" and if i go see it,makes sense:

the person standing in the way of me and my Bf ( which i see as an enemy) as his sun/nemeesis cj my Descendant!and in composite---NN cj NEMESIS kikxz Pluto---so yes,i see that as proving the theory.

Lucifer-the beared of Light? ---hmm i dont see that either.

this person has his Lucifer(r) in 5th trine his sun/DNA ( yes its deeply into his dna code and personality) and this cj My Moon.

now...is he my beared of Light?No...he is the bearer or dark energy to me,and makes me feel sick and drained just by standing next to him....he literally sucks out all my emotional stability you know..

REIKI?

well my mother has the Master Degree in Reiki.let´s see her chart note that she doesnt know anything about astrology or astronomy)

Reiki cj Plutoin 11th opose her mars(ruler 8th)and trine FELICITAS:she always wanted to work her healing energy( her dream 11th),and help others to be transformed(Pluto)into their natural state of healthyness of Soul/Body/Mind/Spirit.

So whenever i use a specific asteroid,and i give its significance,its the one that works for me and for those i studied.

Each one of us works with what works with us,so i stick to that.

if these doesnt work for you,its fine.

we´re all adults learning what makes us happy,and this makes me extremelly happy:more and more i see that astrology is infact a Science,that helps us much more that what we would expect,at first.

For me,it has helped me know more of myself,at a deep level,not only in this lifetime,but also in previous ones.

this is My Truth and im glad i am reaching it,with the help of people here of LL.

but just because its my Truth,doenst mean it will be the same for everybody else.i respect it,and dont pretend to know it all.

but till now,all of my researches confirmed the significance i gave to these specific asteroids ( it´s was not ME who gave its meaning,but the meaning that IQ gave it,i feel those are the more accurate).