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letram
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posted July 29, 2010 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
is there anything you can speak on about this aspect, you spoke of it being a favorable conjunction almost always found in most successful long term relationships.

i found this in ours but the conjunct is wide (5 orb), is it too wide? i would like to know what this aspect might mean anyway if it doesnt count for us!


i found her Karma on my ASC in our draconic-draonics also

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posted July 29, 2010 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Letram Im sure IQ will give you some info on this, but this one kind of speaks to me and since I have some free time right now, I had to jump in.

There is an underlying factor that puts weight on your relationship.
Whether it remains romantic or not is up to you. But it is clear that you have a relationships that will play out slowly but surely over time. Because like IQ said Saturn aspecting the Moon is a weighty one and indicates the necessity to be together...not necessarily for the sake of being together though...and this is what you must understand...its not about flowers and candy its about learning some lessons that will help you on your lifepath....Saturn has lessons to teach the Moon and the Moon despite being sensitive at times had better listen for continued growth or it can be easy to feel restricted by Saturn....that is the danger in this.
A higher level of resonance must be attained in order for the connection to stay positive.
But if you are the Moon and you are ready to learn and grow and release old emotional patterns in a permanent life sustaining way then you have the perfect vehicle to get you there in this aspect. Saturn to will be soften by the Moons emotions and sense Saturn is always located around where whe have self esteem issues, this relationship is a vehicle to nurturing them and healing ourself..which usually takes us back to the past....especially if it is a receptive sign.
The basic idea as Linda would say with this aspect is to "lighten up"! lol
Remember the stress of the learning process is not as painful as the loneliness would be if you parted.

I dont think the orbs are two wide. I give wider orbs than most...but for sure the Moon and Sun can be given 5 degree orbs as they are the biggest and most important luminaries.

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posted July 29, 2010 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
ORBM
That was an awesome explanation.
Could I please ask you a question?
Would Pluto conjunct moon in synastry be the same way--or similar?
Thanks for any help.


Ami


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I do unto others what they do unto me, only worse.
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letram
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posted July 29, 2010 10:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
thanks alot of your input!

its my D. Saturn conjunct her D. Moon in aquarius.

aquarius is a fixed sign, i am going to guess its nnot the best sign for this placement with aquarius desiring freedom.

However, i ,am aware there is -saturanian-aquarian types (saturn co-ruler of aquarius)

also, natally she can handle saturn i believe.. 1 she has put up so far with my hard saturn aspect on her personal points (my saturn square her venus and oppose her asc) she has Moon in saturn(i meant moon in capricorn lol), DSC in capricorn, and venus in the 10th. all pretty saturn. she is an Aquarius sun also. saturn conjunct mars, and i think its an important note that her ASC ruler (moon) is in capricorn, so there must be strong affinity including the dsc in capricorn, to handle the saturn energy.

saturn is strong in my chart too, saturn in the 5th, square moon, trine mars**, square venus, conjunct neptune, oppose jupiter.

possibly a slightly wide quincunx to asc.

i have tried hard to stay aware of the hard aspect by my saturn, its not easy as its heavily afflicted in my chart and certainly an insecure spot for me..

but i am quite mature in ways and i have strived and tried hard to keep any kind of saturnian criticism of mine reasonable, and not subjective, but more objective. the only difficulty i have sometimes is keeping it positive in tone, it can kind of 'break her down' which isnt my conscious intention i t just seems to be my attempt to show with great clarity what is Wrong.

her saturn squares my venus and trines my sun, so she has some saturn influence over me also, but i have played out saturn much stronger.

hmm, i just noticed her D. moon is trine my draconic sun by 5 orb.

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posted July 29, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Ami...
Now this will behave differently than Saturn from what I have seen
It to involves past life Karma but there is more strength of Emotions involved here. However you decided to deal with it..the bond is strong but not necessarily binding like Saturn is. You could simply have come together for the transformation and thats it. So it is faster and more intense as length of time plays no part here.


Here Pluto will cause the Moon to go through a Scorpio like transformation if they are able to see it through.
So for a lower level conscious individual it can be extremely difficult to see the forest because of the trees...and this is the catch here Ami...if this happens..us meeting someone whos Pluto is conjunct or oppose our Moon it usually because we need this transformation. The Universe has decided that our Emotions..or our Energy as it were is not resonating as it should. And that we really need to "see" ourselves. As the Game is all about growth and ascension.
You see this is what Pluto does to the Moon...he sees exactly what lies at the heart of the matter...all of your lower level resonations if they still exist in your Aura will rise to the top like scummy dross as Gold is heated in a refinery.
Sometimes this can be hard to handle...the truth about ourselves...IE: our tendency to want to possess in love, or to obsess in love will come up if we do...and our emotional issues whatever they are will surface..and this can be scary for most.
But the key here is not to judge...only accept...and not to act on.
Remember handling our Energy in a perfect way consists of making the right decisions.

Perfection= The ability to choose between right and wrong and choose right...........consistently.

Once this happens the Energy will not be so bad...in fact it can resonate on a higher level. Just as a Scorpion upon his last spiritual transformation becomes a dove...so will the Moons perception of reality as well as themselves...offering them the ability to see deeper into lifes meaning and into the situations around them. The Moon will never be the same so the relationship will always be significant..IF it is seen through.
Pluto for sure has the upper hand here. But he too will be softened as the location of Pluto in our charts show where we go through transfomation ourselves...our secret pysches are located here and parts of ourselves that we do not understand, the Moon here can nurture this process and possibly help us be ok with integrating our darker issues into our lives by not judging us and helping us to see that the Darker side of our nature cannot be denied, no it must infact be explored as that is the path to healing this time coming from lifetimes of dense darkness. To me the Moon takes Pluto to the closet and shows him that his "monsters" are in fact harmless for the most part. And if they arent...well then you know why you met each other.

Underlying this all is a powerful attraction of the two..if they are lovers and mates they will have an intenses sexual relationship this really is the vehicle through which they transform.
We deny the power in sex often. But here we can see that the highest level of transformation with this aspect is achieved though the sexual interaction...it is what keeps us coming back for more until we are done and the transformation is complete...how else to break an addict but give him what he is addicted to until he has had enough.....if it is platonic then attraction stays in the higher Chakras and limits a complete transformation because it is not as intense....hence the attraction is seen more as mental and the transformation not as intense as its not from the ground up so to speak.

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posted July 29, 2010 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
You are so awesome,ORBM. If I could,I would kiss you for your generousity.


Ami


PS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lMlJkIGFiE&feature=fvst

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posted July 29, 2010 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
ORBM do you think such a description applies to her D. Pluto oppose my D. Moon?

nvm, the aspect is too wide at 7 orb

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oneruledbymars
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posted July 29, 2010 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Haha...Ami Ann! YOU are amazing...

You are so right..I always feel like sexually healing comes from that placement.
Haha...I will send that to my clients who have this placement in there synastry charts.
Love it!

Letram:
It would be, but it wouldnt be so noticeable you know...it would be like an undercurrent to the relationship perhaps something you sense every now and then, but is not consistent.
For instance you are intensely attracted to her sexually at times and perhaps your are jealous of her at times but you dont act on it and so dont consider yourself a jealous person...thats just an example of how it hints as to what is going on.

For you the Saturn and Moon in Aquarius is tough on her. You are right it is not the best but you she chose it. So there must be a reason for her to attract you into her life.
You must remember it is binding...so its not that she so much put up with it as that she feels like there is a commitment between you two that is strong enough to see this aspect through.

You have chosen this to deal with your own insecurities based on the aspects to your own Saturn that you revealed.

It is a Karmic soulmate relationship for sure. A vehicle for growth over the long term. Perhaps you should try a different approach instead of showing her what is wrong by your words. Show her what is wrong by your actions...and allow her the free will to say no to what you suggest.

You may have the upper hand as the Saturn but you must realize that by taking the higher octave of love...IE: unconditional love and compassion...then you can help resolve your own insecurities...perhaps you are afraid of losing her but at the same time cannot accept her for who she is.
So change yourself...and by changing yourself you will no longer feel the need to change her.
I hope that makes sense?.....

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posted July 29, 2010 02:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
were both highly attracted to eachother physicallly, it might even be her who is more so, as for jelousy, i have been jelous of some things but they are not so much to do with her personally but just some things shes 'acheived' which i don't wish to go into.

i really appreciate your advice, i never thought of it, it is an excellent idea and i will definitely try this approach sometimes, i just hope she catches on is all.

i have always given her the freedom to say no, that is my principle in relationships, as is makign decisions together.

in my own defense, alot of things iv had to say about smethings, were the ONLY way it could be done, and me doing by action would not work, or be appropriate.

were both very attatched to eachother, i was attracted to her since i ever saw and met her but it awas actually her who made the move. and a worthy not is her aqua sun is conjunct my progressed DSC in aquarius exact at th emoment, and was within 1 orb of so at the time we met.

my dsc is in aquarius. its possible i attracted her into my life as much if not more so than she did me. her sun is natally in my 7th and conjunct my NN within 1 orb, oppose my sun within 1 orb.

what really helps is her uranus and juptier and mars trine my sun tightly, making 3 grand trines. in fact its a kite. (my leo sun @ 27, her sag mars @ 25, her jupiter @ 25 aries, and her sun in aquarius at 26) so my sun completes a few grandtrines and one kite. the most potent being the grand trine of fire planets in all 3 fire suns (leo sun/jupiter aries/mars sagit) or kite if i include her sun which is nother fire planet!

what really helps the most though is my moon conjuncts her Venus by 1 orb. and her Moon trines my venus by 3 orb. (mutual reception)

this venus moon is what really helps the hard saturn aspects smooth out alot mroe than they probably could be, we never get nasty or vicious in the slightest if we have a disagreement, always remain forgiving, sorry if need be, and loving in the end, ti always prevails most


we have a wide venus-oppose-venus which probably helps in our interactions being peaceful? (venus)

it makes perfect sense, and i in ways, i think we both have changes to make

thanks so much for your input ORBM, especially the advice, thankyou, iv wanted advice in general how to deal with square aspects but particularly the hard aspcts involving saturn as they are hardest we have in the chart.

this is our draconic synastry (just the charts next to eachother) there is quite a few hard aspects

her/me
venus trine pluto
venus oppose mars
venus trine chiron
mars sextile venus
saturn sextile venus
uranus sextile venus
moon square venus
sun trine venus
jupiter opposition venus
pluto opposition moon
mars square sun
moon trine sun
mercury trine mercury
moon opposition jupiter
neptune trine moon
moon conjunct saturn
moon conjunct /uranus
sun opposition sun

is her saturn @ 6 orb too wide to trine my moon?

thankyou

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posted July 30, 2010 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Excellent explanation by ORBM!
Lertran, the 6 degree orb will cause a weak effect, and please understand that this Draconic Synastry is more indicative of hwat happened in the past lifelines.
Being more forgiving and mutually indulgent to emotional needs will easily tackle any negative karmic debts from this aspect.

I also explained your Nessus on the Sociopathy thread.

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posted July 30, 2010 05:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
IQ,

I was wondering something..

Since in Draconic synastry we also check connection to TROPICAL planets, and the tropical is the chart of the present incarnation, wouldn`t the past have certain influences on the NOW, too?


I just see it was draco-Draco, right?
That would be completely staying in the past, do you agree with that? (Unless of course there is a link to a tropical planet or angle)

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