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CrazyAquarian
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posted July 29, 2010 05:15 PM
 
When you finally get someone's birth time and find out their Asc are you ever like NO WAY?!?!
WOW! My mother has an Aquarius Ascendant? NO FING WAY!!! I don't see it, well she can come off the .....wtf? But she oh wow, I need some time for this to sink in and let it mush in my brain  She doesn't seem like one except for the fact that she can come off strange, but from an Sun Aqua point of view it doesn't seem like the Aqua strange, its not in a good way....I think that's a good strange Maybe her other placements twist that? I was not expecting that....maybe her birth certificate is wrong? woah....And they usually say that you get along who have same Sun as you Asc or Asc as your sun....her Cancer must take over. O_O------------------
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letram
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posted July 29, 2010 05:32 PM
maybe from the relationship you've had, your mothers sun has always shown and been more apparent to you than the asc.the asc is how we react to situations etc. it is the mask, not the inside. since she is your mother i think you wouldve always seen whats beneath the mask on a more consistent basis. my mother is a virgo asc and leo sun but i see and know the leo way more despite the virgo stellium. wwhats her moon sign also? consider that. im pretty sure anyone who knew me either well or to an extent and was into astrology but didnt know my chart, would be surprised i was a leo asc, i surprised a girl once that i was even a leo sun. what aspects does your mother have to the asc if any? and her ruler uranus sign placement and house?
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Ami Ann
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posted July 29, 2010 05:35 PM
I don't think my Scorpio ASC has shown since my early teens.
Now, hopefully ,it is.
I need it .
I will ask people I know and see what they say. I bet it did NOT show.
Ami
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Musette
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posted July 29, 2010 05:36 PM
You should take in to account *your* Moon sign when looking at your relationship with your mother. Your Moon sign is the filter on that relationship, and how you view her. My siblings and I all have different Moon signs, and it's uncanny how we each view Mom as having the traits of our own Moons. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 29, 2010 05:37 PM
Musette
Could you explain in more detail(with examples of the specific moons etc) That is fascinating. Ami ------------------
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CrazyAquarian
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posted July 29, 2010 06:45 PM
People aren't surprised when they hear my Rising sign, it's obvious to those close to me. I also wasn't surprised when I found out two others that I am close to. One I even guess correctly! Proud of that Her Moon Sign is Sag but that would be closer to Aqua than Cancer. Aspects.....opposite mercury. O_O That why I'm always...."what on earth are you talking about?" She doesn't make sense. Doesn't connect. But that's what I thought was maybe Aqua about her. But since I'm Aqua wouldn't I not find her odd? Also square Saturn....hmmm. And Chiron in the First house, but how would Chiron affect her? I don't know much about it. Her Uranis is in Leo in her 6th house. My Moon is Scorpio, so we have a rough relationship.------------------
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Musette
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posted July 29, 2010 07:51 PM
Sure, Ami. If you think about how the Moon reflects light in the sky, it gives you an idea of how it functions in a person. The reflection/"reflexes" of the Moon are usually just labeled "emotions," but emotional character consists of a lot of things: feelings, reactions, subconscious patterns, instincts, etc. These are all things that are learned from birth, before there's verbal communication. The sensation of feeling warmth, being fed, etc. For most people, these originated with the mother, and how safe or secure they feel depends on the care they receive from her, and they model their emotions based on the care they received from her. The Moon shows what you need in order to feel secure, in order to be "emotionally satisfied." You can look at the rest of the chart and how it relates to the Moon in order to see if the needs were met. The type of care a person receives as an infant/child is based on what the mother is like during that time, so the Moon shows what Mom was like during that time. This view of the Mom carries over in to adulthood, even though as an adult most people can develop understanding as far as why Mom did or didn't do what she did. For example, I have a good friend who has Moon in Libra in the 9th House. She had a very dysfunctional relationship with her Mother and when she talks about her she remembers her as a glamorous socialite with no substance and no desire to be home. I was with her and her sister one day when my friend just turned to her sister and asked, "Where was Mom? Where was she? I don't remember her ever being there for us. She was always at parties." And her sister, who has Moon in Taurus in the fourth house said, "Are you nuts? She was always there for us. You were the one who was always out someplace else. Mom never left us. She hated parties." Now, that doesn't give a full picture of who their Mom really was as a person, but it shows how two people raised by the same Mom experienced different emotional models that are closely represented by their Moon signs (Libra = glamourous, social, vapid / Taurus = dependable, stable, boring). That's just being basic and simplistic as I really don't like to stereotype signs too much. I think the nicest thing about the Moon is that when you get old enough, you can use it to provide your own nurturing. So if you didn't get what you needed, you have to opportunity to provide it to yourself. I have a book that talks about healing meditations based on Moon signs, and I've seen a lot of information out there on healing through the Moon. CrazyAquarian, Scorpio Moon is a well-known indicator of a difficult childhood that usually contained trust/abandonment problems and occassionally abuse. Not that it always means that's what happened! But even the Scorpio Moon people I know who had a happy, stable childhood have some difficulty relating to their mother or resent her for some reason. They are very deeply aware people, though. IP: Logged |
letram
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posted July 29, 2010 08:01 PM
nice explaination musette, very accurate, i agree. i also think our moon represents how we interact with our mother and behave toward her. i also think the 4th house can be relevent if a planet is in it.
my mother most definitely lives up to my moon and my 4th house planet (pluto)
she was very intense and arien during my childhood and overbearing and domineering, strong willed and plutonic. why? because she has a disorder - bipolar, and my mother very much suffered in the 'hypermanic' state than the depressed one, and anyone who has experience with people who suffer bipolar and have experienced their energy and dispositon and personality during such a state will tell you the person is intense and very willful. my mother lives up to this Objectively, not just the window view of her i have in my chart. my mother is a 1st house pluto person, intense, willful, etc. she also is a leo sun & mars (both in the 12th) with moon in cancer.
my mother never was bad to me, but very protective, and controlling in a protective sense.
but i witnessed her hypermanic behaviour very much through out my childhood of being raised. my moon is in aries in the 9th house, square saturn/neptune/jupiter, wide opposite venus. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 29, 2010 08:27 PM
 Musette
Thank you for that helpful explantion.
I have Cancer moon in the 8th conjunct Cancer mars (8 degrees) in the 9th house.
Other than that the moon is unaspected.
What do you think?
I feel really greedy and bad for asking so many things but I couldn't stop myself 
If you don't want to answer --no problem.
I know the astrologers on here get tired with people picking their brains, constantly.
Ami
PS My hobby is Handwriting Anaylsis. I have been doing it for 20 years so I am good lol
If I ever say I do this--everyone at a party or a dinner table shoves their handwriting at me and I get exhausted.
Also, if I see bad handwriting, I think,"Oh, Noooo, WHAT am I gonna say? Then, I get REALLY tired trying to say something nice when the handwriting is terrible
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Musette
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posted July 29, 2010 11:21 PM
Letram, I agree that the Moon shows how we relate and interact with our mother, and also what we think of as "motherhood" - and for women what kind of mothering they try to provide for their children. Ami, I don't think you are greedy for asking questions. Cancer Moons are typically more emotional than Cancer Sun people, and since Cancer is the ultimate nurturer, many Cancer Moon people have an extreme attachment to their mother - whether that's good or bad depends on the individual. They usually view their mother as emotional and moody, mainly because the Cancer Moon picks up so easily on emotions. Dependency is a big theme for them. Liza Minelli is an example of a Cancer Moon, in that her mother was an extreme influence on her and she actually took on the role of caretaker for Judy Garland. When the Moon is conjunct Mars, Mars will tend to "swallow" the Moon and make the emotions more immediate and intense. Looking at it being in the 8th house from a Buddhist Astrology view, did your mother have anxiety problems? Or issues with detachment? Sudden detachments? In general, the Mars and Moon conjunction plus the 8th house would add a shade of Aries/Scorpio to the idea of Mom, so intense emotions and anger would be tied in to an extreme need to play the role of both mother and child. Did you take care of your mother? Like if she threw plates because she was angry, did you clean up after her and keep it hush hush because her real actions didn't go along with the storybook idea of "mommy" and what mommies are supposed to do? You don't have to answer, I'm just throwing out some Cancer Moon in 8th house scenarios. I've also seen a lot of Cancer Moon people who did not receive the care they needed become the ultimate parents. A guy I know with Cancer Moon had a bad time as a child as his mother was abusive. As a parent, he is more of a mother than his wife. He goes above and beyond to always be there for his kids, like the ideal parent. Because he wanted that Cancer nurturing and care so badly, and he idealizes it as what a parent represents, he insists on providing it to his children. I hope this all makes sense. If not, I'll be back on LL sometime tomorrow so you can ask about anything. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 30, 2010 02:33 AM
((( Musette ))) YES--that was exactly my life with my mother. If you ask ANY of my friends ,even ones on here , they will tell me ,"GET OVER IT" 
*I* had to take care of her and then be "hush--hush" cuz a mother was not supposed to be like that.
One thing that really helps about reading it is that God must have had it in the plan.If not,how could you (or Astrology lol) know it?
That is one thing about Astrology that really gives me comfort.
The Bible says "God numbers every hair on your head"
To me, things like your telling me this is an example.
Thank you So very much for your generousity! x o x Ami IP: Logged |
starkiss1
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posted July 30, 2010 02:49 AM
Musette, you are starting to seriously intrigue me, LOL  IP: Logged |
Diablo
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posted July 30, 2010 08:22 AM
Musette, you just described me and my family.I'm a cancer sun with a Libra moon (aries asc..full on cardinal) while my younger brother is a cancer sun/cancer moon while my sister is a capricorn with a scorpio moon. The way you described your Libra moon friend's relationship with her own mother is exactly how it is with mine. My mum was 21 when she had me and when I was little she used to leave me with my grandparents on weekends to go out and party but when my brother and sister came along, she stayed at home all the time and stopped going out. My brother and sister have a very close relationship with her as she's always been there for them but I was the kid she didn't want. That's how I remember my mother; glamorous, a devastating beauty who everyone adores like Marsha Brady. Pushed me to do well in school and get into uni and to be a feminine woman so I might find myself a rich husband one day (we both got Taurus Venus) whereas I've always seen her as superficial and playing that sweet, damsel in distress act that everyone falls for. We don't get along because I'm the only 1 in her life to stand up to her whereas my bro and sis wouldn't dare cos they know their big sister is gonna do it instead and let me take the fall. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted July 30, 2010 08:41 AM
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Musette, you are starting to seriously intrigue me, LOL
Musette rocks,Girlfriend 
Ami
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Ami Ann
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posted July 30, 2010 08:48 AM
Dear Diablo
Have you ever done a synastry of you and your mother.
I wonder if you have a strong planet like Mars/Pluto on one of her personal planets?
You must have heard me share about this but when I did a synastry with my parents , my life became much clearer.
Both of their Pluto's are in exact conjunction with my Cancer moon(poor, beleagured guy who did not have a chance He is like Woody Allen )
My mothers Sun is in exact conjunction to my Chiron.
Her Neptune is in exact conjunction with my Pluto.
Ami
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Diablo
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posted July 30, 2010 09:44 AM
I've had a quick look at it but haven't really looked into it much.Lots of squares and trines. A few conj. here and there. My moon opposes her Jupiter..I did financially drain my parents of thousands for all the therapy they paid for when I was an emotionally disturbed teenager. My mercury aspects to her are good, all sextilles and trines with 1 square. Her moon opposes my Saturn, she was probably the one person who was sexually repressive My mars sq. her mercury is the only negative mars aspect, Her mars squares my uranus. If you looked at our synastry, you'd think we had the best, most loving mother/daughter r/ships. I've always said, its love/hate. When we fight, we're like Saturn & Uranus opposing each other. When we're not, we're the best of friends and closer than sister cos I am pretty much a DNA replica of her. IP: Logged | |
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