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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
I was just wondering if anyone still believes in the cusps. You know like if you were born on July 20 then you would be considered a Cancer-Leo?

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raspberri
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posted July 31, 2010 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
You have to look at the birth chart with exact time of birth; you're one or the other.

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zanarkand112
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posted July 31, 2010 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, I am a believer, because I am proof that they do have an influence. And I have met many others. Even the great psychic Edgar Cayce stated that "Sign cusps are the submerging of one influence and the beginning of another." Anything on the 29th degree of a sign is known being on the anaretic. It means it's energy is literally being split apart. Any planet, especially the sun once this close to the following sign will typically show traits of that zodiac sign.

Why a vast amount of astrologers ignore this is beyond me. If you tried to give me a reading as a pure Leo Sun, Venus, and Mars -- you would ensure a failed reading. The Virgo descriptions of these planets, however, is eerily accurate.

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posted July 31, 2010 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Smileforcma! and welcome to LL

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Ami Ann
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posted July 31, 2010 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Zanarkand
Can I ask you something,please, since you seem to know a lot?
Is an anaretic degree "bad" i.e weakened and hurtful to the person in some way.

Thanks so much,

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raspberri
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posted July 31, 2010 07:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah but you will show traits of any sign your Sun is next to because you will have planets there anyway. I'm a Cancer Sun but I have Gemini planets and I'm definitely seen as more of a Gemini sometimes...

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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
Wow. I am a Cancer Sun and I'm really dramatic at times and I love acting, and sometimes I can be overly-generous. Yet I have no planets in Leo whatsoever. I do have one in imaginitive pisces however? So I do posses Leonine traits but I have no planets in Leo...

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posted July 31, 2010 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Ya but you can have sun in fifth or something.

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zanarkand112
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posted July 31, 2010 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
Ami, there is a tendency to do far too little or way too much when a planet rests on the 29th degree. It can be out of the action for too long, but then doesn't know when to stop. It shows the struggle of being caught between the two signs. I've heard other astrologers say it has a theme of "evolve or die", so it doesn't exactly beam with optimism. However, change and adjustments must be made to lift the heavy burden the planet carries. Can also have a "jack of all trades but master of none" syndrome. It's also known as the degree of fate.

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posted July 31, 2010 08:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Nope, I am firmly a believer that you are either one or the other. Cusps make no sense to me when considering things like DEGREES. For example, my dad was born July 20th and he shows extroversion that one might think proves this theory...but that's because they aren't looking at his chart. In it, he has the dispositor of both is Venus and Moon in Leo (Mercury), a gemini venus, and a Libra Jupiter.

99% of the time there's some influence in the chart or even a progression explaining why you feel like the other sign sometimes.

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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
Benedict Moon, yeah that may be true but most of the planets that I have are introverted (maybe ruling out capricorn). But I tend to be really extroverted at School and try getting along with everyone, however in class its a different story and I'm very disciplined but whenever I'm in the hallways I tend to be really extroverted and outgoing...would you like to see my planet configuration?

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posted July 31, 2010 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for seeleah     Edit/Delete Message
you know...I want to agree with astrologers that are more knowledgable than I..but my ex husband is a perfect example...he born on the 23rd of Nov. a cuspy sag/scorp..and honestly he demonstrates more scorp than sag....and I know this guy with a 2 degree leo venus (from cancer) and he has a real thing for water chicks..but that could be his piscese moon though that could explain it.

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zanarkand112
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posted July 31, 2010 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
My whole family and me are all right on the cusp. Let's examine them.

Dad: Cap/Aqua Cusp(also a sociopath)

Cap traits:

Sees success as being doctor, lawyer, authority figure

Wants to "own" things and people -- materialistic. Money is very important.

Holds things over your head that he does for you

Loves Education/School

Loves old time black and white movies and photographs


Aqua traits:

Incredibly friendly/warm and then suddenly distant

Loves photography/video editing/abstract paintings - he stairs at them for hours in coffee shops

Likes concerts of weird/random almost hippy-like bands

On and off again relationships -- wants friendship more than romance

Wants stimulating social life

Wore a suit...with sandals...to my graduation.


Mom: Gemini/cancer cusp

Gemini traits:

Talks your head off for hours

Always on the phone or talking to someone

Impatient

Will switch the radio station if song does not catch her attention in the first 10-20 seconds

Cannot sit still through a movie no matter how involved or interested she is -- will get up several times

Cancer traits:

Sensitive!!!

MOODY!

Nurturer! "Adopted" most of my friends growing up. Cries very easily although mostly in front of me.

Sentimental -- I wish you could see her room. It's a typical cancer bedroom. She can make any place feel like home.

Creative and a great cook

Always wants to hug people -- can get two people's life's story while out running errands easily

Easily feels sympathy for others

My brother: Sag/Cap cusp

Sag traits:

Funny! Makes silly faces and noises, and would say things outloud in a public restaurant that would make everyone blush except him

Foot-in-mouth disease

Liked to skateboard and be outdoors especially when younger

Wanted independence more than me at an earlier age even though he was the younger brother

Tall forehead

Cap traits:

Depression/incredibly somber appearance most of the time

More conservative than meets the eye, believes in manners and severely dislikes rude people

Can really hold a grudge

HARD worker and very productive

Looked older than his age from the time he was 11

Me: Leo/Virgo Cusp

Leo traits:

Feel like I have a "special" calling in life I can't seem to ignore

Want to be seen as unique, different, or special -- MOSTLY by significant other. Will lose interest if he doesn't somehow see me as "different" from the rest.

I have a lot of pride and it can be injured and take a long time to recover -- but you'll probably never know

Idealized version of love(libra asc doesn't help)

Tender heart

Virgo traits:

If you've gotten this far, it should be evident I psychoanalyze the crap out of everything lol

Aware of all flaws -- especially within myself -- the voice in my head never shuts up. I end up punishing myself several times a day for not being "perfect" or reviewing my choices throughout the day cringing as I missed "perfection"

I look very young for my age. I have a very innocent look to me as well so I've been told.

Incredibly discriminating tastes especially when dating, if a guy cannot stimulate me intellectually than I will not date him. Having the key to my mind is having the key to my heart. Cannot be won over by flattery.

Writing, language, communication, and being detail-oriented is of extreme importance to me. Always carrying something to read when I was younger.

Teacher's pet when growing up

Run into the problem of not seeing the forest because of the trees

Pessimistic -- half glass full mentality a lot -- unfortunately

Researching subjects I am interested in until all the nitty gritty details are soaked up

Hate to waste anything

Will do what I should do rather than what I want to do because it's the "right" thing to do. If I don't, I can't really enjoy whatever I decided to do anyway.

Anxiety! Shy...nervous energy abound. Blush easily, especially when complimented. For some reason, it embarrasses me. Well, actually I embarrass easily period.

Have old fashioned views about sex for this modern era and have chosen to preserve my virginity until I find one of my soulmates Have had BFs and not started a sexual relationship with them holding onto my values.

I believe manners are of up-most importance

Brother accused me of being "mr. mom" growing up because I was so rigid when it came to following the rules and he hated my "logical" approach to all things -- especially when it came to feelings.

Very knowledgeable of herbs/supplements and take many of them. Happy when eating good things for diet(get an upset stomach with meat and sweets easily) and could be considered hypochondriac to some(although I do have some really serious health problems)

Systematic order when it comes to just about everything. I even know how I will eat my dinner(from least favorite to best item) and no, the food will not touch.

Wash my hands around ten times a day...some OCD tendencies when it comes to hygiene. Even if putting a soda can into recycles the tip of a finger barely touched the recycles bag and I just washed my hands, under the faucet they shall go! Family makes fun of me I am ridiculously thorough brushing my teeth.

Dry, sarcastic, witty(not me, others) sense of humor...

Will put off doing tasks because I know if I start I will exhaust myself until it's as "perfect" as it can be, and if it's not I will feel absolute torture until I make it 'right"

Constantly editing, "refining" things

Guess the only thing that isn't me when it comes to being a Virgo is I'm not on the floor scrubbing with a toothbrush or with a vacuum in my hand all the time. Or criticizing others for their flaws...


So, even though there are aspects in the charts probably adding to this kind of behavior, anyone think there's not anything to this "cusp" thing yet? Unless you don't believe in any form of Sun Sign astrology at all, I don't see how that could be.

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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
I know this guy with the leo/virgo cusp. Except he's really I mean really negative. He is really hardworking and tries hard in everything he does and when he sees that someone comes out ahead of him he becomes mean and just plain angry at the person who beat him at whatever it was he was doing. However he's friendly to those below him or who do something not as good as he does. :/

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zanarkand112
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posted July 31, 2010 09:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
A guy with the exact same birthday as me is just like this. He has a Leo ascendant instead of Libra like me with Sun, Merc, Venus, and Mars in the first. He supposedly worries a lot like me, and is very critical of other people. He is constantly putting people down and he is more on the antagonistic side. Shows you how important house placements for planets and house rulers are. His negativity was so strong it actually made my stomach tie up in knots being around him.

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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah exactly I totally understand. Thats exactly how that guy I described is! It was so sad though, he just couldn't be happy. :/ He had to be the best at everything...

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zanarkand112
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posted July 31, 2010 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for zanarkand112     Edit/Delete Message
Well, as I described in the previous I think this is the curse of the Leo/Virgo cusp is these right here:

Will put off doing tasks because I know if I start I will exhaust myself until it's as "perfect" as it can be, and if it's not I will feel absolute torture until I make it 'right"

Aware of all flaws -- especially within myself -- the voice in my head never shuts up. I end up punishing myself several times a day for not being "perfect" or reviewing my choices throughout the day cringing as I missed "perfection"

I have a lot of pride and it can be injured and take a long time to recover -- but you'll probably never know

I think depending on the chart this can manifest in many different ways ways. Leo pride mixed with Virgo pessimism...not fun.

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posted July 31, 2010 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"you know...I want to agree with astrologers that are more knowledgable than I..but my ex husband is a perfect example...he born on the 23rd of Nov. a cuspy sag/scorp..and honestly he demonstrates more scorp than sag....and I know this guy with a 2 degree leo venus (from cancer) and he has a real thing for water chicks..but that could be his piscese moon though that could explain it."


Does he have any planets in Scorpio?

Yeah...the Pisces Moon could account for having a real thing for water women.


also

strong Pluto influence could account for being Scorpio-like


a strong transneptunian influence overall that includes Pluto fellow big transneptunian objects could account for being Scorpio like too,
especially Orcus and Ixion which orbit like Pluto for they have 2:3 orbial resonance with Neptune. They are classed as plutinos.

also

November 23rd, Sun is actually in the Constellation of Scorpio and not in the Constellation of Sagittarius even though it's in Sagittarius in the tropical zodiac


I can't help think that constellations do have an influence on us and not just the tropical zodiac has influence on us


I also think certain aspects and a strong placement of a certain planet could account for the cusp thing
This could even include the declinations, right ascension,and the nodes. They are all relevant to Astrology because they are part of Astronomy. Without Astronomy, there would be no Astrology.


the cusp thing makes me question Astrology

when it comes to the Forer/Barnum Effect which is an argument that critics use against Astrology.

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posted July 31, 2010 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
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Benedict Moon, yeah that may be true but most of the planets that I have are introverted (maybe ruling out capricorn). But I tend to be really extroverted at School and try getting along with everyone, however in class its a different story and I'm very disciplined but whenever I'm in the hallways I tend to be really extroverted and outgoing...would you like to see my planet configuration?


That's why you need to post up your chart (with an exact time of birth). Telling us that you are born on the cusp of this sign and that sign is not enough information. Sign, houseplacements, aspects, and progressions can tell you alot more than Cusp Theories.

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Smileforcma
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posted July 31, 2010 11:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Smileforcma     Edit/Delete Message
Okay. I'll try to post one (a birth chart) up, but how would I get to do that? I'm new to the whole posting thing...sorry.

Image: http://s879.photobucket.com/albums/ab354/Ariemser/Album/?action=view¤t=daisy14.png

I was born at 9:30 P.M. I'm not too sure if we celebrate Daylight Savings Time or not...

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posted August 01, 2010 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WinkAway     Edit/Delete Message
Virgo/Libra cusp here and I'm NOTHING like the Virgo descriptions...
I do however have a Cancer Moon and I'm SO much like Cancer it isn't even funny..
so I dunno...

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posted August 01, 2010 04:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Smileforcma,

Your Jupiter trine your Ascendant and Mercury as well as sextile your Moon, and that could indicate an outgoing,expansive type of personality.
Your Mercury trine Ascendant indicates that your communications is in harmony with how you approach life,and that can indicate being able to communicate well with others.
Your Moon sextile Ascendant indicates that your emotions work with how you approach life, and that you can be sensitive to others.

With those aspects, you can gift for being sociable and outgoing, especially with the Jupiter aspects.

Your Sun trine Pluto is intense self expression, but there is harmony and ease involved. It can be great for being empowered,confident,and charismatic.

You have Sun oppose Uranus, and that can indicate independent self expression. That can be good with self expression because it can counter any inhibitions that your chart shows like your t-square of Mars square Venus-Saturn opposition.

Your Mars in opposition to Midheaven could indicate an assertive type. That can be good for being expressive due to a fiery nature.


If I knew your birthdata, I'd look deeper into your chart looking at declinations and the planetary nodes. Aspects to the nodes of Mercury,Venus,and Jupiter could factor into being outgoing and sociable.

There are even midpoint pictures that can factor too.

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posted August 01, 2010 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
For future reference, try uploading a chart from astro.com (it's free and much easier for us to read).


But after a look, I pretty much agree with Raymond. In addition, I'll add that your Sun-Uranus Opposition fall across the 5th/11th axis....two very outgoing houses. If I'm reading your chart correctly, you also have your Capricorn Moon in the 11th...making you naturally disposed to groups of people.

All in all, your a very clearly a 28th degree Cancer Sun. Degrees is what totally refutes the theory of Cusps, because with degrees you know whether you're one or the other.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 01, 2010 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
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Wore a suit...with sandals...to my graduation.


My mother would do that


Ami
PS Zanarkand--You have wonderful vivid descriptions of the signs.
I plead guilty to the Gemini --talks your head off for hours and the Cancer which can get everyone's life story while out running errands lol
You Rock,Friend.


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posted August 01, 2010 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Benedict Moon,

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