posted October 19, 2010 08:06 PM            

We were together for five months. His money is all inherited. His Saturn Return at zero Scorpio will be really really awful. Even if it weren't for all the sixth house nastiness that you accurately described back in August. I see what you are saying, that my continued attachment is part of that unpleasantness.

The breakup was sort of mutual--I was feeling like things had to change for MONTHS, but I felt too drawn to him to end things. I thought about it, though. And finally, he ended things.

I would love to find something happier. Where I feel just as drawn to the person, but things work. I hope someday I overcome my Moon-Saturn in Cancer in the 7th. Among other problems, I am very tenacious.

"USING to fulfill a purpose, in this case a fantasy ?"

posted October 19, 2010 08:20 PM            

Also, I really disagree about the lack of water being something bad, alluding to a lack of emotions, or evolution of an emotional side. That's just wrong. It's important to remember that people with a lack of water or a water singleton actually end up displaying emotions more sometimes - to make up for it. My boyfriend has zero water in his chart and is the most sentimental, sweetly emotional man I know. His eyes water when he talks about something close to his heart, and it's so sweet and touching.
My ex husband had no water in his chart either, and was practically ruled by his emotions...in a negative way sometimes. So you see, there are variations on this, and it's really dangerous to just say that someone's lack of water or any element in fact, is a deficiency in character. A person mustn't be judged from their chart, but by their actions, first and foremost.

I would also look at someone's midpoints, the sun/moon and mars/venus, because it will say a lot about how they do relationship.

posted October 19, 2010 08:29 PM            

We both were drawn to each other and thought/hoped things would work, and felt a big connection. (He took the initiative, and getting to know him kept happily surprising me.) But things went bad and I felt anxious and closed-down, and he felt like I wasn't giving him enough.

Part of the problem was definitely other things I am going through in my life. I feel SO sad that it didn't work. But that sadness might be part of the depressing quality of the relationship that IQ saw in our composite/synastry. I don't know.

I hope that in general, if people feel real love and a real connection, they come back to each other. And if they don't, it wasn't right anyway. But I don't even know if that's true anymore!

posted October 19, 2010 08:36 PM            

True that he loves the chase. But he's way over it, with me. It's been weeks since we've seen or talked to each other.

I don't think someone's "perfect" during those thrilling early days of a relationship. I think they're wonderful and exciting and beautiful and great, but I don't expect a superhero with no human emotions.

posted June 09, 2016 12:12 PM            

It turns out that everything IQ said was 100% accurate, including the "emotional terrorism" and the sapping me of all joy, liveliness and bliss.

This guy came back and said he loved me and wanted me back, etc etc. when we had a beautiful baby together and my mother had just died, I learned that he had lied to me about a whole bunch of things (nothing mentioned in this thread, just strange things, like where he'd gone to school)....and instead of coming clean, he kept telling me the "truth", and actually it would be a new set of lies. And I found out he had betrayed me. This was someone I at least thought was trustworthy and cared about me as a human being.

We split up last year but I still see him every day because I don't want to separate my daughter from her father. My self-esteem is at rock bottom and I've had lots of emotional health problems, shock, grief and post-traumatic stress.

I need help figuring out a way to get past this and through this and be HAPPY again. I'm worried my life is ruined and I'll never have fulfillment or happiness or love, and I HAVE to change that to give my daughter a good life. Help?

posted June 09, 2016 12:48 PM            

The heavy karma involved in something with the kind of Saturn you have, and angles, and descendant, and moon-node etc... it isn't simple or easy to break these kinds of connections and it certainly isn't easy to deal with... I'm so sorry you feel compelled to see him every day and can't make a clean break... but congratulations on the birth of your daughter sometimes very beautiful things arise from very difficult situations.

posted June 09, 2016 12:51 PM            

Let yourself grieve, it's a healthy process. Just get it all out of your system so you can meet the next (hopefully 'right') guy without this hanging over your head.

Whatever he did/said, it's not on you. Don't let your self-esteem be affected by it. You got dealt a bad hand, but you can overcome it.

Everything is karmic, in a way. Maybe the 'lesson' here is to rely on your inner strength to get you out of this.

I don't know if you believe this, but I do - 'What goes around, comes around'. He'll get what's coming to him, and you'll get rewarded for your fortitude. Never doubt that.

posted June 09, 2016 05:00 PM            

It's August 14, 1974, in Cleveland, Ohio, 5:50pm.

posted June 09, 2016 08:27 PM            

moving to Interpersonal Astrology.