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letram
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posted August 03, 2010 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
topic title is self expanitory,

if you know anyone with this disorder, do you know if they have this aspect? or the Moon in hard aspect to uranus,

perhaps moon in the 11th, uranus in the 4th, uranus in hard aspect to 4th ruler?

even if its none of these, feel free to post their charts, lets see if we can find some kind of pattern.

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posted August 03, 2010 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
I have only one chart with me of someone diagnosed as Bipolar.

She has Libra Ascendant conjunct Uranus exact and afflicted Neptune [Retrograde Saturn opposing Neptune, less than 30 minutes orb.]
Sun is in Anaretic Degree. Venus conjuncts Mercury exact.
Her Moon is in its sign of debilitation, Capricorn.

No harsh aspects to Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus or Mars. Again, Neptune affliction is the most likely indicator in her case, followed by the trigger of Libra Ascendant [confused] conj Uranus [Surprise effects].

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posted August 03, 2010 09:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
my mother's chart shows her Moon in Cancer in wide conjunction with Uranus (8 deg.), and Uranus opposing her 4th house ruler Venus. in fact it's part of a Cardinal grand cross.

she's bipolar. she is viscously filled with hate and has created her own world to live in. no one likes her. she lives the life of isolation herself with minimum contact with other people. she also lives in this fantasy that she is a tragic heroine, which in an ironic sense true, because she was a very intelligent woman who could have led a different life.

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lechien
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posted August 03, 2010 09:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
ugh, double post.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 03, 2010 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I thought with the moon and Sun, they allowed 10 degree orbs.
I am sorry about your mother ((Lechien)).
That puts a horrible hurting on the child.
Mine has Narcissim /Borderline traits.
She has gotten better later in life and I have resumed my relationship with her.
She is a therapist and helping all the patients over the years seems to have helped her.
Go figure

Ami
PS I see Mercury in the 12th in Aqua. That seems like it would make her thinking process hard.
My Mother has Sun combust Mercury in the 12th in Aqua.
I see this as an aspect where a person is too close to themselves--their own egos.
Everything effects them ,personally.
Your mother just has the Mercury but in the 12th house--her thinking process may be prone to impairment.
Anyone--please correct me if I am wrong on anything.

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posted August 03, 2010 10:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
Ami

yea, through my counsellings with numerous psychiatrists (because all those years i thought there was something wrong with me), they diagnosed my mother (instead of me) as a "narcissistic mother". it's one symptom of bipolar disorder. but i believe it's only one aspect of her disorder, seeing her relationship patterns with all others.

i think you're right with her thinking impairment. also i see the block with the 9th house Mars square to this Mercury. not that she is a dumb person, but always i find our talks not going anywhere, because she cannot put things in perspective. anyway she's not speaking to me anymore. and she's fighting cancer. i worry but there's only so much i can do. i have to accept it as her decision and move on to live my own life.

...although of course i hope she too will soften like your mom did. but i can just let it be for now.

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posted August 03, 2010 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
"I thought with the moon and Sun, they allowed 10 degree orbs."

yea i think they allow quite wide degrees for them. i just tend to keep it narrow in general, but of course they still count as valid aspects.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 03, 2010 10:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Oh NO--I don't mean dumb--in any sense lol
The intelligence which is impaired is emotional intelligence not intellectual.
Yes--you said it well. It is about the proper perspective in life.
They fail on this



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posted August 03, 2010 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
thanks for the replies so far, here is my mothers chart. she has been quite the case, has relapsed many times over and over since the age of 19 i think it was. there is the state of deep depression and sadness, and the 'hypomania' state where one is energetic, very assertive and forward, and is prone to unstable self control and aggression, sudden outbursts!


my mother typically would relapse into the depression state at first but eventually soon enough, and consistently without ceasing, would remain in the hypomania state, sleeping little to none, constantly energetic, and easily hostile around others, men and women alike.

in my mothers chart you see the sun is her 12th house ruler, and her sun is in the 12th house along with mercury just about. neptune squares my mothers sun.

her mars is in the 11th, and her moon in cancer at a critical? 0 degree square uranus by 4 orb. uranus in the 1st house along with pluto.

neptune is my mothers 7th house ruler. is libran themed energy a factor?

my mother currently is well but if her buttons are pushed or shes offended a bit much, she starts to turn hypomanic.

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posted August 03, 2010 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
in both charts i noticed: 11th house ruler square Uranus,

and 12th house ruler in hard aspect to neptune.

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Ami Ann
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posted August 03, 2010 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I am not very good lol but I will come back and look later .
I will look up some aspects.


x o x Ami

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posted August 03, 2010 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
the same aspects for people with schizophrenia,bipolar can be the same aspects in the charts of people that have or believe that they have psychic abilities which are things that aren't recognized by scientific and psychiatric communities.

Moon in Cancer suggests an extremely sensitive,emotional,intuitive nature with the Moon in the sign that it rules.

the square to Uranus indicates the possibility of unpredictable emotional nature as well as the emotional need for independence


I was misdiagnosed as bipolar with schizoaffective disorder myself

and I think that it was reflected by my t-square of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd


another thing to consider is that
ADHD and Bipolar are conditions that strongly overlap in traits/symptoms in things like high energy, distractibility,and a highly emotional nature, and even extreme sensitivity. This is well recognized in psychiatry. Many children with Bipolar have been misdiagnosed ADHD (thinking that children don't have bipolar), and many adults with ADHD have been misdiagnosed Bipolar (thinking that adults don't have ADHD)

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posted August 03, 2010 10:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

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posted August 03, 2010 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message
I would have to say a massive no to that.

Only cos my brother has a Cancer moon that in opposition with his Uranus but he's the most level headed, sane, even tempered people I have ever met. He has absolutely no anger and is just the most pleasant, sweetest, kindest and nicest person ever who just adored kids more than a woman (double cancer sun & moon lol, he's gonna be the BEST uncle!)

I was the crazy, unstable, emotionally disturbed one who's been seeing counselors, psychologists and psychiatrists since I was 13 AND my moon SEXTILLES uranus!!

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posted August 03, 2010 11:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
I have Moon opposite Uranus... and usually when everybody is freaking out I'm the one holding it together for everybody. Plus, it seems like I attract 'interesting' people with this aspect than anything...

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posted August 03, 2010 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message
Racole, I couldn't imagine you freaking out and going crazy lol
You seem VERY emotionally adjusted

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lechien
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posted August 03, 2010 12:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lechien     Edit/Delete Message
i'm really not buying into singling out one aspect out of the chart. see with my mother's chart, the whole thing has an intricate relationship with her Grand Cross. with letram's mother, the Moon is square her Virgo stellium 1st house.

also if it was the indication for anything, it may mean that it heightens one's psychological state in general, which may be positive (psychic or emotionally developed) or negative (psychological diorders).

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posted August 03, 2010 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message
just to clarify folks,

we all know, or should know, that astrology doesnt work as singular aspects being responsible for a or b.

this topic i just meant is this aspect a potential part of bipolar in charts?

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posted August 03, 2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"this topic i just meant is this aspect a potential part of bipolar in charts?"

Yes

but also potential part of ADHD in charts
as well as part of novelty seekers (actually a novelty seeking gene, DRD4 7R gene is said to be connected to half of ADHD cases)
as well as part of unconventional types
as well as part of astrologers,occultists,intuitive types


My mother has Moon contraparallel Uranus which is like Moon oppose Uranus. She has Moon trine Uranus.

My maternal aunt Dominga has Moon-Ascendant conjunction square Uranus

my maternal uncle Eddie has Moon-Descendant oppose Uranus-Ascendant


ADHD,novelty seeker family

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posted August 03, 2010 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
Letram~

I agree that a singular aspect can't be responsible but you said in your first post...

"if you know anyone with this disorder, do you know if they have this aspect? or the Moon in hard aspect to uranus"

which that's why I gave the answer that I did


Diablo~ hi sweetie I have freaked out a couple times in my life but it was understandable... like the last time- I was in a car wreak and after everybody was taken care of and I was home alone I finally broke down. If I do freak out- nobody is going to see it and it takes a lot to get me there.


And I agree with Glaucus... I might not be bipolar but I do have ADHD.

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