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racole12
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posted August 04, 2010 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
I've seen random list of asteroids floating around that should be use during synastry analysis and sometimes I'm left scratching my head wondering why some of them need to be used? I'm starting this thread trying to figure out what should be used, what should be left out and to learn more about certain synastry asteroids!!

Some of the asteroids I'm questioning right now are...

Aphrodite (1388)... is this just another version of Venus?

Union (1585)... is there more to it than what the name implies?

Angel (11911)...?

Destinn (6583)... is there more to it than what the name implies as well?


Right now with my research is seems like Valentine (447), Eros (433), Psyche (16), Karma (3811), Amor (1221), Union (1585) and Juno seems to play a huge hand in synastry... would anybody like to add or subtract from the list and why?

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posted August 04, 2010 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
Those are all the asteroids I tend to interpret, so you're onto something. I'm still not an asteroid buff, but I have to agree that Juno plays a major role in a significant relationship, along with conjunctions to the Desc.

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posted August 04, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I look at asteroids as something secondary after looking at the regular stuff first

I'd include Ceres
It is not just an asteroid. It's a dwarf planet,and so it is equal to Pluto,Eris,Makemake,and Haumea in Astronomy.
It is the only asteroid that is classed as a dwarf planet. It's over 900 km in diameter,and no asteroid comes close to that size. It's definitely in hydrostatic equalibrium which makes it spherical in shape. It is actually a protoplanet aka planetary nucleus. It was discovered and classed as a planet before Neptune was discovered. Then it was stripped of its planetary status because more objects were discovered in the same region, and so Ceres and those objects are known as asteroids. After the discovery of Eris which was larger than Pluto and led to new planetary criteria which resulted in Pluto's stripping of its planetary status, Ceres was promoted to dwarf planet and Pluto was demoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Ceres and Pluto are finally equals in Astronomy.


Ceres is an asteroid named after the Roman Goddess of the Harvest. It has to do with nurturing and things related to it like mother,caring,food,reproduction,and matters of involving letting go (especially of one's children),the empty nest

Demeter is an asteroid named after Ceres' Greek counterpart


I also include Hera which is the Greek counterpart of Juno


When I was a kid, I was reading a lot of Norse mythology and not just Greek/Roman mythology, and so I resonate with the Norse deities too.

Freia is an asteroid named after the Norse Goddess of Love.
Frigga is an asteroid named after Norse Goddess of Marriage. Both of those asteroids can be relevant in relationship astrology.


Pallas and Vesta were 2 of the original 4 asteroids that were classed as planets along with Ceres and Juno for over 40 years. Pallas and Vesta are also protoplanets. Juno is the only one of the major 4 asteroids that is not a protoplanet.

Pallas is named after Pallas Athena (why they didn't name it Minerva, the Roman version of Pallas Athena is a mystery),the Goddess of Wisdom,Warfare,and Crafts like Weaving.
It is said to have to do with creative intelligence,pattern recognition. It could be involved in not only creativity but also strategy.

Minerva is an asteroid named after Athena's counterpart.
There is also asteroid,Athene.


Vesta is named after the Roman Goddess of the Hearth. It is said to be about devotion,dedication,work ethic, as well as channeling of sexual energy like in kundalini.

There is also asteroid named after Vesta's Greek counterpart, Hestia.


I'd also look at the nodes of these objects too. All objects have nodes. The Moon is not the only object that has nodes.
Nodes are just intersection of the orbital planes of 2 objects.

The orbs should be no larger than half a degree.

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posted August 04, 2010 02:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

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posted August 04, 2010 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah looking at asteroids secondary is smart, but you will usually see significant asteroids playing our in certain synastry more than others. It just adds to the intense planetary synastry.

For example my last relationship we had his Sun conjunct my Asc in Libra, and His APRODITE conjunct my ASC exact.

WE also had his Moon conjunct my Jupiter and APHRODITE which was in opposition to his Saturn..

For me APHRODITE is very important because I loved this person very very much and I still do in a way.

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posted August 04, 2010 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vertiver     Edit/Delete Message
Those are all the asteroids I tend to interpret, so you're onto something. I'm still not an asteroid buff, but I have to agree that Juno plays a major role in a significant relationship, along with conjunctions to the Desc.

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posted August 04, 2010 02:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
"Destinn (6583)... is there more to it than what the name implies as well?"

Yes...I think that the reason why the asteroid was named should be taken into consideration


(6583) Destinn = 1984 DE
Discovered 1984 February 21 by A. Mrkos at Kleť.
Named in memory of Ema Destinn (1878-1930), Czech opera singer, considered one of the finest sopranos of the early twentieth century, particularly together with the excellent tenor of Enrico Caruso. Name suggested by J. Tichá. http://www.klet.org/names/view.php3?astnum=6583


so maybe Destinn is strong in the charts of opera singers,sopranos,and people that love opera.


another asteroid that raised a point

Nemesis is named after the Greek Goddess of Retribution
but Nemesis has been widely used as a word for enemy. I don't use that word for enemy myself. I either use enemy or foe.

I believe that one's culture influences how we use certain words too.


for instance
fag means cigarette in UK
it's a slur for homosexual people too

gay is word that means joyous, but it is now used as word synonymous for homosexual


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posted August 04, 2010 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I believe asteroids may work according to human consciousness.
They may be a reflection of this. So if most people associate Destinn with destiny, it might mean exactly that.
If they associate Destinn with an opera singer, it will be that, too.
I usually interprete them according their name-meaning or the mythology.
But of course there are other approaches to that, as Glaucus pointed out.
And in the case of mythological figures, I always follow the mythic lines, they are archetypical and embedded deeply in the human psyche, though we may not always be aware of it. They are part of our collective memory, imprinted in us.
Of course that is just a hypothesis of mine, and I could be wrong. But so far it is workable for me.


Romance / Love asteroids:
Amor, Valentine, Juno

Sexually oriented asteroids:
Eros, Cupido, Aphrodite

Psyche may be romantic or just in connection to Eros. On its own it is more psychic than really romantic I think.

Of course there are many more to consider, for example I think Ceres / Demeter should be given much more weight in terms of caring / nurturing in a relationship.


I also use fate / karmic asteroids like:
Karma, Destinn (sometimes Tyche, Fortuna - we all can use a little bit of luck, can`t we?).

Boda and Union for binding objects - though I am not completely convinced yet.

Angel could be seen as Higher SElf interaction, or if that gets too spiritual now, maybe just symbolizes where we want the best of the other person, where we can support them unconditionally, without any sexual or romantic intermingling.

Personally I like Angel aspects in synastry, just like I like Jupiter and Ceres and Amor in that regard. There is a lot of support with those.

Chiron, evne though no asteroid, is important, too, I think.
I know there are many more Centaurs, but until now I only use Chiron, Pholus and Nessus.

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posted August 04, 2010 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I couldn't agree more with Vertiver.

I do think ALL asteroids are secondary in romantic synastry. I would place the most importance on (in order of importance):
1) tight conjunctions between planets and angles; angles and angles; and nodes to planets...note that this requiries exact birth times for accuracy...also, Vertex/Antivertex
2) house overlays, interpreted in relationship to planetary placements, chart rulers, and house rulers
3) aspects between the planets. Other astrologers tend to weight conjunctions and oppositions more heavily than other aspects
4) THEN, after all that, asteroids

Actually, the real #1 would be the Big Picture relationship between the charts, with emphasis on each person's natal. Even then, I find synastry is only a useful tool when interpreted in conjunction with people's real-life situations. I don't believe that the placement of planets and angles at the moment of someone's first breath can confer Soul Mate status between, say, a famous movie star in France and a fan who has never met him in Topeka. Synastry analysis can offer insight when used carefully and with common sense.

Almost like medicine...a doctor can look at the state of someone's arthritic hand, but it helps to know if that person works 20 hours a day on a computer. The life situation and the science can't be viewed separately.

All of that said. when looking at actual charts of people who have real and mutual relationships--dating, marriage, I see a mathematically disproportunate occurance of
-tight conjunctions of Union to planets and angles
-Karma conjuncting planets, angles, other asteroids
-Juno aspecting planets and angles, and falling into relationshippy houses (4th, 5th, 7th especially)
-Tight conjunctions of Juno to asteroids
-Briede/Groom conjuncting angles

In my own experience with my own chart, I am a person who gets big crushes/attractions that sometimes lead nowhere except in my own poor Leo heart...BUT I notice with people I actually really get together with, we have Eros-Venus or Eros-Psyche conjunctions or oppositions in tight orb.

ALL charts between any random strangers will be filled with connections, just as all human beings have the potential to connect with each other. We each have mouths, so technically we are all equipped to kiss each other, it doesn't mean we all do. So synastry is a tool that should be use thoughtfully, otherwise it's just a way for lonely or obsessive people to channel their fantasies. Not that there's anything too wrong with that, but it shouldn't be confused with real insight or truth.

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posted August 04, 2010 03:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

"I know there are many more Centaurs, but until now I only use Chiron, Pholus and Nessus."

I'd at least consider the centaur, Chariklo too. That was named after Chiron's mate.

there is an also centaur, Okyrhoe named after the daughter of Chiron and Chariklo.


do you think the asteroid,Anteros could be considered too.


In Greek mythology, Anteros (Greek: Ἀντέρως, Antérōs) was the god of requited love, literally "love returned" or "counter-love" and also the punisher of those who scorn love and the advances of others, or the avenger of unrequited love.

Anteros was the son of Ares and Aphrodite in Greek mythology, given to his brother Eros, who was lonely, as a playmate, the rationale being that love must be answered if it is to prosper. Physically, he is depicted as similar to Eros in every way, but with long hair and plumed butterfly wings. He has been described also as armed with either a golden club or arrows of lead.

Anteros, with Eros, was one of a host of winged love gods called Erotes, the ever-youthful winged gods of love, usually depicted as winged boys in the company of Aphrodite or her attendant goddesses.

An altar to this god was put up by the metics in Athens in commemoration of the spurned love of the metic Timagoras who was rejected by the Athenian Meles. Upon hearing Timagoras' declaration of love for him, the young man mockingly ordered him to throw himself down from the top of a tall rock. Seeing Timagoras dead, Meles repented and threw himself down from the same rock.[1]

Describing the nature of the emotion, Plato asserts that it is the result of the great love for another person. The lover, inspired by beauty, is filled with divine love and "filling the soul of the loved one with love in return." As a result, the loved one falls in love with the lover, though the love is only spoken of as friendship. They experience pain when the two are apart, and relief when they are together, the mirror image of the lover's feelings, is anteros, or "counter-love."[2]

Anteros is the subject of the Shaftesbury Memorial in Piccadilly Circus, London, where he symbolises the selfless philanthropic love of the Earl of Shaftesbury for the poor. The memorial is sometimes given the name The Angel of Christian Charity and is popularly mistaken for Eros.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anteros

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posted August 04, 2010 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Also, of course, charts are only potentials. Even genes are only potentials!

Two people could have the same genetic makeup, and one could sit around eating 7200 calories of junk food each day and not exercising, while the other could train daily to be an olympic high diver. You can imagine that those bodies would look and feel very different from each other.

Similarly, if you have two people who are not working with their charts, and who are manifesting a low vibration of their aspects (example: someone with an 'afflicted' Neptune who becomes a liar/addict/thief vesus someone with an 'afflicted' Neptune who becomes a spiritual healer), the same synastry will play out differently than if have people who work constructively with their charts.

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posted August 04, 2010 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,

agree with your priority list.

Actually I always do a core check first which in my case includes Sun, Moon, ASC/DES, MC/IC, lunar Nodes and the ruler of the angles to each other, especially conjunctions.
If you don`t find anything there, it probably is not worth the effort to seek any further.
You need a solid backbone to a synastry.


I believe though, that synastry / natal comaprision highlights the mixing of energies between any two people, no matter what their life situation.
BUT their life situation is important in terms how they express (or choose not to) these "energetic matrix" between them.

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posted August 04, 2010 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus,

yes I was specifically thinking of Chariklo, too, but have no experience with her aspects. WEll she is sitting nearly exactly on my IC squaring my Venus, so the aspects are already highlighted somehow.

And yes, I think Anteros is underestimated. But maybe because he is hard to understand. There was once a thread where I was philosophizing a bit on Anteros, along with others, I will look out for it.
Anteros is on 18 Scorpio in my chart I think, and I find that it is often aspected in synastry, but my Moon is on 17 Aquarius, Saturn on 17 Cancer and Juno on 17 Pisces. So it is just "one more nail to the coffin".
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018762.html

(I`ve been writing a bit of nunsense in this thread, but I still stand to what I wrote about Anteros and also the IC).

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posted August 04, 2010 04:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
DD: "I believe though, that synastry / natal comaprision highlights the mixing of energies between any two people, no matter what their life situation."

Actually,I guess I really do agree with this. It just has to be used responsibly and thoughtfully and in a complex way. That is why it also depends on the insightfulness and skill of the practitioner.

When the one-sided attractions or obsessions with strangers/people who are uninterested or not available appear, it is true that those tendencies can be seen and explained if a close analysis of the natal chart and transits is included in the synastry analysis. For example, during my one-sided attraction, our synastry looked like we would both connect, but if you looked at my natal you would see I was in the throes of an intense Neptune transit and I'm not comfortable with Neptune's energies...and that he had all sorts of natal challenges going on that effected the romantic signals he gave out and responded to.

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posted August 04, 2010 04:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
this is totally off topic but I agree with Lucia and DD's about looking at transits for explaining extreme attachment or one-sidedness/obsessions... back in 2007 I thought I met my twin-flame (which he thought the same of me/and had the same feelings for me as I did for him), which he could be but not the point to the this story...anyway, at the time Transit Pluto was making havoc (conj) my Mars and DSC. Once it moved out of orb I lost interest... I still believe he is my TF but I have no interest in interacting with him on a day to day basis anymore or being in a romantic relationship... Our relationship was extremely Plutonic and we had a lot of Pluto/Scorpio aspects too... so, Transit Pluto conj my Mars/DSC was literally showing me the type of relationship i was partaking in as well.

EDIT: Just like the last guy I was involved/interested in is extremely heavy Saturn, Uranus and Jupiter in his natal and between us and right now I have Saturn, Jupiter and Uranus squaring my Mars/DSC...

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posted August 04, 2010 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Yes! The on-topic part/important lesson is: look closely and carefully at both natal charts (with transits) when you do any synastry analysis.

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posted August 04, 2010 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia,

I agree. Though I must admit that I think even in onesided attractions, if the persons have met (if not then we do not need to talk any further here of course), the other person will receive the energetic matrix, too. BUT it will become clear through the kind of planets that are triggered, the progressed synastry and the transits, that or why they will not be attracted.
Yet, I am far from being able to really with absolute certainty conclude from a synastry chart why someone gives in to an attraction and the other not.

Also, I think we NEED to take into account life decisions or lifestyle or howeever we want to call it, too.

For example I share with a guy:
His Mars exactly conjunct my Pluto
his Eros exactly conjunct my Venus
his Venus conjunct my Venus

(along with his Mars squaring my Venus, his Eros squaring my Pluto and his Venus squaring my Pluto).


The first three aspects - in a normal synastry chart- I would definitely assume they were indicative of a strong, though sometimes too strong sexual attraction: too hot to handle, especially with the squares connecting these two conjunctions with each other.

But this is not a "normal" synastry.
The guy is gay - so the "sexual attraction" interpretation just has flown out of the window.
What now?
Do these connections dissolve, fade away, disappear?
No, I don`t think so.
The energy is still there, it just would have to be expressed differently.
Luckily he is "only" a performer, and I never even spoke to him.
Yet I do feel the energetic response quite strongly when I am in physical proximity - 5 metres is too close, which is the reason I nowadays pick medium rows with a bit more physical distance-, the first time I saw him I felt like I needed to get out of the room, because the air seemed to be too electrical, and then I had to fight this urge to start giggling uncontrollably (giggling is one of my defense mechanisms) - which would not have been good during watching the serious scenes there!. lol

It`s just an instinctive reaction on my part, it doesn`t have anything to do with him really, as I do not even know him.
But I think that is how the astrological energies were received by me, at least during the first performance; i have been seeing him some more times, and nowadays I just feel extremely energized after having seen him.

Of course this is onesided. And I am sure IF we should ever meet, he would probably dislike me quite a lot.
Sexual aspects that are not being expressed sexually often tend to switch into resentment, frustration and anger.

Just a sign that even in a non-relationship the aspects do have their meaning just not in the sense how they would have in a committed relationship.

Besides wouldn´t that be horrible?
Just imagine you are sharing a Mars-Venus-conjunction with your Dad?
There NEED to be different ways of expressions and luckily there are.

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posted August 04, 2010 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Paloma     Edit/Delete Message
I'm new to this and astrology so please excuse what may be a simple question...

Does anyone know what jupiter conjunct juno/pluto synastry might mean? also juno trine mars? Juno opposite venus? Juno being the female? I am wondering if this means a love and/or sexual attraction and am wondering if it is lasting and who would feel it the most? thanks much for any insight.

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posted August 04, 2010 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
Hey DD...

what does "boda" actually mean?

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posted August 04, 2010 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
DP

Well, actually I'll use it...

Off topic, kinda... holly asteroids!!! Some of these are the first time I have looked at them and they are completely attacking my Nodes. LOL

Valentine, Boda, Angel are conj my NN
Fortuna, Pholus, Dejanira are conj my SN... but all of them are squared mt Sun/Neptune conjunction. LOL

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posted August 04, 2010 05:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

"Fortuna, Pholus, Dejanira are conj my SN... but all of them are squared mt Sun/Neptune conjunction. LOL"

You have transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea in Virgo square your Sun-Neptune conjunction

I guess your Fortuna,Pholus,Dejanira-South Lunar Lunar Node , Sun-Neptune conjunction,and Haumea form a t-square.

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Oh wow, Lucia, I totally forgot about Briede and Groom in synastry. I just looked at my synastry with someone who I think is the real deal, rather than as you put it "a Leo Heart crush," lol.

What is spot on is the fact that his Groom is conjunct my ASC. and his Briede is conjunct my Desc. So the axis' are effected.

In fact let me just post this synastry, it basically consists of all the "significant" love asteroid connections that I've observed thus far. I definitely have to stress that differences in age can be sigificant, hence this person is 6 years older than myself:


Note: This is just an example, and who knows it may fizzle out, like so many other things...


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posted August 04, 2010 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia~

I looked at the Briede/Groom asteroids for the first time... my Briede is conj to his Groom in Taurus by a couple of degrees... thought that was weird. lol.

The ones I thought were different in the 2 charts I am looking at are...

DW with Union opp 7th house ruler
Psyche/Sun/Neptune conj Eros/Neptune
Eros conj Juno opp Amor/Jupiter/Lilith conj Destin
Karma/Moon/Briede conj Moon/Jupiter/Groom opp Vertex/Uranus conj Fortune
Union/Saturn conj Psyche/Vertex opp MC conj Sun/Aphro
Union/Mars/AC conj Juno opp Demeter/Saturn conj Lilith/Jupiter

there was a lot of conj and opp but there are too many to list... those above me I just thought were interesting...


geesh for a moment there I felt like I was writing out Math equations. LOL

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WEll, that reminds me of something I spotted in my synastry with Jude Law, and it serves as an example for what Lucia has said. We should not get lost in synastric aspects without keeping an eye on what is presently our reality (though the energies are still there).

In that synastry:
His Briede is conjunct my Groom.
His Briede is conjunct my NN and ASC.
My Groom is conjunct his ASC.
my Groom is conjunct his Venus.
(His Briede is conjunct my Mars widely)

his Groom is conjunct my Briede
my Briede is trine his Venus.
Both conjunctions are TRINE each other, too.


I think the probability of having:
1. a DW conjunction of Briede-Groom within 2-3 degrees
2. the complimentary asteroids (Bried and Groom as complimentary) conjunct each other`s ASC tightly.
3. the complimentary asteroids aspecting each other`s Venus (trine and conjunction).
4. both Briede/Groom-conjunctions being connected by an aspect (in this case a trine; orb range: 0-4 degrees).

are pretty slim.


Nevertheless he hasn`t proposed to me yet. He probably is busy proposing to someone else.


I think the aspect`s energies are still there, just will not be expressed, as we don`t know each other.

BTW I checked for his Groom / Briede aspects with Sienna Miller.

his Briede sextile her Venus
his Groom sextile her Venus
her Briede square his Venus
her Briede square his Saturn exact
no aspects to her Groom.

Though the Venus aspects look nice, I think the reason for their involvement lies elsewhere.
I think it`s the gigantic tension that builds up to an "orgiastic high" between their charts, but which probably could detoriate quickly into bickering.

His Sun conjunct her Sun.
her Mars conjunct his Pluto and Midheaven.
His Pluto and Midheaven squares her Sun
Her Mars squares his Sun.

Hard to not sense the tension there. In both ways.

On top of that her Pluto is tightly conjunct his Moon.

With her Sun in his 1st house, and her Mars and Pluto in his 10th house, it is probably obvious why their interaction is as public as it is.
Must be difficult for him; his Pluto rulse his 12th house and is on his MC, and triggered big time by her Mars and Sun. Somehow she (or the connection with her) drags out all his secrets and puts them in a showcase for everyone to see.
And that for someonw with unaspected Mars in Scorpio in 12th house!
Phew, and her Uranus widely conjunct his Mars.

To me this looks like an explosion waiting to happen.

Anyway I got distracted, but they actually have more "juicy" aspects if you look at the asteroids:
I am only using an orb of 2 degrees for asteroids, sometimes expanding to 3 degrees for conjunctions.

no aspects to her Karma or Destinn (they are conjunct on 0 and 2 Aquarius, wasn`t there a New Moon somewhere about these degrees?)


his Karma trine her Amor (with almost 2 degree orb) and sextile her Saturn - so his Karma relaxes her natal Amor-Saturn-opposition.


His Destinn sits exactly on his own NN (which makes it simplier to inteprete it, you get two for the price of one) - conjunct her Mercury


her Eros conjunct his Aphrodite
her Valentine square his ASC exact
her Juno conjunct his Venus exact
her Adonis conjunct his Destinn and NN

his Valentine opposite her Sun exact
his Valentine square her Mars
his Juno conjunct her Uranus exact
his Adonis opposite her Eros


Probably juicy enough. They also have a wide DW of Eros-Psyche-opposition (with orbs of: 2°39 and 2°34 - I think I would count it especially with the other juicy aspects).


BTW he had that with his ex wife, too. Her Psyche (and Saturn) were conjunct his Eros.
And he also shared very intense challenging aspect with her, including her Uranus and Pluto squaring his Venus and ASC.
Plus a DW of Venus-SN-conjunction.

I guess he likes it "hot" and "karmic".

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Oh and both have an Aquarius-Moon.

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