posted August 04, 2010 05:13 PM         

you may not want to hear the truth, but for your own good i will let you in on something.

1- if he hasnt brought up plans of marriage with you until now, he never intends on marrying you.

2-if you want to know his plans with you, ask him directly and tell him to give you a direct answer because you deserve it

3- read Act Like a Lady think like a man, by Steve Harvey. Im sure it will open up your eyes.

Forget him being a Virgo.
He is a man. Which makes him very easy to figure out believe it or not, as men are the simplest of creatures.
From reading your story i can tell you he loves you and cares for you but he has told you clearly he is not in love with you. And if after 2 years he hasnt fallen in love with you, he never will.

Sorry it sounds so blunt but you have to stop wasting your time and go find a man that has the same plans as you. This guy may be a great guy, but hes not great for you.

posted August 04, 2010 05:43 PM         

I came very close to writing something along the lines of what Rubi wrote, because, personally, I know if a man gave me that "I'm not in love with you" line, I'd be crushed and I'd be outta there so fast his head would spin. I am a real typical Scorpio woman - I've gotta have passion or I die. If I think my man doesn't love me passionately, I can't stay with him.

Then again, my view of relationships is not everyone's, so in deference to that... I say: put up the synastry and the composite and let the experts here weigh in, if they wish. Maybe this guy and you have amazing synastry and he's just putting you through some sort of rigamarole testing without revealing his true intentions. Maybe if you 'pass' the tests, he intends on marrying you. Who knows? Perhaps the charts can tell us more...

posted August 04, 2010 06:22 PM         

The book & movie, "He's just not that into you," jumps to mind...read/watch it! Rubi is right, a man is still a man regardless of sign.

Now to your question with Virgos...
I'm curious, does he have Mercury in Virgo as well?? (sounds like it).

I'm pretty hardcore Virgo myself, and oddly enough, many of my closer friends are Virgos too. I think this comes down to 2 reasons, because their sun is in my 12H, so we identify with each other more. The second reason is because we share in common, a very different way of thinking/approach when it comes to relationships...that "most" other signs cant relate to (from my own observations).

posted August 04, 2010 07:22 PM         

It never fails... I've had friends of mine date Virgo men, and when things start to go south, the Virgo guy will tell the other person in their fights or even just in every day conversation: "I don't know what I want. I love you, but I'm not IN love with you. You're a great person, but I'm just not attracted to you in that way any more. Etc. Etc." The women never believe them though, because the Virgo guy will still act affectionately (usually out of a sense of guilt or obligation) or the woman will still try to rope the guy back into the relationship and hey... He's not going to say no to no strings attached sex. (I'm just saying).

I'm a Virgo as well, and I can say for a fact that I did date someone (for a very brief time) that I knew it wasn't going to work out with (he was very emotionally volatile and I DO NOT want that in a relationship). Initially I kept dating him because we were very compatible on an intellectual level and he was super interesting. In the back of my head though, I knew it wasn't going to work out. I kept thinking that maybe if I just spent more time with him or maybe if I saw a different side of his personality I would be able to fully be in a relationship with him... But that didn't happen, and I already knew it wasn't going to.

This is the case for MANY of the mutable signs (not just Virgos). We are indecisive people. We think that maybe if we keep going our feelings will change or intensify, but they rarely do. We think we can INTELLECTUALIZE love, but we CAN'T. We either feel a certain way or we don't. And usually... A Virgo will tell you exactly why it is that he can't be with you.

So, if you really truly think that your relationship with him is not leading anywhere (and you WANT it to go somewhere serious), I would listen to your gut, NOT your heart, YOUR GUT and go with what it says.

posted August 04, 2010 07:35 PM         

But i dont love you, never will really.

Lifes up to the user.. You can think yourself a plaything, But if your thinking of getting out you dont really love him either, hes a plaything too.

Its childish, grow up

*disclaimer* this isnt aimed at anyone here in particular, just a generalization on my viewpoint

posted August 04, 2010 11:23 PM         

But as a virgo myself. I tell it as it is (even though I have alot of libra in my chart)

Two years and no title? What are you waiting for hun? Don't tolerate that kind of treatment.
It's like being in a relationship with someone for 5 + years and having the guy not even mention marriage.

posted August 04, 2010 11:54 PM         

Take it from a Virgo...we are not the cold fish that some would have you believe! We are deeply romantic and passionate people! When we love, we love hard. When we fall, we fall hard.

You have been with this man for 2 years. It is a concern that you have not met his family. It is a concern that you can ask him if he has ever been in love and he says NO. He is telling you that he is not in love with YOU. How awful!

This has nothing to do with him being a Virgo and everything to do with him being an emotionally repressed JERK. Dump him immediately.

posted August 05, 2010 12:03 AM         

Have you had a relationship were two people wanted to make it work but it just wouldn't and because of that both were miserable?

Both complain about each other behind the others back, it's nothing new really.

Some people would give anything to be in a relationship even if it was just to complain, it's not sad but a reminder life isn't "jersey shore" really.

posted August 05, 2010 06:48 AM         

Here's what I think: I think you should move out. I think if he comes after you and declares he needs you back, you can have the ultimate conversation. And if he lets you go without an argument... well, then you haven't wasted any more time with someone who's lukewarm about you.

Maybe you drew this relationship into your life to learn a lesson about self-esteem?

posted August 05, 2010 08:01 AM         

Regardless of our need to see people succeed and to never get into situations like this, you have got to see that this is not a new problem, both genders have had this happen to them at one point or another.

Some people have they're role to play in this story, not everyone gets to be the prince or princess that all good things happen to.

--viewpoint

The universe is cold and impersonal, Humans are affected by this but think it to be otherwise, Safe.

posted August 05, 2010 12:36 PM         

i think you should follow your heart. for me, i'm ok with my guy because yea, i don't care for the titles either and if we are happy, then whatever we are it's fine. whatever he says i know he loves me above anyone else in the world.

for years we were "friends" who were unusually close, mostly emotionally, sometimes physically. finally i got fed up and started separating my life from his. then he woke up! he realized that he wanted to be exclusive with me and then so we became more like a couple but still without the "titles".

posted August 05, 2010 01:24 PM         

Titles.

I like the previous posters comments on titles don't matter if its love.

Ever wonder why "Married" people get divorce?

posted August 05, 2010 04:48 PM         

and actually, i think people should care or not care about "titles". "sticking to the titles" isn't necessarily a bad thing, and just because i don't care about titles, it doesn't make me cooler or "know better". it's just that i have confidence in us. it took a long time to get here.

recognizing titles can be a simple way to show appreciation for the other. it can be hard for my case, because me and my partner are going through a difficult time in our life at the moment, and he can be uncommunicative, too absorbed of taking care of his daily business. then i wish i could dwell in the comfort of the conventional title giving while his "absence".

i'm cool with our status because i know one reason he doesn't call me a girlfriend is because i am "more than a girlfriend" to my partner. but that's a very special case.

posted August 07, 2010 02:38 PM         

But my Sun's in Virgo, and I often have the ultimate poker face...when I'm not grinning from ear to ear and laughing my butt off...thanks Mars in Sag.

But the latter comes when I know someone. If I don't know you from Adam, you'll likely get very few cues from me. I think it intimidates some people that they can't read me. People will often ask me if I'm "OK". And they keep pressing the matter. This riles me up to no end. Just because I'm not like someone else, or what they expect from others, doesn't mean I'm not OK. The best way to loose any potential to get to know me is to insinuate that there's something wrong with me.