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Topic: Persephone/Demeter myth in my chart and Mom's?
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naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted August 07, 2010 07:56 PM
I love reading Persephone/Hades/Demeter myths because I see myself in them. I am Persephone who was sheltered and innocent wanting to know about dark things. My mother, who I think takes on a Demeter archetype, was worried about this. Not to mention that I am her only child, too!I am wondering if both of our charts can explain the conflicts of our mother-daughter relationship. What strikes me as odd is that my mom also has a Capricorn ascendant and a Venus in Scorpio like I do. Here's a synastry chart where Mom's chart is on the outside and I'm on the inside. Uploaded with ImageShack.us
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 12:14 PM
naturalbeige. Where are the persephone/demeter/hades between you and your mother.Interesting. I checked out persephone/demeter/hades between my mother, me and my daughter. both my daugheters demeter 5,5 and my mothers demeter 7 conj my makemake 7 /fortuna 7 in leo, sext my moon. My mother and daughter this two people are the most important women in my life. My strong mother who I in many many year abondon. Nowadays I see her on positive way and I see our likeness. I love her today and understand because that is the reason why I am as I am today. My lovely strong daughter is one another who always look after me so I let me do the best. This 2 importent women in my life are one part to my luck in my life. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 4057 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 12:19 PM
You might want to check out the following objects in the chart: Ceres,Demeter,Proserpina,and Persephone
Ceres is the most important asteroid of all because it's a dwarf planet like Eris,Pluto,Makemake,and Haumea. No asteroid comes close to Ceres' size of over 900 km in diameter. Ceres is the only asteroid that is classed as a dwarf planet. It definitely should be separated from all the rest of the asteroids.
Their declinations,Right Ascension could also be relevant so can their nodes you can calculate them here: http://www.true-node.com/eph1/ keep the orbs small for the asteroid nodes no more than 1 degree orb for natal. I think no more than 1/2 degree orb for synastry.
------------------ Raymond Andrews, President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 12:24 PM
I will check out ceres betwen us also. My mother and me have also an exact square between our persephone. I react so strong because both of them have the same connection to the same place.IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 5406 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 12:26 PM
I agree on Ceres, definitely underestimated still.My Mom and me have a pretty exact Proserpina-Proserpina-trine. Her Demeter trine my Ceres (and PHolus and Jupiter).
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 01:17 PM
My daughters hades conj my moon. That's true ...she want me for her self .My mothers ceres 16 in taurus conj my Hades 13,57 maybe it's out of orb but..I think it works because the connection between ceres and Hades not works out well togheter as it not did in many year between my mother and me.. My Hades square my mothers haumea 1-2 and my Draconic karma 0-1...old karma behind. My mothers haumea conj my AC/Sun 0-1 My mothers haumea conj my Draconic Karma. What do you say about that glaucus? Mothers control on a leo sun/AC daughter. Do you believe on that ? My mothers demeter trine her owns persephone which in square to my persephone. This aspect make the connection between her and me worse.
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racole12 Knowflake Posts: 403 From: Cincinnati, OH, USA Registered: Feb 2010
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posted August 08, 2010 04:32 PM
what does Persephone mean in an astrology chart... IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 04:53 PM
persephone(proserpina) was daughter to Ceres(demeter)and Zeus. She was beautiful and everyone loves her.In love synastry the same as in the mytology Pluto be in love in persephone/proserpina. The only one pluto can be in love with. In synastry pluto in aspect to persephone/prosperina show strong love and connection between two people. Proserpina/proserpina in your own chart show where you can find your own beautiful. People who connect your persephone/proserpina have a strong attraction or drawing to you. IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 4057 From: Sacramento,California Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 05:02 PM
the mythological symbolism of Persephone/Proserpina is a girl becoming a woman, rites of passage to womanhood,losing virginity, leaving the nest,separation from parent,growing up, splitting between relatives, death/rebirthwhen she was on Earth, Spring and Summer what she was in Underworld, Fall and Winter ------------------ Raymond Andrews, President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement A Different Mind Is Not A Deficient Mind. http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=131944976821905&ref=ts IP: Logged |
naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted August 08, 2010 05:27 PM
I couldn't find the ephemeris for Prosperina and Hades (they are hypothetical objects). Here's what I found for Persephone and Ceres for Mom and Me using a different ephemeris site.Me: Ceres at 19 li 51'21" Persephone at 4 sc 41'58" Mom: Ceres at 2 ta 45'50 Persephone at 9 le 8'42" The ephemeris site I used was http://serennu.com/astrology/ephemeris.php. I had trouble understanding the site that was mentioned. IP: Logged |
DD Knowflake Posts: 5406 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 05:31 PM
Yes, exactly, Glaucus.Persephone / Proserpina is not a mere"copy" of Venus/Aphrodite, but tells the story of growing up, having to leave mother to become a woman in her own right. She also tells us about the depth and the darkness of the soul. AFter all she is becoming queen of the underworld with formidable magical powers, she reigns it with Pluto, as his equal partner. Though it must be said that Pluto abducted her at first and some stories say he raped her. I think this story is the story of a transformational process for all involved, Ceres / Demter, Pluto/Hades, PRoserpina/ Persephone.
Proserpina has to leave her mother and become a woman. Ceres has to learn to let her daughter go and LET her become a woman. Pluto has to learn to love, quite simply (in the beginning of the story he didnīt want to know anything about love; then Eros shot him, he saw Proserpina and the story developed). And he probably has also to learn to see his partner as equal and not posessing her completely (he has to let her go for half a year).
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naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted August 08, 2010 05:33 PM
According to the Llewellyn website, where Persephone falls in your chart has to do with what you are afraid of and what you have to do to find youself and achieve independence: http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/1092 IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1295 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted August 08, 2010 05:45 PM
naturalbeige. "According to the Llewellyn website, where Persephone falls in your chart has to do with what you are afraid of and what you have to do to find youself and achieve independence"That's it astrology. Many astrologer have different views about much and it's not sure anyone have wrong. Sometime there are more than one true. IP: Logged |
naturalbeige Knowflake Posts: 23 From: Portland, OR Registered: Jul 2010
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posted August 08, 2010 05:49 PM
I also understand that astrologers have different interpretations of the Persephone-Demeter myths. It can be literal or metaphorical, but the recurring theme here is letting things go.IP: Logged |