posted August 12, 2010 01:49 PM         

So, here's a question for all Knowflakes.

Does having too much Pluto/Scorpio/8th house stuff make a person super-stubborn like moi?

P.s. I know Scorpio is FIXED but I know a lot of Scorpions who are nowhere near as hard-headed as I am...either that or I'm a freak.

posted August 12, 2010 02:12 PM         

yes scorpio can be stubborn.

posted August 12, 2010 02:22 PM         

I have Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio. I can be quite stubborn. I have Mars in Aquarius too. Therefore, I have 4 personal planets in fixed signs.

but I can also be very flexible and change my mind a lot

and that's indicated by the mutable,cadent t-square Of Moon in Pisces in 6th square the opposition of retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th and Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd.

I also have a mutable angle axis
Virgo/Pisces Ascendant/Descendant and Gemini/Sagittarius Midheaven/Imum Coeli.

I have a very strong transneptunian chart, and so there is a lot of intensity there.
That includes Pluto's fellow plutinos Orcus and Ixion aspecting my Sun. My Sun is connected to the Eris Nodes. Eris is a transneptunian named after the Goddess of Discord, and so I am very prone to having alternative viewpoints that people will disagree with. I may not budge from unless I agree with the person. That discordant,controversial,argumentative nature can come across as being stubborn.

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Raymond Andrews,
President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 12, 2010 02:44 PM         

When I was in college ,I could have graduated Summa *** Laude, which was the top grade point average.
What I did was blow my finals on purpose. It was semi-conscious.
I could never look better than my mother or I was afraid a huge hand would come down from the sky and kill me.
I had to look good but not TOO good. I was always walking that line.
I still am ,actually.
I am much more afraid of my power than my weakness.
I don't think you have exactly the same thing as I do but perhaps some script which prohibits you from succeeding.
I think there is something but I can't get more of a hold on it than to share my story.

x o x Ami
PS --This site has a filter for words . I just figured out why I cannot write that whole word of how I would have graduated

posted August 12, 2010 02:57 PM         

words within: born not to burst/burn

posted August 12, 2010 03:53 PM         

I'm the stubborn one here. Just check out the forum link and you will see...it's like having two understanding and mature people trying to reason with a 2 year old about chocolate

Only I'm no 2 year old(in Earth times, atleast) and the issue is not chocolate.

P.s. I've no idea why I always end up calling you Mitch...is that okay with you?

posted August 12, 2010 03:57 PM         

Ami

posted August 12, 2010 04:03 PM         

With me, it's just the opposite. I wouldn't do it because I feel far too comfortable in myself and would rather make me happy than contribute one more person to this sorry world (I apologise if I sound too harsh)

I just know I can't endure the degree because it is not in sync with who I am. The degree is like this major UP on my social status because, you know, I'm gonna be a doctor. There's just a little bit of trouble about me not getting out alive.

I had to go through HELL to understand this and I'm not gonna forget it in a jiffy, that's for sure.

posted August 12, 2010 04:06 PM         

Ami

PS You can ALWAYS be honest with me

posted August 12, 2010 04:09 PM         

Your pain is felt, and appreciated.

Your half right, Mitchell.

posted August 12, 2010 04:18 PM         

Those were horrible times. I've got 49 scars on my left wrist, mementoes of a past now gone, but unforgotten.

But in hindsight, it helps. Whenever I feel really low and can't seem to motivate myself, I look at them and remind myself that come what may, I'm not going back to this.

I consider them a war memorial(Mars in Aries in 8th ) that is proof that I've passed through Hell and am still alive.

Sounds morbid but there you have it.

posted August 12, 2010 04:24 PM         

The traveller has to knock on all doors before he comes to his own...

posted August 12, 2010 04:25 PM         

temperence with stubborn-isms produces gigantic huge rewarding results.

learning to listen is developing temperence.

i am very stubborn, but, the good in it is-

if i set my mind to something - i do it - bar nothing

if i make up my mind about something - not much can sway me.

the thing is, learning to listen, learning to focus, learning some temperence...choosing your battles. that comes with maturity. once that happens, not much can stop someone who is not a quitter, and stubborn people are not quitters.

i can outlast the strongest of men and fear none. everything that can be done has been already been done to me, so what is there to fear?

but being stubborn...everything i ever set my mind to do, i accomplish.

how can that be a bad thing?

posted August 12, 2010 04:29 PM         

Then something else happened and through my world upside down.

Now i look at them differently.

posted August 12, 2010 04:43 PM         

So, I call upon Venus in Libra to balance it out. But I do agree with your point. As long as one is flexible, it is no problem.

Stubborn, not closed-minded.

P.s. I am narcissistic, just in case

posted August 12, 2010 04:46 PM         

If I hadn't been through all that pain, I would not be half the person I am today.

It strengthens you in some way, all that suffering.

posted August 12, 2010 05:14 PM         

I just think humans are a bit too fatalistic. I mean just about everything with this species is like black or white. Either something's good(read easy) or it's plain bad(read evil/nasty/bleeding hell etc.)

I believe we chose this existence before we came here. And whatever happens to us, happens for a reason. I can quote a dozen examples from my life both small and large ones...and my worst nightmares became the source of my greatest strength when I faced up to them.

Sadly, most people don't break free of the cliches and the world's always black or white.

posted August 12, 2010 05:26 PM         

You too. Take care.

posted August 12, 2010 10:25 PM         

Humans have been here 200 thousand?

I remember comparing the two numbers once and thinking humans are still in our infancy.

posted August 13, 2010 08:00 PM         

Ami

posted August 13, 2010 09:25 PM         

But I think, in this case - your considerations should not be what people think of you - or how you are viewed socially.

Whether you make decisions that are pro-society (some people want to have a certain public image and they work at it) ---- or anti-society/rebelling against social norms (i.e. wanting to completely neglect your public image)... The decision is made for the same "sort" of reasons.. which are not very practical ones.

I think your considerations should be more so 'daily' and practical.

-- Forget society for a second - how things appear and why they appear that way. -- And think about your daily life in the future. How would like this to be? What sorts of things would you like to be doing on a day to day basis - to support yourself?

You could easily work part time as a dentist.. for example (only a couple of days per week) -- and write and do everything else you like the rest of the week.

I think it's best to think about what kind of job you would find relatively "easy" - a job that would also get you a good enough income for you not to have serious financial worries in general - so that you can focus on those things that you love doing.

Saying "Money always comes, so I don't care.. I'm just lucky that way" - is a classic -lack of earth- thing to say.
You only have one planet in earth in your natal chart.

posted August 14, 2010 05:04 AM         

I have:

Pluto 60 Neptune
Pluto 0 Mars
Pluto 90 Sun
Pluto 120 Mercury
Pluto 60 ASC
Pluto 60 Uranus (not true - otherwise I could win by Lottery because Pluto is ruler of my 2nd and Uranus is ruler of my 5th). I play Lotto, once in a half year.

My ruler, Venus is in 8th (Pluto house).