posted August 13, 2010 03:56 AM         

Pluto is not driving me crazy.

My point is, Why are WE giving him so much strength? It's only one of the icy rocks in Kuiper Belt and not even the biggest one!

This is the quote from http://burro.astr.cwru.edu/stu/pluto.html

"If Pluto were discovered today, there is no doubt that it would be considered a Kuiper Belt Object and not a planet."

It was named Pluto by an 11 year old child with the help of her well connected Oxford librarian grandpa and not just after god of the underworld, but also because his first two letters are standing for Percival Lowell, who started, yes, started, the discovery of Pluto.

WIKI:

Percival Lawrence Lowell (March 13, 1855–November 12, 1916) was a businessman, author, mathematician, and astronomer who fueled speculation that there were canals on Mars, founded the Lowell Observatory in Flagstaff, Arizona, and formed the beginning of the effort that led to the discovery of Pluto 14 years after his death. The choice of the name Pluto and its symbol were partly influenced by his initials PL.

posted August 13, 2010 05:06 AM         

Pluto was thought to be as large as our Earth until the discovery of Charon in 1978. Then astronomers realized that Pluto was much smaller than the Moon.

In 1992, astronomers started finding other transneptunian objects, starting with 1992 QB1 which is classical kuiper belt object aka cubewano (based on QB1). 1992 was also the same year that the 2nd centaur was discovered after Chiron,and it was named Pholus.

It was also in the 1990's, it was discovered that Neptune's mass was calculated wrong. After the corrections, there were no discrepancies with the orbit of Uranus in relation to Neptune. Therefore, there was no need to search for a Planet X.

After the turn of the 21st Century, the debate about Pluto's planetary status was intensified as big transneptunian objects were discovered. It was only a matter of time that astronomers discovered an object larger than Pluto. That happened. It was Eris. That led to astronomers coming up with a new criteria that led to the demotion of Pluto with it becoming a minor planet and dwarf planet and the promotion of Ceres with it becoming a dwarf planet. Finally, Ceres and Pluto were equals in Astronomy.

I am one of the very small minority of astrologers that was actually glad that Pluto got demoted and was made equals with Ceres. Since my beginning interest in the transneptunians and centaurs in 2000, I started having doubts about Pluto's planetary status and thought that its days as a planet are numbered. I got very interested in the transneptunian objects as I kept finding with each big object that was discovered, it was making significant personal aspects in my chart.

As a person with Sun,Mercury,and Venus in Scorpio, I was not bothered by Pluto's demotion in Astronomy. I welcomed and applauded it. I thought it was about time. I always thought Ceres was highly underrated. Even now, most mainstream astrologers don't view Ceres as Pluto's equal. Solar Fire has extensive interpretations for Chiron but only sign,house placement intepretations for Ceres. Chiron isn't a dwarf planet nor comes close to being a dwarf planet. Chiron is less than 300 km in diameter,and Ceres is over 900 km in diameter. In 2000, I remember a person in Astrology who had the view that Chiron was a larger object than Ceres. That's because Chiron gets a lot more respect and publicity than Ceres which is looked as only an asteroid. Of course, some asteroid astrologers view Ceres as one of the 4 major asteroids that are more important than all the other asteroids.

My Sun in Scorpio is conjunct the Geocentric South Eris Node with 9 minutes of arc and oppose the North Geocentric Eris Node with 10 minutes of arc. It's no wonder that I am a "Scorpio" that's glad that Pluto got demoted because of Eris. hahahaha

My Earth in Taurus is conjunct/oppose the Heliocentric Eris Nodes with 10 minutes of arc.

I was born during a very strong Sun-Earth-Eris Node alignment.

Since the demotion of Pluto, I give it less weight now. I give it smaller orbs. I use the same orbs for Pluto as I use for all the other big transneptunian objects. That's 3 degrees for conjunction,opposition,square,trine. I use 2 degree for sextile. I use 1 degree for semisextile,quincunx,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile. I use 30 minutes for parallel and contraparallel. I can't see using the same orb as the planets' orbs. If I do that, then I might as well as use the same orbs for all the other big transneptunian objects. That would lead to a lot more aspects. I also look at Right Ascension, to see if any wide transneptunian aspects are narrower in Right Ascension. For example, I have Sun oppose Sedna with 3'16 orb. In Right Ascension,it's 44 minutes of arc. I realize why I strongly identify with Sedna.

The discoveries of Pluto's fellow transneptunians correspond with the 21st Century that we're in. I really believe that a 21st Century Astrology is needed, and I believe that Pluto's fellow transneptunians are a big part of it. I even believe that Eris could be the ruler of the 21st Century Astrology. It makes Uranus look normal.

The dwarf planet thing is not a good idea. There are over 70 objects meet dwarf planet criteria.

From largest to smallest,
Eris,Pluto,Makemake,Haumea,Ceres are the the dwarf planets

From largest to smallest,
Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion are the named transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.
Sedna,Orcus,and Quaoar are larger than Ceres. They are bound to be classed as dwarf planets.

There are other transneptunian dwarf planet candidates that have no names yet.
The largest of them is 2007 0R10 nicknamed "Snow White" It's smaller than Sedna and larger than Orcus.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 10:22 AM         

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posted August 13, 2010 10:43 AM         

At present, the International Astronomical Union classifies five objects as dwarf planets: Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake, though dozens of others are thought likely to be classified as such in the future. The qualifying feature of dwarf planets is that they must "have sufficient mass for their self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that they assume a hydrostatic equilibrium (near-spherical shape)."[1][2][3] Those dwarf planets lying beyond the orbit of Neptune are termed "plutoids", after Pluto. Except for Pluto and Ceres, observations are insufficient for direct classification. However, based on present knowledge of how icy bodies gravitationally relax into equilibrium shapes, there are currently about 80 potential candidates amongst the population of trans-Neptunian objects (TNOs).[4] It is estimated that there are around 200 dwarf planets in the Kuiper Belt and up to 2000 in the region beyond.[4] The first Trans-Neptunian object discovered since Pluto that is a solid dwarf planet candidate is (15874) 1996 TL66, and is estimated by the Spitzer Space Telescope to be about 575 km in diameter.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dwarf_planet_candidates

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 11:17 AM         

1996 TL66 is in 16'28 Pisces R in 7th
conjunct 2002 UX25 in 17'52 Pisces R in 7th
trine chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd

I will be very glad when astronomers start naming the remaining dwarf planet candidates. I'd like to know how these objects works in my chart when it comes to
relationships and how I think

as transneptunian dwarf planet candidate, I know that evolutionary intensification is involved in relationships and how I think

My Mercury trine UX25 definitely needs to be considered because the orb is 29 minutes of arc. That should greatly influence my thought processes.

My Mercury quintiles 2004 GV9 with 32 minutes of arc. I already know that I have Mercury biquintile Eris with 6 minutes of arc, and GV9 forms a 5th harmonic triangle with it.

I also have Mercury sesquiquadrate 2004 YM100 in 3'04 Aries R with 16 minutes of arc. I have Moon squine (105 degree aspect which is a 24th harmonic which is the 15 degree series of aspects) Mercury with 10 minutes of arc. I have Moon semisextile YM100 with 7 minutes of arc. It also semisextiles my Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R. Therefore, YM100 forms a 12th harmonic triangle with my Moon sextile Sedna. It's conjunct the Moon/Sedna midpoint in 2'38 Aries.

all the unnamed transneptunian objects that I mentioned are transneptunian dwarf planet candidates

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 11:26 AM         

The can of worms has already been opened with the use of Pluto in rectifying natal charts too.

Uranian Astrologers use hypothetical transneptunians to rectify natal charts too.

It's possible that the transneptunian dwarf planets and transneptunian dwarf planet candidates could fill in missing pieces when doing rectification.

We can't say that size matters. Astrologers threw out that argument a long time ago with the use of Pluto. They argued that Pluto is very powerful in spite of its small size.

Therefore, it could be argued that even smaller objects could be just as powerful and even more powerful than Pluto.
This could even include the transneptunian objects that aren't dwarf planet candidates. The discovery of the kuiper belt really complicates matters in Astrology. It's just not simple any more.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 12:41 PM         

but

Even uranian astrologers have observed how powerful an influence hypothetical transneptunian objects have in charts. They are very adamant about the profound influences of those objects. Eileen Nauman is a medical astrologer that uses the hypothetical transneptunians in her work. Martha Lang-Wescott uses them with asteroids.

Check out articles on Transpluto which is based on the ruled out Planet X hypothesis. There are astrologers that still believe that it is valid and can be used in Astrology. Eileen Naumann even believes that Transpluto factors into hyploglycemia. Cosmobiologist Eleonora Kimmell uses Transpluto,and she includes it in her books.

I read astrologers say that Pluto is so powerful that it effect the orbit of Uranus even though it's small, thinking that Pluto was the Planet X. The astronomers found out that Percival Lowell's calculations on Neptune's mass were wrong,and so there was no need to find a Planet X.

Maybe Pluto is thought to be very powerful because it orbits beyond Neptune. Neptune was the last planet in our solar system before Pluto was discovered and thought to be our last planet. Neptune is associated with dissolution, ruling the last zodiac sign, Pisces. Therefore, it made sense for Pluto to be associated with transformation and given Scorpio to rule over.

Now there are many transneptunian objects including big ones that have been discovered. There will be a lot more found too. They would have to be thought as very powerful and associated with transformation too.

of course,many astrologers don't consider that because it would greatly complicate their system

It's like how Magi Astrologers use Chiron and ignore all the other centaurs which number over 60. At least 10 of them have names. One is even named after Chiron's wife, Chariklo. There is even a centaur named after their daughter, Okyrhoe.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 02:13 PM         

I don't think WE give Pluto it's power, Pluto's power simply exists.

If Pluto were discovered today it would just be considered a Kuiper Belt Object.

Well...it wasn't just discovered today. Somehow Pluto attracted attention to itself, it must have run through the galaxy naked or something, but it got itself noticed, that's how Hollywood works.

Percival Lowell has since been given full credit for discovering Pluto. EDIT: I totally got this wrong. It was Clyde Tombaugh. I got the names mixed up.

You ask what makes Pluto so powerful apart from the name? I'm experimenting with a theory just off the top of my head in the moment. Pluto appears to act like a tool of EXTREME perspective such as using a magnifying glass to turn the light from the Sun into a tiny point of light and heat that can cause a fire without any effort on the part of the person holding the magnifying glass. Pluto is the drop of acid that looks like water but will eat right through you if it gets on you or any hard solid object. The drop of acid may be small and clear and SEEMINGLY harmless, but you don't want it on you, that's for sure.

I suppose it's a matter of yours or our own perspective. We want things in life to be simple and easily identifiable and not dangerous, but mystery abounds in life (Pluto-Scorpio rule mysteries along with Neptune) and Pluto's power could be one of them.

posted August 13, 2010 02:22 PM         

Pluto has an inclination of 17 degrees away from the ecliptic

When Pluto was discovered, it was 12 minutes latitude south of the ecliptic. Therefore, it made it easier for Tombaugh to discover it.

Astronomers finding more and more transneptunian objects because they realized that there are objects that orbit well away from the ecliptic. This goes especially for detached objects like Sedna and scattered disk objects like Eris.

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Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 03:26 PM         

Are you strong in the 21st century transneptunian objects (mainly the big ones)?

I am just curious.

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President,Executive Director of Developmental Neurodiversity Association
Supporting the Neurodiversity Movement

posted August 13, 2010 06:12 PM         

Your question: "If Pluto is not a planet, but JUST one of the many dwarfs, can it be AS or even MORE powerful then, say, Mars or Saturn?"

The answer is yes, Pluto can still be more powerful than Mars or Saturn. Many astrologers and scientists seems to feel that just because the classification of Pluto has changed that it's power has or should be changed. Well, if you change the name of a rose and make the price much lower, does that mean the rose doesn't smell as sweet or look as beautiful?

If you have a large non-poisonous snake and a very small deadly venomous snake, which one has the power to make you run away faster? The tiny venomous snake will make you run away faster.

posted August 13, 2010 06:16 PM         

Eris 2h Aries 11 19 opp Ven 8h Libra 15 38

Sedna 2h anaretic Aries opp Ixion 8h Libra

Varuna 3h Tau 25 18 exact opp Moon 9h Sco 25 39 and square Asc 28 44 Aqua

Orcus 5h Can 15 17 exact square Ven 8h Libra 15 38