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GypseeWind
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posted August 13, 2010 03:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
tell paternity from a birth chart.
Especially if you have only the child and one possible father.?

I know that's pretty far out, but, I mean, do you guys think that any placements can run in families???

I ask because, when my brother was around 25, or so,... my mom was going through a weird depression/midlife crisis thing, and for whatever reason she told him that our Dad may not possibly be his dad.

It made my brother spiral into a very bad depression, not that he wasn't on the brink anyway, but this really triggered a major break down..


and few years later, she recanted her story, saying that MY father IS his father, and nobody knows what to think.
Long story short, this was the beginning of my brothers major mental breakdown, and since then he's been homeless.
As of the last year or two, as we know.. he's living on the streets of San Francisco.

Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone here has ever done a study to see if they can prove or dispove another persons paternity.

Thanks. Gyps. <3

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Ami Ann
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posted August 13, 2010 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Gypsee
I have a book by Erin Sullivan about Astrology of Families.
You know what? I would ask IQ.
Perhaps, he could see from the charts.
According to my book, I think you could get valuable information.
She said you CAN see patterns repeated in parent/child charts

x o x Ami


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iQ
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posted August 13, 2010 05:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
I am working on some theories of Astrological Inheritance. I have this "faith" that whenever there is a doubt, Astrology will help us know "Yes or No" about the dad. But I must have the birthtimes for showing the highest probability.

For my son and me:
We have Asteroid CHILD conjunct.
His KARMA conjuncts my Ascendant
His Ascendant is conjunct my KARMA [3.5 degrees]

His Sun conjuncts my Venus
His Venus conjuncts my Sun [3 degrees]

Our Saturns are conjunct [3.5 degrees]
My Pluto quinucnx his True Node exact.
His Pluto opposes my Mercury exact.
His Jupiter opposes my Jupiter exact.

We have a shared Saturn Harsh Aspect. Mine is Saturn square Mars exact and my boy has inherited this as Saturn square Sun exact.

Judging by the above, there have to be strong personal planet patterns between a father and firstborn male child.

I will help Gypseewind. If we get even 5 strong hits, he can get over the depression.

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lalalinda
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posted August 13, 2010 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes a fourth house Neptune can show a secret regarding the birth.

If I was looking for a connection between your brother and father, I would look for a shared configuration.

Good luck

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cpn_edgar_winner
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posted August 13, 2010 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
i wish there was. for some reason the wanting to know true family heritage never goes away. i'm not even sure why. people who know don't really understand why it matters, but it does,.

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Diablo
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posted August 13, 2010 11:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diablo     Edit/Delete Message
I looked at the charts between me and my immediate family (there's 5 of us) and the amount of similarities that we all shared in planet placements and signs and aspect was unbelievable.

Eg.
Both me and my dad have Jupiter in Aquarius in the 11th house

Both me and my mother have Taurus Venus in the 2nd house as well as Pluto in the 7th

Me and my brother share Sun in cancer (6 days apart), sun opp. Neptune and Sun trine Pluto

Both my mum and sister have Saturn in the 1st (apparently having Saturn there gives the individual dark looks and black hair. They both have nearly black hair).

Tripped me big time. We all have DNA which we share with our parents and family, we also share astrological DNA too..I fully believe that parents planets/aspects/placements are passed on to their children...evidently lol

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posted August 13, 2010 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for cpn_edgar_winner     Edit/Delete Message
so are you saying that if you looked at 3 mens charts, you could possibly tell which one my father is?
geocosmic sweetheart looked a long time ago at one.

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posted August 13, 2010 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Accurate Birthtimes will help you CPN, as the progressed chart of the real dad comes into play. And after their Natals, the highest probability comes with the Draconic Charts.
My dad and brothers, we all have Draconic Sun or Dr Moon between 10 to 20 Pisces. My son's Natal True Node is 11 Pisces!

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posted August 13, 2010 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
5th. Horrible internet speed, not refreshing the pages.... I feel like Booker T...

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belgz
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posted August 13, 2010 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for belgz     Edit/Delete Message
There are only 12 signs, I don't want to get into the probability theory right now but chances are if you compare a few charts there will be similar planets/aspects as with comparison to anyone elses chart.

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posted August 13, 2010 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Correct BelgZ, which is why we have to look at exact aspects.

I checked for my Uncle on dad's side and his first born.

1. Father's Mars conjunct Son's Moon, exact.
2. Father's Venus conjunct Son's Mars, exact.
3. Both have Gemini Moons.
4. Father's DNA trines Son's Moon exact.
5. Father's Pluto quincunx Son's Mars exact.
6. Father's Saturn opposes Sun's Moon, 2.5 degrees.
Dont have unc's birthtime else I know for certain 1 or 2 exact aspects would have existed.

Then checked with 20 other men, NO EXACT ASPECTS OF PERSONAL PLANETS, though there was a sextile here and a trine every now and then.

Checked with me, we share a Y-Chromosome. And I found his Ascendant conjuncts my Venus exact and my Son's Sun exact.

Uncle and my Son have Saturn sq Saturn exact.
Both are Taurus.

Uncle and myself have a Saturn opposition Venus exact [Darn it, that is why we never managed to click in starting a business together, in spite of sincere attempts from my side... wish I had checked this synastry before!]
His Sun conjuncts my Chiron exact.

Do you see how the Y-Chromosomes have integrated? 3 of my uncles do not know their birthday. I checked with another whose birthdate is known.

Him and me:
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Saturn conj Jupiter exact
Mercury conjunct Jupiter exact
Moon trine Moon exact
Sun sq Moon exact
True Node conj Saturn, 2 degrees.

Him and my Son
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Saturn sextile Saturn exact
Mercury sextile Saturn exact
Saturn square Uranus exact
Mercury square Uranus exact
Saturn oppose Jupiter exact
Mercury oppose Jupiter exact
DNA trine Venus exact
Venuss quincunx Mars exact

Him and my Cousin
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Moon conjunct Moon, 2 degrees
Uranus conj Moon 2 degrees
Saturn opp Saturn, 1.5 degrees
Saturn conj Chiron, 1.5 degrees
Mercury conj Chiron, 1.5 degrees
Pluto trine Venus , 1.2 degree

Again, even without his birthtime, the Y-Chromosome has astrologically integrated through personal planets and Saturn in maximumcases.

I have not even glimpsed at the Draconics.

People, this can be done. Astrology can shed light on paternity.

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posted August 13, 2010 01:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message
Does asteroid CHILD come up frequently with people who have a baby together as well?

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iQ
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posted August 14, 2010 09:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for iQ     Edit/Delete Message
Technically it should, but I have not studied enough charts to confirm conclusively.

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soulful122
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posted August 14, 2010 11:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message
O_o My bf's asteroid Child conjuncts my South Node, guess I was a mother to him or something?

I dunno if you can really tell paternity from charts 'cause I don't have my parent's or grandparent's DOB's to compare with, but I noticed with my siblings we have some interesting aspects, so there should be strong aspects with parents too.

Sibling 1 - His ASC squares my ASC, and conjuncts my IC, his IC conjuncts my NN, DW Saturn conj South Node.

Sibling 2 - His MC conjuncts my NN.

Sibling 3 - Same as first sibling (their ASC/DSC, IC/MC's conjuncts). His ASC squares my ASC, and conjuncts my IC, his IC conjuncts my NN.

All 3 of their IC/MC axis conjuncts, I'm the odd one out, but my NN/SN is right there with them.

Sibling 1's Pluto quincunxs Sibling 2's Venus

Sibling 2's Pluto conjuncts Sibling 3's Venus

Sibling 3's Pluto conjuncts my Venus, his Pluto also opposes Sibling 2's Venus.

Also 3 out of 4 has a Cardinal ASC, luckily Sibling 2 is the odd one out this time, HAH!


Gypsee,

I'm sorry to hear about your brother's situation, I hope he will be okay one day.

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posted August 14, 2010 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not 100% positive on my dad's birth time, but if it's accurate his ASC conjuncts my DSC exactly.

Exact aspects between my father and I's charts:
My Child conjunct his Mercury
My ASC conjunct his SN
My Sun trine his Mars
My Mercury opposite his Pluto
My Moon square his Jupiter
My Moon square his Uranus
My Jupiter square his Jupiter
My MC square his Mercury
My Neptune conjunct his DNA

Interesting non-exact aspects:
Our DNAs in the same sign (9 degrees apart in Cap)
Our Karmas conjunct by 2 (in Virgo)... my Karma trines his DNA by 1 degree.
My DNA conjunct his NN by 3 degrees.

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GypseeWind
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posted August 14, 2010 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks IQ and everyone else.

I am working on the birthtime thing.
My Mom is either purposely not telling me or has a mental block about it, because she said like 3 different times so far, and I can't ask my brother of course.
My Dad lives in FL, he says he doesn't know where his birth certificate is, so, we'll see how or if this plays out...

My Mom said that there are two other possible fathers. One is dead and she can't remember his last name, the other is a famous musician, and still alive (Mom was a groupie there for awhile..) so, I'm not going to be able to compare anybody else besides my father.

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