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letram
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posted August 16, 2010 12:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
how significant have they been in your experience?

i was reading this page and thought i'd share it, see if any one else could relate to it:
http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/09/18/synastry-q-a-angle-rulers/

Sure. Some years ago, it was generally acknowledged that a relationship needed an angle contact to survive the long haul. I’m not sure I would go that far, but they are important. When a planet from another person hits my angle, it becomes a part of my being and becoming. It might be easier to understand if you think of the angles as highly sensitive antennae reaching out towards experience. The rulers of those angles facilitate the experiences we need to grow. The Asc/Desc angle is the one we mostly think of regarding relationships, but MC/IC contacts can also be intense. (IC contacts evoke deep family issues and issues surrounding personal power; MC contacts concern our feelings about our place in the world and the use of that power.)

A note:

It’s important to remember that no angle contact guarantees a partnership or the length of a partnership. These contacts are intense, but occur with others on a regular basis, and may explain the fascination or compulsion or closeness that we sometimes feel with complete strangers.

she goes on to speak on:

Angle rulers in aspect,

angle ruler in aspect to others angle,

progressed angles in aspect to angle rulers/planets

& more

"Synastry Conjunctions to angles: Natal

When someone’s planet conjuncts our angle, we see this person as embodying the planetary archetype. We are highly sensitive to the energy and feel compelled to draw it in to our lives, come what may. I’ve been looking at a synastry recently that simply shouldn’t be, but it illustrates the power of angle rulers contacting angles (any planet conjuncting an angle is important, but angle ruler contacts are particularly intense). Her relationship planets are all in Aquarius, where he is all earth and water. She fits his ‘inner script’ for partnership somewhat (more on this another day), but he is not at all a reflection of hers. Neither the composite nor any of the other relationship charts reveal anything special. However, his Uranus (more powerful as it’s the ruler of his Descendant) conjuncts her Ascendant. She literally experiences him as Aquarian, fulfilling her ‘script’. To top it all, his Uranus also conjuncts her anti-Vertex, and her life has been radically changed by the relationship (see the recent post on Vertex contacts). Her Mars, the ruler of her Descendant, conjuncts his Descendant –he experiences her sexuality in a very powerful and direct way (no matter that it’s incompatible with his own in terms of aspects). Her Venus is near enough to his Descendant to matter, though beyond the orbs I usually use for synastry. The relationship is literally hanging on by the angles. It’s all excitement and energy, which is what happens when the angles are stimulated. Whether this will last past their current progressed Sun/Moon contacts is anyone’s guess. The core natal chart usually wins out in the end. It’s possible things will cool when she realizes that he isn’t as exciting (in a Uranian sense) as she thought he was, and he may wake up one day to find that all that detached air is not really satisfying his touchy-feely earth/water needs."

i havent looked at the progressed stuff just yet, but i looked at the synastry im interested in, and noted there is

DSC rulers conjunct.

MC Ruler conjunct IC.

ASC ruler Trine DSC Ruler

IC Ruler Conjunct DSC.

ASC Rulers Inconjunct

P. DSC conjunct Sun

interesting descriptions i read.


i agree with her theory about angles being aspected by planets make the angle person really experience that planet energy from the other, giving off a 'script' that is attractive pottentially or unattractive to the angle person.

i agreea also because i have theorized that if a person for example has DSC in Aquarius, its not necessarily aquarian folks they are attracted to strictly, it can be the relationship its self, is the relationship/synastry energy filled with uranian aspects? the Aqua DSC person will be drawn to that relationship if not the person.

though i wouldn't argue in anyway that it means its as replaceable or compatible for long term desire or involvement, ut the energy i theorize can override some one with aqua placements. what good are the placements if we don't 'feel' or receive them in reception? we can only be attracted to what we see and feel.

aspects are ALWAYS going to be more noticeble, be it planet to planet, or angle to planet. over signs.


we already know this works/holds true to the fact that if some one for example doesnt have any scorpio placements but has prominent pluto and 8th house placements, scorp venus/dsc people will be attracted to them potentially.

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posted August 16, 2010 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for raspberri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's very important. I have Libra ASC and I Loveeee Libra men.

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posted August 16, 2010 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In my experience, an Angle contact in synastry has been very significant. I am Ultra-Attracted to men who's Asc's my Venus aspects.........it's crazy!!!! I'm like Also if my Sun and/or Pluto contacts their Asc. too..............

Also the ones who's personal planets contact my Asc, vice versa, they are ultra attracted to me........

Ascendant contacts are like glue, hard to let go. My ex-scumbag-ex-bf had a really hard time letting me go......his Venus contacted my Asc ...he would not let me go and even told me this once "I will never let you go, never let you get away, no matter what"........and it is true.... every time I thought, OKay, maybe this is it, now he will leave me alone.......sure enough.....he calls....... So I finally had to YELL at him and he finally let me go......

(Of course, we have many other strong ties including Pluto/Venus)

But my point is that the Asc is very strong.

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posted August 16, 2010 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't ever attract people to my ASC/DSC at 29 Gem/Sag (or even Can/Cappy) The people that are the closest to me have their Sun or Moon is conj my MC AND their ASC (or AC/DC ruler) is conj my 7th house ruler. Also, it seems that my Juno is a BIG magnet but it's opposite my 7th house ruler

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posted August 16, 2010 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for comica23     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me and my bf have opposed ACs. Before knowing his right birth time, I've always felt that we are kind of like opposites but similar in some way.

I think that compatible ACs can show a general personality and outlook compatibility, although I still wouldn't think that the compatibility between planets is any less important. I just think that each object represents a part of the picture, so that one can't substitute another - it just depends on what's more important for each of us.

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posted August 16, 2010 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most of my significant relationships have had mc/ic contacts, either the angles themselves or planets conjunct those angles.

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posted August 16, 2010 06:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The most significant relationships had connection to my venus/NN/mars stellium. Not anyone have been in conj to my Natal Sun/AC

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posted August 18, 2010 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GrlyGirl20     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I actually agree with this...

Touching my Mars (it's in Cancer conjunct both my Sun and Asc in Cancer), my DC (in Cap) or especially IC (in Virgo) house makes it nearly impossible and VERY difficult for me to get rid of the attachment to a person (even though I have Venus in the 11th and Mars/Jup/Uranus aspects). And likewise most of the guys I attract tend to have strong 4th house/Cap/Mars influences and/or a strong dose of Virgo in them.

I had a relationship with a guy that I met last year, and we bonded VERY quickly and intensely (while together and even after). It has taken me forever and a day to get over him, even though I've dated other people, and by all appearances have fully "moved on." And from the looks of it, he's had a hard time totally forgetting about me either (he stopped by my apt a few weeks ago out of the blue and I was out; but has not been able to deal with me nor even keep me as a facebook friend to save his life). He's an Aqua with Virgo Moon, Cap Venus and Rising. His Rising, and Venus fall in my 7th, and his Moon conjuncts my IC. My Sun, Asc, and Mars fall in his 7th, my Venus in his 4th, and my Moon (which also conjuncts his 1st), and Jupiter are in his 1st. Plus we had a ton of Pluto (including DW Sun/Mer/Mars Pluto aspects and Composite Sun/Venus Pluto aspects with Scorp Moon)...so the idea of letting go for an extended amount of time (I'm able to "get over it" for a while...then I'll think of something and kind of miss his jerky butt) has been quite hard on me...EVEN though he's an Aqua with Moon Square Uranus, and Jupiter. AND he's about as reliable and consistent as a crack head lol.

Edit...and when I use the house placements...I also mean the angles lol...but it was easier for me to say house numbers

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posted August 18, 2010 12:44 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Hope I'm not repeating anyone...


Angles are EXTREMELY important.

They are the fastest moving points in a chart.

Faster than the Moon.

Hence, they are the most personal.

Outer planetary aspects to angles
are especially significant in natal charts.

In synastry, its more important to have
aspects between angles and personal planets
or other angles.


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posted August 18, 2010 05:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Valus,

exactly.


If we are talking about soulmates and there are NO conjunctions to angles, most of the time I get VERY suspicious if there might be delusion at play. Especially IC and ASC seem to play a big part, usually with a mix of personal and outer planets, but with the outer planets the orbs have to be really tight, preferably under 1 or 2 degrees.

But even without speaking of soulmates, EVERY solid and deep personal relationship has conjunctions or antiscia-conjunctions to the angles or angle-rulers.

(Yes, I know this was an untypical "black-and white-statement" for me. But I really am certain about it. Some of the few things.)

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posted August 18, 2010 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for soulful122     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My Mars conjuncts my SO's ASC and squares his MC. His planets.. aspects nothing to my angles, though our IC's are parallel to each other. I wonder if that's even significant. How do parallels get interpreted in angle aspects and do they matter much?

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posted August 18, 2010 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thanks for the replies all!

did anyone here look into the Rulers of their angles and see what aspects they have made/make to their partners?

im looking at ours again,

this time at angle-to-personal planets.

for her, im not sure if some of them count,

but my mars makes a wide conjunction to her IC, i don't tihnk my jupiter counts but it is next to her ASC in the 12th widely. Saturn and Neptune conjunct her DSC within 1-2 degrees. does Chiron count? mine conjuncts her ASC.

in her case, her Jupiter conjuncts my MC, her Mercury conjuncts my DSC.

do you think personal planets in these angular houses are nearly as significant?

in hers, i have venus in her 4th, moon in her 10th, neptune, possibly saturn aswell, in her 7th.chiron in the 1st.

in mine she has pluto in my 4th, jupiter in my 10th, mercury & sun in my 7th, with the sun conjunct my NN exact almost.

should i consider my DSC is conjunct her Moon & Sun midpoint? who is to feel it more??


do we just look at conjunctions to the angles? or other aspects?

in progression, my p.ASC/DSC is exactly conjunct her natal Sun.

her pluto is conjunct my p. IC/MC.

her p. MC is exactly conjunct my natal Moon, and widely her IC is conjunct my natal Venus.

has anyone looked at the rulers of their angles and seen if they have aspects?

i rread the description of the 7th house rulers being conjunct and its very true.

are rulers of angles in aspect not so significant generally?

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posted August 18, 2010 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ruler of angles carry the themes of the particular angles into another area of life, so YES, they are significant. It is actually almost ridiculous how often the ruler of 7th house is being triggered.

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posted August 18, 2010 11:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting.
My Asc ruler conjuncts his Sun by 11 min! (And his MC/Venus(IC ruler)/Uranus) His Asc ruler squares my Sun(Desc ruler)/Neptune/MC...
I wonder what that means.

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posted August 18, 2010 11:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A natural compatibility and innate understanding for each other`s nature (the ASC-ruler-Sun conjunction).
Which house does Sun rule?

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posted August 18, 2010 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Yin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted August 18, 2010 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for letram     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, does that mean its incompatible if my ASC ruler (Sun) opposes her Sun?


her sun is ruled by her 3rd, and is interestingly, in her 9th house.

her ASc ruler inconjuncts my ASC ruler, and her DSC ruler trines my ASC Ruler, her IC Ruler opposes my ASC..

hmm


DO we consider personal planet aspects to angles other than conjunctions?

her ASC/DSC tightly squares my Moon, widely my Venus.

her Venus trines my ASC, Pluto Squares it..

my Pluto trines her ASC, and my mars Sextiles her ASC.

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its perfectly alright Yin, aha.. this topic isnt about my synastry. its open to all.

p.s. good to see you posting in this forum too Valus!

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posted July 20, 2012 02:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bambam     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've noticed recently that angle contacts, in my experience, are much more potent compared to planetary aspects in synastry. I've compared many a synastry charts between myself and a number of people that I have been acquainted with throughout my life. The most significant and lasting relationships are the ones with strong angle contacts. Although synastry contacts might contain a fair amount of squares and oppositions compared to trines and sextiles. Now, the relationships that I do not consider significant in my life but nice and easy are the ones with very good planetary contacts but not enough angle contacts.

I have very strong angle aspects with one of my friends (her MC conjunct my ASC and Mars, her IC conjunct my Moon, her ASC conjunct my IC, her Venus and Moon conjunct my MC). Basically we have strong angle contacts with ALL of our angles. Besides that, we have overall bad planetary aspects (Moon square Moon, my Moon square her Venus, my Sun square her Mars, her Moon square my Neptune) but she is one of the most significant people in my life in a good way. I feel like I've met a life-long friend/companion in her. I can spend all day with her (normally I would get bored of a person so easily with my Aries Venus and Aquarius Moon) but I get a strong feeling of fulfillment from being with her.

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posted July 20, 2012 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bambam,

I wouldn´t underestimate personal planets in aspect, but I have made the same observation concerning conjunctions to angles or strong aspects to the angle rulers.

They are at least of equal importance.
And they are definitely necessary to bring a relationship into "manifestation".

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posted July 20, 2012 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for inthemisosoup     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I've found the angles very important and all kinds of relationships; not just romantic.
If only I knew more of my friends' birth times, then I could really come up with good conclusions. But basically all of my important relationships have angles and angle rulers making hard aspects with personal planets. If you have a significant relationship and are lacking strong angle contacts; check your progressed chart and compare it with the other's natal/progressed and vice-versa.

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posted July 21, 2012 05:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by inthemisosoup:
I've found the angles very important and [b]all kinds of relationships; not just romantic.
If only I knew more of my friends' birth times, then I could really come up with good conclusions. But basically all of my important relationships have angles and angle rulers making hard aspects with personal planets. If you have a significant relationship and are lacking strong angle contacts; check your progressed chart and compare it with the other's natal/progressed and vice-versa.[/B]


I also find that hard aspects between angles and even to the Nodes and Vertex work best and are most effective.

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posted July 21, 2012 11:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In every imp0rtant r0mantic relati0nship and friendship I've had till n0w, the other pers0n's planets fell in my houses 1/10/7.

My dad's jupiter/desc fall in my 10th, pluto/mars/uranus/ic in 7th, m0on/asc in 4th and chir0n/mc in 1st.

M0m's scorpio Sun/merc/nept/nn0de in my 10th, m0on in 4th, pluto/uranus in 7th.

N0one I kn0w touches my 4h except for my parents. And my feelings run deep only for them.

All my real bfs dumped their pers0nal planets in my 10th. They indirectly influenced my career choice and reputati0n. When I lo0k back, I'm where I am because of them. N0thing em0ti0nal.

The asc/desc axis is the 1st this or 1st that. Pers0nal relati0nships. Eg - 1st pers0n I called a "close friend" had an aqua Sun. 0nly L0ng term friend(9 years) has a leo m0on and mars. 1st kiss, he had an aqua saturn/desc c0nj my asc. 1st guy I kind of loved had a singlet0n leo venus. The only friend I see as a father figure has his nn0de on my asc and Sun/Venus in my 7th.

The last thing you should make a hard aspect to is my asc ruler, uranus in the 12th. I will run if I start caring for you! T0o much of mental stress and brings out the WORST uranian/nept traits in me. I had it with s0me0ne I ended up caring for. Day 1 - casual date in a restaurant. 2 m0nths later - date with a psychologist.

Vertex aspects c0nfuse me. Many of my friends have their m0on/sun on mine. But n0t all of them have made a difference in my life. This friend has his Sun/merc on my vertex and n0thing important in the past 3 years. The same with an0ther who has her m0on on it and saturn opp it. 0n the other hand, my parents have their pluto on my vertex and they gave birth(pluto) to me. The first and 0nly guy(virgo) I genuinely liked had his desc on it.

I d0n't kn0w how it feels to have s0me0ne's planet 0n my nn0de. Sn0de, a lot of experience. I ( sn0de pers0n) either willingly left or s0mething s0mehow brought about an end. N0thing thunderbolt like. Gradual process without much fuss. The planet pers0n leaves a mark.
I had my venus/merc on the virgo's nn0de. It was an extremely difficult relati0nship. Even the c0mmunicati0n was bad. Every damn thing and pers0n wanted to destroy it. I still run away fr0m him.

I've found the Sun/m0on midpoint to be activated in important relati0nships. If n0t in synastry, I see the c0mposite Sun or M0on on it.

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