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bonadea33
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posted August 17, 2010 02:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
I have seen in other Forum, where female member wrote, that she has survived her 2nd Saturn Return. She posted her Chart.
I have survived (and more) and here is result between Natal Chart and Saturn Return.
-----Natal Chart aspects Saturn Return aspects

Sun 60 Moon------------------Sun 120 Moon
Sun 150 Neptune-------------Sun 180 Neptune
Moon 90 Uranus--------------Moon 90 Uranus
Moon 120 MC-----------------Moon 90 MC
Mercury 60 Uranus-----------Mercury 180 Uranus (more stupid)
Mercury 90 MC---------------Mercury 0 MC
Venus 60 Mars----------------Venus 60 Mars
Venus 120 Neptune-----------Venus 120 Neptune
Mars 60 Neptune--------------Mars 180 Neptune
Mars 0 Pluto-------------------Mars 120 Pluto
Jupiter 90 Saturn--------------Jupiter 60 Saturn
Jupiter 0 Chiron---------------Jupiter 120 Chiron
Jupiter 0 ASC------------------Jupiter 60 ASC
Saturn 90 Chiron--------------Saturn 180 Chiron
Saturn 90 ASC-----------------Saturn 120 ASC
Uranus 0 NN-------------------Uranus 60 NN
Uranus 120 ASC---------------Uranus 120 ASC
Neptune 60 Pluto--------------Neptune 60 Pluto
Neptune 0 ASC----------------Neptune 90 ASC

Planets in the houses:

Sun in 7th-----------------------Sun in 9th
Moon in 5th--------------------Moon in 1st
Mercury in 6th-----------------Mercury on MC
Venus in 8th--------------------Venus in 8th
Mars in 10th--------------------Mars in 9th
Jupiter in 1st--------------------Jupiter in 10th (I should have it in Natal Chart)
Saturn in 10th------------------Saturn in 8th/9th
Uranus in 9th-------------------Uranus in 4th
Neptune in 12th----------------Neptune in 3rd
Pluto in 10th--------------------Pluto in 2nd (natal ruler of 2nd)
NN in 9th-----------------------NN in 6th
Chiron in 1st-------------------Chiron in 3rd.

Bobbie
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posted August 17, 2010 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I'm happy it's many year to I'm 60. My first saturn return was not a good one. I think it's best to ended my job in that time before someone else do it. I will think they put me out in that time.

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posted August 18, 2010 05:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
@popcorn,

If you think that I was happy until 29 or 30 years, you are very wrong. With 30 years I thought, it is the best solution for me: to die!

What happened until 29th year?

1. With 16,5 years I have got double pains: chronic sinusitis and atypical trigeminal neuralgia (for the second one I knew later);
2. With 23 years and 9 months I took many sleeping pills and was unconscious 48 hours, because somebody found me (otherwise I could die then);
3. With 25 years I have met the right medical doctor, who gave me five (5) healthy years;
4. I have lived in three (3) different countries;
5. I have learnt three (3) foreign languages;
6. I met three (great) loves: three (3) men from three (3) different countries;
7. With 29 years I lost my working Visa in abroad.

The last one was point on I! So we say when all goes wrong, at once!
After that with 30 years I have returned to my home country and thought: my life is over!

Today, I am happy when there are no pains and I feel and look normal, as I should.

Now, I like myself more than with 24 years (from the reason, I know a lot about my pains), when I was somebody else with puffy and strange face. Beside that those pains are terrible. Neuralgia's are very painful. My female doctor told me few days ago, that she knows how hard those pains are. The problem is, none doctor or medical investigation can show that or give some proof (X-rays, CT scan and MRI).

To be young is not necessary to be happy!

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posted August 18, 2010 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maira     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie, please post your chart if you can, there are a lot of great astrologers here that can give advice

Unrelated to astrology, I also had trigeminal nerve pain, I know how excruciating the pain is. They say it's like childbirth. I had transiting Uranus conjunct my Mercury at the time, it was horrible. If they ever come back, you should try a vitamin B complex, like Milgamma N. For short term, I used an over the counter pain reliever, the only thing that worked, it's called Tador in my country, and the active ingredient is Tromethaminum.

I'm also having my Saturn return right now. It hurts like hell, but know that this too shall pass!
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posted August 18, 2010 09:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Maira,

Thank you for kind words.
None Astrologer can help me, as long as Neptune Transit is in exact square with my Natal Venus.
Now, I can't complain that there are doctors wrong about me. I have two wonderful female doctors, they want to help me, but have no idea, how?
Beside all, my all Natal Charts are different: everywhere is some missing aspect. This Spanish Chart gave me all Quincunx instead of BiQuintiles.

1st Natal Chart:

2nd Natal Chart:

3rd Natal Chart:

4th Natal Chart:

Bobbie

p.s. There are all planets and degrees of planets. Some aspects are not right and some are missing.

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posted August 18, 2010 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie
Progressions for 18 August 2010

Progressed Sun Can 08°32'
• in 9th house of natal chart
• square natal Mercury (Ari 10°02') orb: 1°31' wax. app.
Progressed Moon Leo 03°18'
• in 10th house of natal chart
• conjunct natal Mars (Leo 02°10') orb: 1°09' sep.
• quintile natal Chiron (retrograde, Lib 16°43') orb: 1°24' wan. app.
• quintile natal Ascendant (Lib 13°50') orb: 1°28' wan. sep.
Progressed Mercury Leo 04°00'
• in 10th house of natal chart
• conjunct natal Mars (Leo 02°10') orb: 1°50' sep.
• quintile natal Chiron (retrograde, Lib 16°43') orb: 0°43' wan. app.
Progressed Venus Leo 15°03'
• in 10th house of natal chart
• inconjunct natal Moon (Pis 13°34') orb: 1°29' wax. sep.
• sextile natal Uranus (Gem 15°12') orb: 0°09' wax. app.
• sextile natal Ascendant (Lib 13°50') orb: 1°13' wan. sep.
Progressed Mars Vir 06°05'
• in 11th house of natal chart
• trine natal Sun (Tau 06°46') orb: 0°41' wax. app.
Progressed Black Moon Sag 06°18'
• in 2nd house of natal chart
• inconjunct natal Sun (Tau 06°46') orb: 0°29' wan. app.
• sextile natal Neptune (retrograde, Lib 06°28') orb: 0°11' wax. app.
Progressed Ascendant Sag 01°31'
• in 2nd house of natal chart
• trine natal Mars (Leo 02°10') orb: 0°39' wax. app.
• sesquisquare natal Midheaven (Can 16°53') orb: 0°22' wax. app.
• inconjunct natal Vertex (Tau 03°15') orb: 1°44' wan. app.
• conjunct natal Black Moon (Sco 29°10') orb: 2°21' sep.
Progressed Midheaven Vir 20°57'
• in 12th house of natal chart
• sesquisquare natal Sun (Tau 06°46') orb: 0°50' wax. app.
• square natal North Node (retrograde, Gem 21°46') orb: 0°50' wax. app.
• square natal South Node (retrograde, Sag 21°46') orb: 0°50' wan. app.

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posted August 18, 2010 02:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie. I'm not young either. I remember my first saturn return. I lose my job an a very dramatical way. Because that I think I will lose my job again on the same way. I can only guess. I say exact as you. I've never been so happy and feel so good as now. It be better as older I be and I also think that are typical us women that we often also be stronger and stronger as older we be.

My saturn return includes so much in natal chart.
When I get my saturn return I aspect below
Saturn conj my Draconic moon/nessus
Saturn square my N moon/nessus
Saturn square DR merk/uran/pluto
Saturn square DR saturn
Saturn opp my merk/uran/pluto
Saturn trine my Venus/NN/mars

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posted August 19, 2010 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Hi popcorn,

I don't use Asteroids, except Juno. I have enough proves with the planets, only.
When I was looking before Transits from Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto: they all slowly made opposition (in Scorpio) to my Sun and it was bad time. Uranus in Aquarius in square to my Sun didn't make me many problems. In contrary, it was good time, maybe because Uranus has no aspect to my Natal Sun? Uranus there had also trine to Natal Uranus.

Now I see that Transits to Venus are also important. Why now and not before?

About my 1st Saturn Return, something more:

1. With 23 years I met one man, the first foreigner in my life. He was my friend, but I wasn't in love with him.
2. With 27 years I did something, what I wouldn't do today (I can't write, what).
3. With 28 years I made some other big mistake that has changed all my life: later.

About the job: toward the end of 2nd Saturn Return I have left the job because of terrible pains. I had very nice job and nobody did understand, why I did it.

Beside the pains I have other problem: the men are always between 25 and 30 years old, when I met them, but I am every day older. If there wasn't age difference, maybe I would be healthier (and happier)?.

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posted August 19, 2010 07:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes I hate saturn and feel it stop my whole life but not. Saturn stop but my life go forward. When I looking backwards in the feeling of stop process It always happend much. Now in long time transit saturn square my natal venus/NN/mars. I feel my life goes slow forward and saturn stop and hammer. In this time I sold my old flat and buy a new one and moved and expanded my life to give me a better future. Here I feel I want to stay in long time.

I also breake off my bad relationships with my old love. I've not go back to him and is so proud of that.

My first saturn return I lose my job but the life bring me a new better job.

Saturn is the planet I've most respect to. It's the planet who make and build my life serious and strongt. The reliability and stable of saturn made me happier in the end.

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posted August 19, 2010 09:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Usually with Saturn on MC, we are alone guilty for many bad events that happen and only we fall down like from the 10th floor (and stay alive).

In my case, Saturn has two faces:
to be in conjunction with MC is good;
to have trine with the Moon is good, too.
Bad is when Saturn has square with my entire 1st house: ASC, Chiron (is the same as Saturn) and Jupiter.

Many times I have read that we lose all, more times in the life. It is true for me, because of moving around to find the right climate. There are also other signs of losing a lot. The truth is: I have lost all!

From other side many people have this aspect and they didn't lose all (in fact, nothing - one famous royal was born 3 days later and he has everything).

My 4th house in Capricorn and the ruler, Saturn in opposite sign (Cancer) means, that we are unhappy in the country, we were born. Here, where I am is something in-between: no home country and no abroad.

My NN in 9th means luck in abroad. Maybe one day I will go somewhere, where I can speak French. I was working more than 23 years in tourism, but there were very little French people.
I am asking myself: what for I speak foreign languages at all? To talk with myself!

WL, Bobbie

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posted August 19, 2010 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie. I've also lose everything two times but I've never lose my children, thanks GOD. For 7 years ago I took my children 400 kilometre away. In that time I had nothing and now I'm millionare and have a good job and friends and no problem with my children.

I not think it's your saturn who brings that to you that you describe into your life. My saturn are so strong and also hart aspected but I feel it's good the most of the time. Saturn square moon also be in many highly successful people.

I do not count your saturn in square to AC that's to wide for me.

Your saturn square your chiron in aspect and could be an break off aspect but many in your year also have the same.

Your venus in conj Algol that for me could be the feeling of lose everything... but wait to you falling in love. You really lose your head lol.

Your saturn for me get you the strength to suffer reverses.

I like your pluto its on my makemake and sun/AC

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posted August 19, 2010 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
@popcorn,

Saturn square Jupiter means, to lose everything. That aspect has many people, not only me.

1990, I bought some old stone house, about 25 km from sea side, in Istria. I love that area, but felt too bad to go down and repair it. First it was the war from 1991-1995 and I am afraid of the war, even if in that area wasn’t really war. There are people very different from other part of my birth country: very friendly and kind.
The same year as I bought the house, my mother has got gangrene and died end of November. After all that my Neuralgia pains were worse and I didn’t go anywhere. I can’t care about my health and the house. Finally, April 2001 my friends from the city on the sea side did help me to sell it: I have got 1/3 money from what I have paid. All that area is tourist area and the government has new rules: either repair old house or they will destroy it, totally. There is not allowed to have some ruins.
I was lucky to have my friends there.

About Algol: if Algol would be so bad in my 8th, together with Venus I would be dead before my 24th year. Beside that Venus in 8th is not my money. Pluto is my money (ruler of my 2nd).
One Astrologer wrote to me, 2001 that my Venus will bring me some inheritance and I won't have problems with the money (I had big problems from 2003 until last year, 2009).
Beside all those pains I was betrayed over Internet Scam and lost my last money. My ex friend (my Karma) sent to me money to have for myself and I lost it again (we broke up that year second time, before loss of money).

Maybe somebody from "over there" has punished me, because I wrote to him, I don't feel well to be with him or anybody else. I told him few months before that, that there is a new love for him in abroad (his Uranus retrograde, ruler of 5th became direct). He did find new love: in abroad.

From other side, ruler of 8th in 8th means, it will be delay of inheritance. Maybe it will be few months before death?

Bobbie

p.s. About Saturn square ASC: that is true. Maybe you use smaller orb?

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posted August 19, 2010 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting with pluto in house 2. I have pluto in house 2. I lose our house and my exhusband, he died the year before I moved. I leave everything also my friends. My daughter our dog and me moved into a small cellar flat. That was the begin to something so good....

saturn square jupiter = you lose everything. I do not agree with you here. To much generation effect.

I use max 5 degree orb. I only use max in orb if there are a stellum.

I've merk 7 in virg, uranus 8 in virgo ,pluto 12 in virgo. I count my pluto conj uranus because the stellium. My house 2 ruler are merk.

Your venus/algol in house 8. House 8 are much importent part to our investment in the life. Your venus in house 8 also show where you love to be. To buy a house or a flat are big investments in our life. Your house 8 rules venus...

I've algol conj horus conj my first name Helena in house 11

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posted August 19, 2010 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie. Check your Solar arc SEDNA progression on that time. In the time when I lose everything I had SA sedna conj my N moon and Draconic merk/uran SA sedna also square my N merk/uran.

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posted August 19, 2010 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
I have all those aspects from many Astrologers (I collect my and famous people Charts).

You use small orb.

Now, let's look my Venus and my Neptune: they are in different signs and 9 orb apart. Some Astrologers give me trine and some not.
When I think about me and my feelings: I am Venus-Neptune person. I couldn't live together with someone every day, all day long. For me was the best solution when I had one platonic relationship: I met him 6 days before my 30th birthday. It was on one Isle. He was journalist.
I have spent one night with him in the Hotel: it was something like”love at first sight” but we had nothing serious, we have only talked all night.

I still was in abroad and came back, in June. In July I have met him again in one restaurant, my favourite restaurant. He gave me then his address and I gave him mine. He wrote to me letters and postcards, regularly. When I came next year to work in Tourist Office on the same Isle, his friend told me that my sympathy went away to Australia and New Zeeland to work there.
I was working two more seasons on the sea side and came here, where is winter and summer season). He wrote to my address at home, but he didn't know, I have moved away. He wrote to me more than four years. After that we lost contact with each other. As we had in Hotel one pilot (he had flight to Sydney, Australia), who was skiing here every winter, I told him for my journalist? Can he find him? He was looking for him, but didn't find (or he didn't look at all).

You can believe or not, those letters were my emotional food. I didn't care not to see him, I was lucky to get the post from him (from Sydney and Wellington). All his letters and postcards, as many other letters from other people and men were destroyed after 1995.

I didn't lose only material things, but also my souvenirs.

It is true; I can have very deep emotions for somebody but don’t show them. My brain always works. My brain is stronger than my heart. There is a very good control, what is not good at all.

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posted August 19, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
--Solar arc SEDNA progression on that time. In the time when I lose everything I had SA sedna conj my N moon and Draconic merk/uran SA sedna also square my N merk/uran.--

I will do that. Thank you.

I do something on computer and btw look if you wrote to me (in the last time I don't write, that I should get answer on my email). When I have time then can look the post without messages.

Have a nice day (or night?),
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posted August 19, 2010 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I want to check out your chart on astro.com. I want to see your progression in a chart it's more easy to see it on there. If you want to show the chart or your birthtime here it will be interesting to see.

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posted August 19, 2010 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
Bobbie. I know you not here now but when you see it. You say you checked your neurologia out but have you been in contact to any neurolog. Trigeminal neuralgi and postherpetic neuralgia can often with medicine easy the pain up and sometimes even surgury can help. Are you sure you not get an infection. I know people who get antibiotics and after time be restored.

Why do you not try acupuncture?

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posted August 20, 2010 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message

Hi popcorn,

In the Chart (with Progressions) are: Sedna, Pholus, Lillith, Hygea and Fortuna.
I have read that Lillith in Scorpio, in 2nd house is not good for the money and for the love.
One Astrologer, who does research of Lillith told me, that my Lillith is good. It is not good if has opposition to Venus.

From other side I had more direct reading with the Cards, from different people: some of them told me, I can come to the money only over one man (Venus 60 Mars). Lillith also has 120 with my Mars.

I wrote in one Forum that I will write a book about my life, together with the Charts. I can collect it here, there and more and write the book. That is only my idea. Maybe it will be true!
For now I have new Hobby: to do photos from the nature!

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posted August 20, 2010 06:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
About my atypical trigeminal neuralgia I have got explanation from Russian Neurologist, 1998: he told me that neck muscle makes compression on one nerve; this nerve is going into sinusitis and from sinusitis I have trigeminal neuralgia. He wanted to help me with bio-energy but I had it before and didn't help. Today I am sorry, I didn't accept it, because it helps (it depends who gives that therapy). He was the best doctor (diagnostic) I have ever seen, here. He went back to Moscow, 1999.

Now, neck muscle is again from somewhere else. In November, last year I had massage from all muscles along the spine. Somewhere in the middle beside the spine there was very painful point. I have asked therapist, what there is. He told me, it Large Intestine Acupuncture Point and asked me: do I have SINUSITIS? I said, yes! That is right. Bacteria have come from there. Instead to heal all over (my head and neck) I need therapy for my large intestine, or better for my immune system. I was glad to visit this massage therapist. He works with other Russian Neurologist, very kind man. I owe him his Natal Chart.
So far I came with my 21 years research!

Acupuncture helps me only, when doctor gives it over the head (through the hair) to make better head circulation. Close here nobody does it. There is only in Pain Centre, where I am split with female doctor.

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In 2001 when you lose your house in april 2001 SA sedna conj your uranus. Progressed uranus conj your orcus and a few year later also SA Sedna conj your PR uranus and N orcus. That's my view this describe strong change in a period of maybe 3 year. I'm not so good on what orcus mean but Glaucus can desbribe it so good.
SA varuna also in that time conj orcus. Varuna are for me more kindly in work.

Your new life also shows in the SA in 2001 and the progressen because sun in 29 degree gemini. You just leave the old and the dawn of a new era will be come into your life.

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posted August 20, 2010 07:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
I think its important to visit the right doctor. If I was you I never give up before I meet a good neurolog. Not all doctors are good on that you got.

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posted August 20, 2010 08:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bonadea33     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you about Sedna.

2001 was very critical year, not only for me. I have read about many people: either they died; were arrested or something bad came into their life.

From then on, only 2002 was good, when I came in contact with my ex friend. I was in Austria and went by Post Office. I thought: why not look if he is still in Vienna? I did look, found address and phone number, wrote to him to ask for his hour of birth and to tell him, he was my husband in Past life. My letter has travelled three weeks, from the reason I wrote his address half wrong and second, I didn't write my address. My address was inside. As I have moved here in May 2001, I wrote address from there. Manager of Post Office there knew where I am and she has sent his letter to me, here. Otherwise he had intention to come and visit me, right away. I wasn't ready for that. I wrote him that back.
After that we were talking hours and hours until February 2003, when he went to abroad (as a free lance, chemist) to work.

About Neurologist: I have nobody more. This country has only two millions inhabitants.
I had a wish to go to some Medical Research Centre in Europe, but that doesn’t pay my health insurance

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posted August 20, 2010 08:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for popcorn     Edit/Delete Message
What happened in your life when your progressed venus was in conj to your N pluto?

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I see now, that P Venus was in conjunction with N Pluto: November 10th, 2005.
You can believe or not: December 1st, 2005 my money pocket with all papers, credit cards and my passport were stolen.

I came from abroad early in the morning by train. It was pretty cold and I was very tired and got asleep for about half an hour. When I woke up, my open handbag was half empty.
The day before happened something else (not good), but about that can't write here.

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