posted August 21, 2010 01:15 PM         

BTW, your classification is spot on!

posted August 21, 2010 03:49 PM         

I know I sound like a total killjoy, but I just want to maintain the original peaceful tone and also want to focus on the astrology.

posted August 21, 2010 03:53 PM         

I agree with you.

It seems like a religious,philosophical debate that's quite eristic.

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posted August 21, 2010 03:57 PM         

did you just create a new word "eris-tic"?
I like it. Sais it all.

That is interesting about these psychics telling you about your past lives as druids. Do you remember or recall them? Does that resonate with you?
I mean your keen interest definitely could hint into that direction.

posted August 21, 2010 04:01 PM         

Yeah..the Druid stuff resonate with me
haven't remembered any pastlives though. no dreams about them either

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posted August 21, 2010 04:06 PM         

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Eristic dialogue is arguing for the sake of conflict as opposed to the seeking of truth.

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posted August 21, 2010 04:57 PM         

I didn`t know this was an existing word. So I learned something new today.

Lexx,

you don`t have to leave.
Why not discuss the astrology and past lives here?
Unless you don`t want to of course.

posted August 21, 2010 05:10 PM         

quote:

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Eristic dialogue is arguing for the sake of conflict as opposed to the seeking of truth.

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posted August 21, 2010 05:17 PM         

The following is from Zane Stein's site:

ERIS & THE DIALECTIC
Recently, I had occasion to read something that showed me a very positive side to Eris. Astrologer John Halloran posted the following (reprinted with his permission) on alt.astrology.moderated:

Eris - Discord and the Dialectic Process
It appears that the philosopher Hegel saw the evolutionary stage that is beyond Pluto.

Hegel saw the dialectic between thesis and antithesis as a constructive process that leads to a higher synthesis.

There is a discussion of Hegel's ideas excerpted at:

www2.pfeiffer.edu/~lridener/courses/HEGEL.HTML

Quotes from this page:

"Dialectic is defined by Hegel as the power (or energy or force) of negativity."

"Dialectic is thus the transition of things, and of knowledge, from potentiality or abstraction to actuality and content, but in such a way that the arising of a fuller determination points beyond itself to a further determination. Every determination is both a result and a new beginning, concrete and abstract, for it occurs within a process of the becoming of a thing (or of knowledge), and hence is concrete relative to the origin of the process but abstract relative to the telos of the whole process. A thing becomes more and more fully developed through this successive dialectic of self-reconstruction."

So discord is part of a constant on-going dialectic process of maturation, of leaving behind one-sided viewpoints and partial truths. It shakes up the status quo and says that a more complete perspective is necessary.

Regards,

John Halloran
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Windows Astrology Software - www.halloran.com/

The dialectic is a branch of logic in the art of reasoning and\or disputing. Through the use of it Socrates would lead his adversary to make clear his position on the subject, then, often with the introduction of an absolutely contrary theory, the discussion would end with an admission, on the other side, of an inaccuracy. It was employed to set one theory in opposition with another, and thus to develop a subject in a comprehensive manner. First an idea (a Thesis) was thrown up against another theory (an Antithesis); from this, it was thought, one would advance to a third stage, and the truth would emerge. Often, - though not necessarily - there would come about a combination of both the ideas (a synthesis). From this process, it is thought, one would arrive at the truth of a proposition; this is not to be confused with a negotiation process whereby, usually, a compromise is wrought out.

Henry Alphern wrote (in An Outline History of Philosophy):

"We must analyze everything into what it now is, then analysis will show that it contains its opposite, which in turn will have to be harmonized into something that includes them both. But the resultant synthesis will itself be subject again to a negative element, this then, will be resolved into a still more comprehensive synthesis, which will be subjected once more to the principle of contradiction. The final solution, the ultimate harmony, the last synthesis, the step when it will no longer be necessary to go higher, will constitute the Absolute. The Universe as a whole harmonizes all contradictions, it is the perfect whole, it is the synthesis which we are seeking as our final solution. It, therefore, constitutes the true, the rational, the goal of the dialectic method. The conclusion is that only the whole of reality is rational, because that furnishes a complete view of all things; it is the Absolute, the World, Reason, God."

Hesiod wrote that there were two different Eris goddesses. One of them, the daugher of Nyx (Night) stirred up healthy competiton. Think about the last good, stirring debate you watched. A discussion involving opposing viewpoints, first one side, then the other, at times perhaps getting quite heated. Didn't you come away mentally stimulated, perhaps with your own thoughts galvanized?

Competition comes from the Latin word competere, which means: to strive together, to coincide. The very basis of healthy competition is not to create enmity, but to strive together to come up with something better than existed previously. In a healthy competition, everyone benefits, no matter whoo wins.

President William McKinley was an indefatigable campaigner. He helped rebuild the Republican Party in 1896 by rejecting divisive ethnic issues and promoting pluralism--whereby every group in the nation would prosper and none would be singled out for attack. He once wrote:

"Without competition we would be clinging to the clumsy antiquated processes of farming and manufacture and the methods of business of long ago, and the twentieth would be no further advanced than the eighteenth century."

He was born on January 29, 1843, with Mercury approximately 27 Aquarius 18, closely conjunct Eris at 27 Aquarius 53.

Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey had a mind that quickly grasped complicated issues. He was instrumental in merging two opposing political parties (the Democratic and the Farmer-Labor party), and with their combined backing he was elected Mayor of Minneapolis. He gained a national reputation by his strong stand for civil rights. In fact, in one of the most renowned speeches in American political history, Humphrey told the 1948 Democratic National Convention: "To those who say, my friends, to those who say, that we are rushing this issue of civil rights, I say to them we are 172 years too late! To those who say, this civil rights program is an infringement on states' rights, I say this: the time has arrived in America for the Democratic Party to get out of the shadow of states' rights and walk forthrightly into the bright sunshine of human rights!" Humphrey and his allies succeeded; the pro-civil-rights plank was narrowly adopted. But not without causing strife! As a result of the Convention's vote, the Mississippi and one half of the Alabama delegation walked out of the hall. Many Southern Democrats were so enraged that they formed the "Dixiecrat" party and nominated their own presidential candidate.

He once wrote:

"Freedom is hammered out on the anvil of discussion, dissent, and debate."

Humphrey was born May 27, 1911. This gave him a Mars (25 Pisces 19) conjunct Eris (26 Pisces 39), both square Pluto (26 Gemini 53.)
http://www.zanestein.com/Trans-pluto.htm#UB313

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posted August 21, 2010 05:26 PM         

I agree with that there is a lot of alien conspiracy stuff that gets mentioned

like anything else, the alien conspiracy stuff can be disagreed with and questioned

I find it interesting that there is strong disagreement when it comes to the Reptilian and related stuff. Is one person wrong and the other is right? or both right? or both wrong?

my concern was that it would be too controversial for people who want peace in this thread like DD wants

I'd love to see more debate about the Reptilian,etc in another thread

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posted August 21, 2010 05:37 PM         

I checked when the thread was made

Moon in 20'50 Sagittarius
Ceres in 20'58 Sagittarius
trine Eris in 20'22 Aries R

Venus in 11'44 Libra
Mars in 12'21 Libra
oppose Jupiter/Eris midpoint in 12'13 Aries

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posted August 22, 2010 02:50 AM         

Are you the only person with magical privy to the truth?

Conspiracy Theory is always controversial, that is the whole point of it. Your theories about Insectoid Pleiadians being an evil Hive Mind [Star Ship Troopers 3?] and all Illuminati Families/Reptilians being the good guys was different and interesting, I did analyze it.

But I have Flesh and Blood Pleiadian Star Seed friends, with Pleiadian Birthmarks, with accurate past life recalls about Reptilian-Draco destruction of Lyra.
Are they all implanted memories by Insects?

Their natal charts match Pleiadian Connections. These self-less souls are working for groups like Mercy Corps, are non-materialistic and practice Yoga, they are psychic and want to be healers. They do not get media coverage.
They do not follow Barbara Marciniak or other "Official" Pleidian Channelers.

I absolutely do not think that they and David Icke and Stewart Swerdlow and Cliff Dess [direct victims of Greys and Draco technology] are wrong about the Draco.
The Illuminati have failed 2/2 times in starting the Large Hadron Collider, and paniced when they saw Comet 17P Holmes. Global Geo-politics has changed so much since then. All points to a shift against the ruling elite. And it does not look like coming from an evil Hive of Insects, it looks quite sophisticated to me.

But hey, that is my point of view. I am not some Billy Graham preacher type, I just state my opinion strongly and keep researching, those who are similar researchers will take it from there, others have their own research to worry about than bother about my alien conspiracy theories. We all live and let live.

Rudeness is uncalled for and very unprofessional, especially since we had common grounds about Gnostic Theories of Samael being a false god, and of the Manipulation/Mind Control of Eden, about the dangers of passing into the White Light, dangers of false channelers etc.

If you can discuss without personal labeling and rudeness, we can discuss these topics on Divine Diversities.

Sorry for the diversion on this thread.

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posted August 22, 2010 03:03 AM         

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Dear Lexx,
How come you use rude words like "babble" when any philosophy is opposed to yours?

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quote:

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Are you the only person with magical privy to the truth?

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posted August 22, 2010 04:43 AM         

Merlin conjunct MC
Excalibur conjunct IC & Spirit
Galahad conjunct NN
Hekate conjunct Pluto opposite Ceres
Vesta conjunct Atlantis and opposite Moon

I'll have to check the rest.

EDIT: Looking at the chart. Using only conjunctions and oppositions.

Ireland conjunct Eros & MC
Arthur conjunct Juno & Amor
Camelot opposite Neptune
Stonehenge conjunct Pluto & Hekate opposite Ceres
Giza conjunct Iris

posted August 22, 2010 06:17 AM         

Hi, PA

You know I your celtic asteroids.
Actually I was thinking of you while doing my list. I remembered you had some shining knight on your NN, which falls on my Jupiter, right?

My Eros is also connected to one of the celtic asteroids, opposing my exact Arthur-Gawain-conjunction.
Probably it means that the mature idealistic serious type is a turn on for me (Arthur/GAwain is also on my Sun-Moon-mp in Capricorn - hmm give me a Saturnian and I might melt despite better knowledge).

Lancelot is in Scorpio conjunct Anteros though - so not really a boring combination either.
Decisions, decision.

But then Tristan is ALSO in Capricorn conjunct Vesta, Stonehenge, Knight exactly and also conjunct Venus.

Your Hekate / Pluto / Stonehenge is resonating intensely with me.
I have forgotten where your Pluto is, is it end of Virgo?
Then it might oppose my ARtemis on 27 Pisces, which of course sits exact on my Draco ASC.

posted August 22, 2010 11:06 AM         

I have these HOT SPOTS:

MERLIN conjunct Sun and Mercury with Merlin being on 24 Sag.

"A Chubby Boy On A Hobby-Horse"
Not sure what to make of this Sabian.

ARTHUR conjunct GAWAIN on 21 Cap
conjunct ANTIVERTEX and Sun/Moon-mp all on 21 Cap
opposite EROS on 21 Cancer

Sabian:
"By Accepting Defeat Gracefully, A General Reveals Nobility Of Character"

Gawain is often portrayed as formidable, but brash, fiercely loyal to his uncle King Arthur, and also a defender of women.
He apparently is also known as "The maiden`s knight".
Gawain`s love aparently is either princess or Queen of the Other-world.
I find it interesting as this character seems to link the mystic / spiritual influences of celtic mythology with the chivalrous theme of the Arthurian legend.
The fact that it is on my Sun-Moon-mp and opposing Eros, could indicate that I am attracted to both quality, that I have to have the best of both worlds, to be drawn in emotionally as well as romantically.

Relating this back to past lives, it could mean that a character like this "modeled" my perception of love.
I find the Sun/Moon-mp here particularly interesting as it indicates a form of completeness,the "inner soulmate" so to speak.

DRACO ARTHUR and GAWAIN and Sun-Moon-mp fall onto 11 Taurus which has the Sabian.
A Young Couple Window Shopping

This seem to relate to relationships, I think.
Of course it means that if we did the Draco with the SOUTH Node, the conjunction would take place on 11 Scorpio:
"An Official Embassy Ball"

posted August 22, 2010 11:19 AM         

Eric and Enide

Eric is second to Gawain, so a very important figure, too. He is said to be an even better knight than Lancelot!

Anyway, he is so much in love with his wife Enid, that he wants to spend all his time with her, much of it in bed , so that he stops caring for arms and going to tournaments.
So he loses the right being one of the round table,a s he doesn`t fulfil his knightly duties.
It is Enid who reminds them of them, and they are both going onto an adventure to win back his honour (it is very unusual that he takes her with him, but he just can`t leave her behind).
In the end he reconciles with Arthur and the other knights, and he is becoming king of the county Enid`s father was reigning.

I found this story so interesting, as it depicts a happy love story, full of love and passion and caring for each other, AND also describes how a balance between romance and reality has to be established.

In my chart:
Eric is on:
12°31 Scorpio

and Enid is on:
25°48 Capricorn

posted August 22, 2010 11:34 AM         

TRISTAN conjunct VENUS
TRISTAN conjunct VESTA
TRISTAN conjunct KNIGHT
TRISTAN conjunct STONEHENGE
KNIGHT conjunct VESTA
KNIGHT conjunct STONEHENGE
VESTA conjunct STONEHENGE

KNIGHT; VESTA and STONEHENGE are all on 1 Cap
Three Rose Windows In A Gothic Church, One Damaged By War

TRISTAN is on 3 Cap
A Group Of People Outfitting A Large Canoe At The Start Of A Journey By Water

VENUS is on 6 Cap
A Veiled Prophet Speaks, Seized By The Power Of A God

VEnus and Tristan are opposing EXCALIBUR on 5 Cap (which is retrograde)
Game Birds Feathering Their Nests

This seems to spell a story of a war, that damaged the spiritual ground. The spiritual / cultish character is also established by the Existence of Vesta and also Stonehenge here, though Stonehenge may point into the direction of WHERE it took place, or where the escape went to?
The Sabian of Venus is also a Spiritual one.
Tristan seems to indicate the situaion of escape.
And with Excalibur there might be the emotional need for a place to settle down, and to fight for this right, so Excalibur being retrograde - maybe it didn`t work out that well.

Draco EXCALIBUR is on 25 Libra:
An Eagle And A Large White Dove Change Into Each Other

Is that the constant changing and seeking a balance between peace and something else (not sure what the eagle stands for, though I remember it from Atlantis; one of the four human races was symolized by an Eagle /Phoenix , which is t he sign of Scorpio actually)?

The Draco Vesta, Knight and Stonehenge is on 21 Aries:
The Gate To The Garden Of All Fulfilled Desires

Which brings me back to the dream of that Sacred Marriage ritual...

posted August 22, 2010 11:41 AM         

In all the many books that I read on the Arthurian Legends including Morte D'Arthur,
Lancelot was known as the best knight of the world until Galahad came to court at Pentecost, sat in the Siege Perilous,and drew the sword out of the stone that originally belonged to Balin who died in a fight with his brother,Balan. It was said that Galahad unhorsed Lancelot and Percival while bearing the white shield with the red cross.

Besides Galahad, the only knight that came close to matching Lancelot of the Lake was Tristram de Lyonesse. Lamorak de Galis (Percival's half-brother by King Pellinore) was 3rd behind Tristram.

well.....the Arthurian Legends change over time just like myths. In some stories, Lancelot was already a knight when Arthur married Guinevere. In other stories,Lancelot became a knight after Arthur married Guinevere. In some stories, Lancelot grew up with the Lady of the Lake. In some stories, he grew up with mother and father. In some stories,Lancelot was very handsome. In some stories, Lancelot was very ugly like in the book, The Once and Future King. In some stories,Tristram died by getting stabbed in the back by King Mark. In others, he was mortally wounded and depended on Isolde to save her, but his wife,another Isolde lied about the color of the sails being black instead of white,and so Tristram died as the result of that.

Percival was originally the Hero of the Grail Quest before Galahad was.

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posted August 22, 2010 11:52 AM         

Coupled with that is,

ISOLDA on 3 Aries conjunct AURA and IC on 4 Aries.

I see it as connected as Isolda trines IReland (and she was an Irish princess).

ISOLDA also squares Tristan precisely (orb: 0.1).

Sabian of Ireland / Mars
A Game Of Cricket

A typically English game, isn`t it?
With all these rules.

Sabian of my ASC, Angel, Lust
Within The Depths Of The Earth New Elements Are Being Formed

Sabian of Atlantis:
A Mother Leads Her Small Child Step By Step Up A Steep Stairway

I guess this implies the need to learn a lot.

Isolda on 3 Aries
Two Lovers Strolling On A Secluded Walk

brings me back to the love theme of Tristan and Isolda,
Interesting Tristan`s sabian indicates a journey by ship, and that is where Tristan and Isolda fell in love.

The square also indicates probably a not so happy outcome.

Aura and IC are on 4 Aries:
A Triangle With Wings

Draco Isolda and tropical Destinn on 23 Cancer:
A Woman And Two Men Castaways On A Small Island Of The South Seas

LOL What fitting Sabians, indicating a love triangle, with one of the most famous love triangles of literature!
Seems to be my fate!
And always connected to water, here in the form of the South SEAS.

Additionally GUINEVERE is exact conjunct SPIRIT on 10 Cap:
A Large Group Of Pheasant On A Private Estate

Makes me think of some kind of wealth, and seems to fit to the "feathering their nests" Sabian, the need for settling down.
Even compromising love in the need to do this?

Another conjunction is:

LANCELOT on 16 Scorpio conjunct WALPURGA on 18 SCorpio, opposing my name on 16.58 Taurus
And additionally my Shadow ASC is around 18-19 Scorpio, too, as is Anteros.

Lancelot Sabian:
A Woman, Fecundated By Her Own Spirit, Is "Great With Child"

WALPURGA and Shadow ASC, Angel, Lust
A Parrot Repeats The Conversation He Has Overheard

my name:
A Symbolical Battle Between "Swords" And "Torches"

Anteros and Shadow Atlantis:
A Woman Draws Away Two Dark Curtains Closing The Entrance To A Sacred Pathway

Not sure how to put it all together though.