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Topic: 5 Hardest Aspects and Why?
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mcmlxix
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posted August 27, 2010 03:25 PM
  
I would say that my five hardest are:Mars square Pluto...source of way too much intensity that can drive people away.
Edit: this is in mutable signs, which may either make it easier to overcome or make it even more volatile. Venus square Saturn...giving/receiving love/affection doesn't come easily...to say the least.
Edit: this is in fixed signs, which might make it more difficult to overcome. Mercury, Jupiter, and Uranus all conjunct one another...generally I see this as a positive...but makes communication frustrating...my words and thoughts come way too fast, and are too expansive and unpredictable. I'm usually several topics ahead and off on some fantastic tangent, and pushing the envelope and shocking.
Edit: this is in a cardinal sign, which may make it more driven/unrelenting. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted August 27, 2010 04:29 PM
Haumea square Midheaven/Imum Coeli - '03
Haumea is a transneptunian dwarf planet like Pluto, and so it involves evolution intensification,transformation,regeneration. It's a recently discovered object in the 21st Century,and so there is very little understanding of it by astrologers who tend not look past Pluto even though solar system goes well beyond it. This fits even more with the nonconformity,mystery of Haumea. There can be too much sensitivity with an object that orbits well beyond Neptune in hard aspect to the angles. There can be a lot of misunderstanding. Haumea is named after Hawaiian fertility creation Goddess. It may involved with minorities. Not long after Haumea was named, Hawaii-native Barack Obama was elected president of USA. I think Haumea could be involved with ethnic minorities. I am an ethnic minority in USA. Being multiracial hasn't been easy for me. It could also reflect my roots and domestic environment.
Moon square Neptune - 1'23 - It can be too idealistic,imaginative,confusing,and misunderstanding. It reflects misdiagnoses which I have definitely have history of.
It reflects my experiences with my mother in regards to her having drug,alcohol issues,mental health problems.
Moon square Saturn - 1'58 (0'48 in Right Ascension) - It can be too serious.......there is pessimism as well as depression connected to insecurity. It also reflects my experiences with my mother as strict,stern,limiting,and restrictive as well as her being pessimistic,depressed,and insecure
Moon square Varuna - '10 - Varuna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's like Pluto, and so it involves evolution intensification,transformation,regeneration. It's a recently discovered object in the 21st Century,and so there is very little understanding of it by astrologers who tend not look past Pluto even though solar system goes well beyond it. This fits even more with the nonconformity,mystery of Varuna. There can be too much sensitivity with an object that orbits well beyond Neptune in hard aspect to the Moon. Varuna was named after the Indian God of the Oceans. He was said to be the judge of drowned souls. He was depicted as carrying a noose. Varuna seems to be associated with judgment and justice. I am strong believer in justice and believe that violent criminals should be punished more harshly. This stems from my mom being shot when I was with her at 3 years old. A transneptunian in hard aspect to the Moon could indicate an emotional trauma or traumatic experience involving my mother. It also fits with my being abused my mother too. I experienced my mother as an extremely judgmental type combined with extreme intensity, and that fits with my Moon square Varuna.
note: I have a t-square of Moon square the opposition of Saturn and Neptune-Varuna
Sun oppose Sedna - '44 in Right Ascension -
Sedna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate. It's like Pluto, and so it involves evolution intensification,transformation,regeneration. It's a recently discovered object in the 21st Century,and so there is very little understanding of it by astrologers who tend not look past Pluto even though solar system goes well beyond it. This fits even more with the nonconformity,mystery of Sedna. There can be too much sensitivity with an object that orbits well beyond Neptune in hard aspect to the Sun. There can be a lot of misunderstanding. Sedna is very otherworldly object. It makes Neptune look mundane. Sedna has the greatest average distance of all. It's named after the Inuit Sea Goddess. There are themes of victimization,betrayal,and abuse as well as father issues. There is also concern for environment. I never knew my biological father whose nature was very similar to mine and he had drug problems,mental health problems. My Sun oppose Sedna fits with the "far out" and "beyond" nature of my biological father. I had abuse from my stepfather and my mother.
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mcmlxix
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posted August 27, 2010 04:47 PM
Glaucus...since you seem educated in TNOs, what if any study have you given to extra or trans solar system objects. My question more specifically revolves around comets and other galaxies...their archetypal meaning or physical/metaphysical affect on Earth.IP: Logged |
mcmlxix
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posted August 27, 2010 05:12 PM
Glaucus...here's an example:The nearest known black hole to Earth is in the constellation Sagittarius along with a normal star dubbed V4641 Sgr. I'm not sure of the degree, but it could potentially conjunct my Mars, trine my Venus, or square my AS, Sun, or Pluto. NB...what's amazing and humbling about V4641 is that combined with the drama it exhibited in 2003, and that it's 1600 LY from Earth, means that the dramatic event occurred around the year 400. This raises another question about extremely far objects. In this example, which would be more auspicious...when the event happened or when it was observed? Edit: given the Nativity narrative and the concurrent supernova, I'd assume when it's observed. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted August 27, 2010 05:13 PM
Good question,and I can't answer because I have studied very little on objects outside our solar system except for stars. Thanks to Philip Sedgwick, I have some interest in deep space objects like black holes, quasars, pulsars,x-rays and galactic anomalies like gamma ray repeaters,Great Attractor,Galactic Center, and Super Galactic Center.
I have his Galactic Trilogy CD where he includes information on transneptunians,centaurs,stars,comets,and deep space objects as well as heliocentric Astrology.
Clearly my interest lies more in the big transneptunian objects.
Man...I was crazy about asteroids 10 years ago, others gave me a hard time in the Astrology because of my use of them. That was in the Astrology channel on Undernet. I always thought Ceres was way underrated. At least, astronomers promoted it to dwarf planet and made it equal to Pluto which has been demoted to dwarf planet. The discovery of Eris led to that.
Alison Chester-Lambert recently gave me a copy of her new book, THE FUTURE IN THE STARS. She wrote about Ceres, Pluto-Charon, Makemake, Haumea, and Sedna. That was because she thought it was very nice of me to mention good things about her in regards to her articles on her site. She and I share the views that a 21st Century Astrology system is need to describe what's going on in the 21st Century, and that's where the dwarf planets come in. Her book immediately has become my favorite astrology book. She even wrote that agricultural revolution occurred about the time of the discovery of Ceres in the turn of the 19th Century. ------------------
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vertiver
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posted August 27, 2010 05:20 PM
As far as natal aspects - Sun square Pluto and Venus square Saturn. Power struggles abound, with the sense of inadequecy. and this conflicts with my bubbly Sag. Asc. and Moon square Jupiter. I'm going through a tough time at the moment and it all hit me quite abruptly, I realized T. Saturn is exactly square natal Chiron in the 7th house, no wonder I feel terribly rejected.  IP: Logged |
mcmlxix
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posted August 27, 2010 05:20 PM
Glaucus...not to nit pick, but having my education in anthropology/archeology, I'd say that the Agricultural Revolution occurred during the Neolithic. Do you mean the mechanization of agriculture?IP: Logged |
mcmlxix
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posted August 27, 2010 05:28 PM
vertiver...yes, I've been known to be involved in some power struggles. Sometimes I wonder if I seek them out or manufacture them.About Venus sq Saturn specifically, my father was mostly absent during my upbringing. When he decided to involve himself in my life in my 20s, I went along for a while, but at this point I feel little more than coldness for him, and we are again estranged. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted August 27, 2010 05:56 PM
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naturalbeige
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posted August 27, 2010 06:54 PM
Sun square Neptune- I have moments of self-doubt and inferiority, although there are times that I feel confident. I want to be myself, but I don't want to alienate myself from people with different beliefs. Sometimes, I feel as if I'm not mainstream and that I may need to leave for a place that fits my values.Sun square Uranus- From the previous aspect, it's obvious that I am rebellious. And this second aspect confirms it. I do act impulsively sometimes, especially when I'm too emotional. Moon square Uranus- Rebelliousness again. Moon square Neptune- I'm incredibly sensitive and I feel that it's one of the reasons why I got bullied so much. While I am rebellious, I do have empathy for others. Plus, this aspect explains why I'm prone to depression. Mercury square Neptune- PDD-NOS, or some other neurological conditions. I have trouble sitting still in lectures and now decided to take time off of school. College is not working for me. I also jump up and down when I listen to my favorite rock music and go into a trance. I'm really a restless person. However, the most positive thing about this is that I always move around. I always get my exercise in. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted August 27, 2010 07:00 PM
Mercury Opposite Neptune- Because its hard for me to stay focused at times. Oddly enough, its also one of my favorite aspects too. I got to swim away when I can.
Mars Square Uranus/Saturn- Hot and Short Tempered (mars is in Aries), Perversely rebellious when limited or restricted, selfishly wanting things to go my way, pretty depressive/angry when things don't go my way or doors are slammed shut.
Chiron in the 6th/Moon in Virgo- Perfection is the name of the game when it comes to my appearance. Too bad I never achieve it.
Moon conjunct Lilith- Scares alot of people, though sometimes that's a good thing.
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Ami Ann
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posted August 27, 2010 07:03 PM
Great answers. Can't wait to pick brains
The problem is that some brains I pick don't come back to the thread 
Ami
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Glaucus
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posted August 27, 2010 07:11 PM
"Glaucus...not to nit pic, but having my education in anthropology/archeology, I'd say that the Agricultural Revolution occurred during the Neolithic. Do you mean the mechanization of agriculture?"I should have been more detailed. That's one of the reasons that I often elaborate on things and go in detail. I want to avoid misunderstandings.
any ways....
What I actually meant was
Alison pointed out that Ceres was originally discovered at the beginning of an agricultural revolution caused by new ploughing methods devised in the early 1800's and that it has strong associations with grain in particular.
She wrote that sudden and surprising announcement of her elevated status to dwarf planet in 2006 could only mean that her energy was going to be keenly felt and much needed after that. She pointed out that in 2007, United Nations scientists announced that in order to feed the world's population, we would need to grow as much food in the next 50 years as we did in the last 10,000 years. ------------------
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teasel
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posted August 27, 2010 07:46 PM
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mcmlxix
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posted August 28, 2010 09:22 PM
I just discovered that The Great Attractor is squared to my Sun within 1 degree.I'm sure researching this will prove interesting. IP: Logged |
DepTaurus
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posted May 31, 2011 12:52 PM
sun square moon - i feel completly torn from who i am on the inside and who i want to be on the outside.venus square neptune- i make things feel like they have to be perfect whch is why i scare away from relationships. saturn trine sun-i hate being organized i turn into such an anal obsessed cleaner upper type. mars sextile neptune- i daydream alot which makes it hard for me to except reailty. uranus conjunct neptune- i hate being werid but i love it. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted May 31, 2011 01:04 PM
Moon opposition Merc - ridiculously hard to figure out how to say what I want.
Moon opposition Venus - hard in relationships to find a balance between intimacy and keeping myself me.
Neptune Qx Venus - I give and do a lot and then feel resentful later
Mars opposition Saturn - blah temper.
Pluto conjunct my DC - it's a pain. I'd like to have a normal relationship once in a while. lolIP: Logged |
staborgi
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posted May 31, 2011 01:23 PM
ooooh good topic. Kind of aptly timed for me to be thinking about this because I've been going through a difficult time and thinking a lot about my chart because a lot of stuff in my natal is becoming clear as day! for me- 1) Pluto in 7th- extremes in relationships, they tend to drag me to my very depths and bring me to a place of psychological TORTURE. Even if I come out wiser in the end it's still an extreme/torturous process.
2) Moon in Cap/10th- compounds the above with a lot of emotional awkwardness, discomfort with emotions, refusing to be emotional with others, isolating myself and feeling tired. Usually I can be pretty cool and that's my comfort level but when I get emotional I'm a trainwreck because I end up feeling SO guilty and beating myself up about it.
3) ASC square Neptune- I don't come off how I really am and then wonder how people could have an inaccurate perception of me or why I'm not getting what I want out of relationships...because I never presented what I wanted! I also tend to feel victimized in relationships for the same reason.
4) Sun in 8th- sometimes I like this because I feel like I can see through bs but sometimes I feel too aware of bs , wish I could just have lighthearted, superficial fun without everything being so HEAVY and significant.
5) Cheating because this is technically a few aspects but I find it hard to see them as isolated from one another so I consider them one "entity"- It's my Venus conjunct Uranus/Saturn opposite Chiron.
Venus conjunct Saturn has always made me feel pretty awkward about expressing love and femininity. Always felt pretty lonely and melancholy about relationships and the prospects of being loved. I think the opposition to Chiron made me go to great lengths after being so insecure about it when I was younger to make sure I could consider myself good looking and feminine when I got older. Funny thing was that now even though I've met my own standard I still feel the same. Venus/Uranus compounds a lot of it I think by making me so flighty about relationships that I can't actually seem to accept anyone into my life OR I end up attracted to types that just want to be free. Kind of a vicious circle...I guess that's the nature of oppositions...the extreme of the Venus/Uranus/Saturn conjunction and the constant back and forth striving for balance to the wound of Chiron. IP: Logged |
MertSerimer
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posted May 31, 2011 01:27 PM
Hmm
A moon venus square in mutable signs is quite hard.
A jupiter/Neptune quincunx... You never solve it!! never!!Sun badly aspecting outer planets can be pain in the ass i dont know.
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Dawnlies
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posted May 31, 2011 01:42 PM
Well, let's see :5. Uranus conjunct ASC from 12th : I'm always the outsider, the strange one. Always rejected because of that. I never feel I'm at the right place. 4. Mars conjunct Neptune : I can't express my anger, I just start to cry... 3. Venus conjunct Saturn : I can't express my feelings, I tend to repress them. 2. Unaspected Jupiter in 12th : Seems like I never feel hapiness. Never. Even though I'm quite lucky. 1. Sun conjunct Pluto : It's like I'm always under a big shadowy thing, I always see the dark side in everything and everyone but I accept it and live with it and carry it around like a burden. IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted May 31, 2011 03:41 PM
Venus square Saturn
Venus square Uranus
Venus square ASCThe rest of my chart is fine and dandy so I don't even see these as a big problem. My Venus squares add excitement. It's frustrating trying to interpret Saturn conjunct Uranus, though. So you can add that to the list. IP: Logged |
Airi
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posted May 31, 2011 04:22 PM
Saturn Conjunct my ASC - a restriction on myself, i am too hard on myself often and can be too seriousSun in the 7th house, trine to my moon which is conjunct Jupiter - I give my all to much for other people. I need to learn to love myself more. Uranus in the 1st, square my moon with jupiter conjuct, but trine my venus - i am unusual and have a love for things that are unusual and uncanny but i also have an uncomfortable untone of "i am not supposed to like this" or "why can't i like this instead" North node in Aries in the 5th - I have no idea how to utilize this energy or "go for it". Safe to say I am "comfortable" with my south node, especially given my #2 placement. Mars-Merc opposition - i can come off as aggressive when talking, maybe too pushy and have a lot of verbal disagreements with people and want to keep talking, and talking and talking until I win. There is usually emotional "fuel to the fire" so to speak since Mars is sextile to my moon conjunct jupiter, and merc is inconjuct to my moon byt trine my jupiter. IP: Logged |
carl
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posted May 31, 2011 04:43 PM
Are we talking just major planets? Not counting asteroids, here they are..Without a doubt, the two squares I have. Thank goodness there is only two! Moon Square Mars 1°17
Moon Square Ascendant 0°50 I do not have any oppositions, but this can be negative, for different reasons, too:
Mars Conjunction Ascendant 0°26
Sun Conjunction Saturn 4°04 Um, everything else is Trines and sextiles #5: Maybe Neptune/Jupiter in the 12 house
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scrappydog
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posted May 31, 2011 05:12 PM
Good thread Ami!moon square saturn-depressed and insecure
venus square neptune-my crap magnet to the opposite sex, attract liars, criminals, cheats
sun conjunct pluto-too intense, dark and brooding, power struggles,involvement in the underworld, cathartic and painful transformations
sun pluto conj square nessus-abusive relationnships with men IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted May 31, 2011 05:37 PM
1. Too much fire and Leo, with a water venus.. jus sux.. I only like the water guys, but we dont always understand each other..2. Pluto/Uranus in H7
My relationships are intense but end quickly. 3.Saturn in H3/H4
Lots of Commication problems.. Sometimes I just dont speak up.. Ill just get annoyed and feel its not even worth my time. 4. T-Square
Venus/Pluto/Jupiter (h4,h7,h10)
apparently I have lots of lessons to go through with my realtionships. 5.Mercury in Rx.
enough said
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