posted August 27, 2010 04:30 PM         

I know that astrology, especially the natal charts, helps us explain our personality using archetypes from Greek and Roman myths. I want to know, what are other purposes of transneptunian objects and asteroids? Is it enough to say that those two sets of celestial bodies elaborate our psychological makeup to solidify our mythological archetypes set by the 12 planets?

posted August 27, 2010 06:01 PM         

My question specifically revolved around trans-trans-Neptunian objects such as other galaxies...their archetypal meaning or physical/metaphysical affect on Earth.

And as an example brought up that the nearest known black hole to Earth is in the constellation Sagittarius along with a normal star dubbed V4641 Sgr.

This could be important to me, because although I'm not sure of the degree, it could potentially conjunct my Mars, trine my Venus, or square my AS, Sun, or Pluto.

My next observation was what's amazing and humbling about V4641 is that combined with the drama it exhibited in 2003, and that it's 1600 LY from Earth, means that the dramatic event occurred around the year 400.

This raised the question about extremely far objects. In this example, which would be more auspicious...when the event happened or when it was observed?

Finally I concluded that given the Nativity narrative and the concurrent supernova, I'd assume when it's observed.

posted August 27, 2010 06:21 PM         

According to Philip Sedgwick: Transneptunian dwarf planets are considered evolutionary intensified objects.
Evolutionary Intensified Objects. Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.

This is my take

I believe that the energy of the transneptunian objects involve lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.
They are highly metaphysical energies that involve insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be used not just for your benefit but for the benefit of many others. These energies are about about going well beyond self and tapping into that mass consciousness. There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and affect people on a grand scale.

Saturn is the planet known as the planet of physical boundaries. All the planets beyond Saturn are referred to as outerplanets, and so they are related to metaphysical energies. Uranus is the planet of liberation from boundaries as it breaks way with its need for independence,and it is associated with innovation and intuitive flashes. Neptune is the planet of dissolution of boundaries as it pierces the veil to reveal another world,and it is associated with imagination,inspiration, and psychism. Pluto is the planet of elimination of boundaries, and is compared to being the other side. This could be death,afterlife,or could be the subterranean depths of the human psyche. It is possible that Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects could be similar to Pluto. I believe that Pluto and its fellow transneptunians can be energies so metaphysical that they can be hard to handle and can manifest as problems on the physical plane.

Their very distant location,their tendency to orbit off the ecliptic as well as some of them with highly elliptical orbits make them objects that are divergent from the planets. Therefore, people with strong transneptunian energies can be divergent from the norm. They can be quite the nonconformists. I suspect that these are the same people that can relate to personality types like Indigo,Crystal,Earth Angel,Lightworker too. The same energies could be prominent in people with neurodivergences like Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD, Autistic Spectrum. The energies could be prominent in people that are schizophrenic,bipolar. The symptoms/traits of neurodivergence overlap with those of schizophrenia,bipolar. Because of the narrow-minded views about the metaphysical and sensitivities by scientific,mental health commmunity, metaphysically oriented types could get misdiagnosed as schizophrenics or bipolars. Transneptunian dwarf planet people can find it hard to live in a society with mainstream religion and psychiatry.

I believe that people strong in transneptunian dwarf planet energy are people that are ahead of their time which reflects how transneptunians weren't discovered until 1990's except for Pluto in 1930. I think that Pluto's fellow big transneptunians are very complex objects,and so it make sense that they are not easy to understand exactly how they work. That fits perfectly with them being objects that orbit beyond Neptune and being discovered in the 21st Century. They are so recently discovered,and so they aren't understood well. Of course, they are complex and mysterious objects - far more so than Pluto. It would make sense for people strong in the 21st Century objects to be complex,mysterious,and not easy to understand. The transneptunians as extremely primitive remnants of the solar system could mean that people strong in transneptunian energy are also deeply connected to the past. It said that highly metaphysically oriented people are intuitive,perceptive,and deeply connected to both the past and future that would be in synchronicity with how transneptunian objects are very primitive solar system remnants discovered later than the planets. The transneptunians failed to form as planets. I see that as like how transneptunian people don't fit in easily with other people. Their belief in and practice of metaphysical,occult systems can be seen as too primitive by mainstream people that believe in knowledge of science. The transneptunians are so far away from the Sun, that they are shrouded in darkness. These transneptunians can be viewed as the shadow,and deep unconscious of a person. Many Transneptunian people's beliefs in metaphysical,occult systems can be be viewed as being "dark" by people that hold conservative religious beliefs.

Conjunctions,oppositions,squares to transneptunian dwarf planet objects,nodes can indicate very difficult life that can involve significant trauma but opportunity for significant spiritual growth. They have to avoid boundary issues. There can be a very fine line between the mystic,psychic,shaman and the schizophrenic,psychotic with people who have hard transneptunian dwarf planet aspects. It depends on how the person is. Even the soft aspects can be misused.

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posted August 27, 2010 06:42 PM         

Do you only take into account small orbed, hard aspects between trans-Neptunians and only the personal planets?

Would the house placement of the trans-Neptunians be of the most significance?

Would their distance/size make their impact so subtle so as to be compared to some other latency that needs to be activated by some other means?

It has been suggested to me that I'm Indigo, but there's really no objective way to test that as far as I know. Also I've been diagnosed Bipolar, although it's not severe as far as it goes. What specific aspects have piqued your curiosity regarding TNOs and this?

posted August 27, 2010 07:35 PM         

I use smaller aspects, but I don't just consider hard aspects.

These are the orbs that I use for big transneptunian objects,and this includes Pluto.

Aspects in Ecliptic Longitude, Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude):
3 degrees for conjunction,opposition,trine,square
2 degrees for sextile
1 degree for semisextile,quincunx,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,biquintile,quintile

Aspects in Declination (Equatorial Latitude):
30 minutes of arc for parallel,contraparallel

Strong Transneptunian contacts include the following:

Sun,Moon,Ascendant,Midheaven in aspect to a transneptunian dwarf planet whether the object itself in ecliptic longitude,Right Ascension,Declination

AND

if conjunction,opposition,trine,square is within 1 degree, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

if sextile is within 30 minutes of arc, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

also pay attention if they are involved in aspect patterns like grand trine,t-square,grand cross,minor grand trine,yod,etc.

if parallel,contraparallel is within 10 minutes of arc, it's a strong theme that shouldn't be ignored

GEOCENTRIC,HELIOCENTRIC TRANSNEPTUNIAN NODES

people with with personal aspects to the geocentric or heliocentric nodes of transneptunian object will be strongly connected to collective transneptunian energy - so collective evolutionary intensified lessons,experiences.

1 degree orb - only conjunction,opposition,square,trine,sextile

if the sextile is to a geocentric node (the orb is smaller - 30 minutes of arc)
the north and south heliocentric nodes of an object are exactly opposite each other.
This is not the case with geocentric nodes of objects.

if the orbs are within 15 minutes of arc, its a strong theme that can't be ignored

"Would the house placement of the trans-Neptunians be of the most significance?"

Yes. Their sign placements are generational. Their house placements are personal.

"Would their distance/size make their impact so subtle so as to be compared to some other latency that needs to be activated by some other means?"

No.
It's obviously not that way with Pluto.
Astrologers been arguing that size and distance doesn't matter when defending Astrology. They defend the use of Pluto with the same argument. It wouldn't make sense to use the same arguments that astronomers use to discount the influences of transneptunian objects. Pluto is one of them any way. Orcus and Ixion are plutinos, and that means that have 2:3 orbital resonance with Neptune. Their orbits are only a year apart from Pluto.

It really depends on how they are aspected. If they involve personal planets,angles, they could be personalized and felt, especially if they involve close aspects.
Even minor aspects might be felt, especially if they involve close aspects or involve aspect patterns.

"It has been suggested to me that I'm Indigo, but there's really no objective way to test that as far as I know. Also I've been diagnosed Bipolar, although it's not severe as far as it goes. What specific aspects have piqued your curiosity regarding TNOs and this?"

I am neurodivergent with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,ADHD. I fit with the twice exceptional/dual exceptional. I can relate to the Indigo,Crystal stuff. I was more autistic like in early childhood,and so I'd relate more to Crystal around that time. As I got older and had special education therapies, I started being more Indigo-like. I have been told that I am a lightworker,Earth Angel including Incarnated Angel by a Doreen Virtue Angel Consultant. I was misdiagnosed as Bipolar with schizoaffective disorder by psychiatists.
The big TNO's overall got me curious since 2000. I am very strong in their energies whether its ecliptic longitude,right ascension,declination,geocentric nodes,heliocentric nodes.

"Also, forgive my many questions, but is there a good (online) ephemeris for TNOs that you use?"
http://www.true-node.com/eph1/

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posted August 28, 2010 03:14 AM         

Transneptunian Dwarf Planets: Eris, Pluto, Makemake, Haumea
Transneptunian Dwarf Planet Candidates: Sedna, Orcus, Quaoar, Varuna, Ixion
(listed largest to smallest)

The following are my personal planets,angles to transneptunian dwarf planets,dwarf planet candidates
conjunction,opposition,trine,square - 3'00
sextile - 2'00
quincunx,semisextile,semisquare,sesquiquadrate,quintile,biquintile - 1'00
for both ecliptic longitude and Right Ascension (RA) which is equatorial longitude

geocentric nodes:
conjunction,opposition,trine,square,sextile - 1'00

Sun conjunct Ixion - '05 - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Sun conjunct Quaoar - 2'58 (1'46 in RA)
Sun oppose Sedna - 0'44 in RA - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Sun quincunx Varuna - '05 in RA
Sun contraparallel Orcus - '01 in Declinations - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Sun conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node - '09 - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Sun oppose Geocentric North Eris Node - '10 - strong theme that should be ignored

Moon trine Quaoar - '50 - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Moon trine Ixion - 2'15
Moon square Varuna - '10 - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
Moon sextile Sedna - 1'05 (0'39 in RA)
Moon semisquare Eris - '08 in RA

Ascendant
conjunct Haumea - 2'11

Midheaven
square Haumea - '03 - strong theme that shouldn't be ignored
sextile Eris - 1'01
trine Pluto - 2'31 in RA
biquintile Ixion - '10
conjunct Geocentric North Ixion Node - '31

Mercury square Makemake - 2'01
Mercury sextile Geocentric South Pluto Node - '03
Mercury biquintile Eris - '06

Venus trine Orcus - '41
Venus trine Geocentric North Pluto Node - '31
Venus sextile Haumea - '52 in RA
Venus quincunx Eris - '10 in RA

Mars oppose Makemake - 1'00 in RA
Mars trine Quaoar - 2'16 in RA
Mars biquintile Orcus - '10 in RA

I have a very strong transneptunian influence from Pluto's fellow transneptunians.
These could reflect the highly evolutionary intensified person that I am. It could reflect the great depth and ultrasensitivity that I have and the transformations that I go through. It's not just Pluto. It's also Pluto's fellow big transneptunians.

The problem is that a lot of astrologers ignored Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects because they don't fit neatly into their system just like the transSaturnian objects don't fit neatly into Vedic Astrologers' system.

Overlooking Pluto's fellow transneptunian objects, Right Ascension,Declination,and Geocentric Nodes leads to greatly missing out on who and what I am.

Heck...It was only after the discoveries of Pluto's fellow big transneptunians, I started learning about my neurodivergent conditions and realized my life purpose as a neurodiversity advocate.

I owe a lot to the astronomers for finding these objects.
They locate objects through the use of Right Ascension and Declination. Therefore, those are valid coordinates and can be used in Astrology.

I am very strong in the 21st Century objects, and it makes no sense to look at me through a 20th Century lense.

Maybe it's my very strong Eris influence that indicates that I am glad that astronomers demoted Pluto because of Eris. I thought they did the right thing. They did the same with Ceres. Therefore, Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Now they are equals as dwarf planets.

Raymond

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posted August 30, 2010 06:14 PM         

I did a reading for somebody who said that he's an Indigo, and he was diagnosed ADHD.

I figured that he's strong in the 21st Century transneptunian objects

he has the following:

Sun conjunct Makemake with 1'17 orb

Moon oppose Sedna with 1'40 orb

Sun contraparallel Quaoar with 14 minutes of arc

Varuna trine Midheaven with 1'41 orb

Haumea square Ascendant with 2'35 orb

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posted August 31, 2010 11:05 AM         

I am just interested in studying only the transneptunian objects that astronomers have discovered.

Planet X was something that Pluto was thought to be. Then after Pluto was found to be much smaller than our Moon and not as large as our Earth, astronomers realized that it wasn't Planet X. It took the discovery of Charon in 1978 for them to understand that. In the early 1990's, astronomers realized that there were miscalculations in Neptune's mass which accounted for the perturbations in Uranus' orbi. Therefore, there was no need to look for Percival Lowell's Planet X. Of course, astronomers discovered the kuiper belt in the 1990's, and now Pluto is thought to be a kuiper belt object.

Pluto was never a planet. It was just a deceiver and pretender. It was discovered during a Sun-Neptune opposition/contraparallel. The discovery of Eris helped set the record straight on that.

I don't use the hypothetical transneptunians objects used in Uranian Astrology/Hamburg School. They don't even have natural orbits. They are perfectly circular,and that's unlike any planet. Robert Hand pointed that out. Nonetheless, Uranian/Hamburg School astrologers swear that they work just like astrologers that use Transpluto (based on Planet X) swears that it works.

Other astrologers as well as mystics have "found" hypothetical transneptunian objects that haven't been confirmed yet.

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posted August 31, 2010 12:13 PM         

I finally admit that I am a lightworker. I just didn't care for any New Age labels. My mission on Earth as a lightworker is to help change the perceptions of how gifted,ultrasensitive,rightbrained,nonconformist types that don't fit the neurological norms of society (often referred to as dual exceptional/twice expectional) are viewed and to help make the world a better place for them. That includes pushing for education reform and psychiatric reform.

There was a reason that I made Metatron Cube Brain as the logo of Developmental Neurodiversity Association (DNA). Metatron Cube is said to be the archangel that helps the Indigo/Crystal Children. The non profit organization was made for only the developmental,genetic neurodivergents. It wasn't made for people whose neurodivergence connected to brain damage through toxins,vaccines,and other harmful things. I wrote a post about genetic neurodivergence and acquired neurodivergence including that they shouldn't be looped together and treated the same. That's why I purposely have DNA as an acronym. It suggests genetic.

I embrace the neurodivergent label as part of the civil/equal rights movement for different minds that aren't deficient. That's the Neurodiversity Movement. Being a neurodiversity advocate and starting a non profit neurodiversity organization are all part of my path as a lightworker.

I also believe that working with the 21st Century transneptunian objects in Astrology and coming up with a multidimensional 21st Century Astrology system is also part of my path as a lightworker. I truly believe that looking at 21st Century transneptunian oriented me through a 20th Century sense makes no sense and it misses out on a lot. That's how I feel when people view me through that system with my own very strong 21st Century transneptunian object influence. Studying the charts of developmental,genetic neurodivergents is part of my path as a lightworker.

The DNA facebook happens to be much stronger in the 21st Century Transneptunian objects than I thought.

I planned to start the non proft organization on June 3rd of this year. The DNA facebook group was formed on the same date.

I intentionally picked that date
because of Sun conjunct/oppose Geocentric Uranus Nodes and Earth oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Uranus Nodes - A strong Sun-Earth-Uranus Node alignment. I wanted the non profit organization to have a strong connection to collective Uranian energy which would be great for internet,computers, unusual people,change, and reform.

Sun in 13'29 Gemini
conjunct Geocentric North Uranus Node in 14'01 Gemini
oppose Geocentric South Uranus Node in 14'06 Sagittarius
trine Geocentric South Neptune Node in 13'34 Aquarius

Earth in 13'29 Sagittarius
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Uranus Nodes in 14'03 Gemini/Sagittarius

I was aware of the following 21st Century Astrology transneptunian object aspects:

Sedna in 21'59 Taurus
conjunct Mercury in 20'41 Taurus

Haumea in 15'35 Libra R
trine Sun in 13'29 Gemini

Varuna in 20'33 Cancer
conjunct Venus in 18'02 Cancer
sextile Mercury in 21'59 Taurus
sesquiquadrate Moon - '05

Ixion in 16'05 Sagittarius
oppose Sun in 13'29 Gemini

Quaoar in 20'43 Sagittarius
quincunx Mercury in 20'41 Cancer

Orcus in 0'04 Virgo
conjunct Mars in 28'25 Leo
sextile Midheaven in 28'02 Libra

I even chose 10 pm to get the following

Pluto in 4'38 Capricorn R
conjunct Ascendant in 5'25 Capricorn

I wanted to make the sure the non profit can be highly influential and be an agent for change.

In the Right Ascension chart,
DNA has the following

Haumea in 25'16 Libra
conjunct Midheaven in 26'02 Libra

which goes well with my
Haumea in 11'17 Virgo
square Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini

Eris in 25'25 Aries
oppose Midheaven in 26'02 Libra

which goes well with my
Eris in 12'15 Aries
sextile Midheaven in 11'14 Gemini

I didn't bother to look at Right Ascension when I formed DNA.

DNA is very strong in the 21st Century Transneptunian objects which I feel are very strong in the charts of the people that I formed the non profit organization for. That includes myself. I am very strong in the 21st Century objects. With all that transneptunian energy, DNA will indeed help raise consciousness and it will eventually become more metaphysically oriented as metaphysical subjects get more accepted.

At this moment, there are 594 members in DNA facebook group. That's almost 600 members in almost 3 months.

Raymond

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