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electricmind
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posted August 29, 2010 08:46 PM
 
what sign and house is your saturn in?
do you find yourself overcompensating in the life area designated by that house in the way dictated by the sign placement?what aspects (hard) are made to/by your saturn? i am saturn in scorpio in the 10th house. exactly square my aqua sun in the 2nd and conjunct mars. YES! YES! and YES!
i so over compensate in my career. i feel like i have to obsess over it and focus on it to the exclusion of everything else if i want to succeed. i'm working on allowing and being and not forcing so hard. i am wanting to embody/be the success i seek rather then try and create it externally. i think the saturn conjunct to mars tempers my drive and makes me ration myself instead of giving it all at once. i am like a drill working on a peace of titanium that eventually gets through. sun square saturn? i think that this speaks to the friction/internal conflict that has gotten me to the point where i stop trying to manipulate the world and things and circumstances and just embody that which i seek...success, legacy and recognition. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted August 29, 2010 09:31 PM
I have Saturn in the conjunct ASC in Scorpio.
I had cold water thrown on my self esteem as a teen.
I have struggled to climb up and now think I am getting traction.
Saturn does get better with age and time.
I will get there :find good self esteem and good confidence.
In the meantime, I was forced to find a spiritual path which I NEVER would have if I could have been a Rah Rah girl. x o Ami
PS I have Saturn trine Mars which allows me to be disciplined .
I like that I am a disciplined person.I can achieve goals in this world and I have no earth lol
That means something to me. PPS Scorpio/Pluto traits are hard for me. Maybe , cuz I have Saturn there.
It is the hardest energy of all my energies.
I have Gemini, Cancer and Scorpio,basically.
Scorpio is the hardest to integrate in to my personality.
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electricmind
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posted August 29, 2010 10:17 PM
hey ami.
thanks for sharing 
is your saturn in the 12th house or first house. if in the 12th, it seems that you would over compensate spiritually. maybe feeling like you need to be super spiritual in order to make up for subconscious fear, guilt and shame.if in the first house, it seems like you would over compensate in your appearance to make up for inner problems. make everything look right on the outside so that it appears as if everything is right on the inside. my mom has saturn in the 1st in libra. she is very into how one 'should' look and be dressed...societal mores etc. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted August 29, 2010 10:20 PM
The first house , Electric mind.
My motto was "If you look good--You must be doing all right" The problem is--you are not 
X Ami
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posted August 29, 2010 11:32 PM
Saturn in Sag in the 7th, conjunct my DSC and Uranus, square Venus.Big relationship theme... I AM ALWAYS IN A RELATIONSHIP. IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted August 29, 2010 11:46 PM
i have saturn tightly conjunct neptun and opposite jupiter in 8th house in capricorn.
UGH, i need BOTH eccentricity and order. i get money but not easily and fear loosing it unless i'm buying things that i need.
i absolutely NEED financial security and believe that staying in the same house for years at a time would give better financial security.
i have lost my father, to whom i was very close and fear loneliness, both 8th house problems and the loneliness and financial security parts are also effected in these ways because saturn is also conjunct venus
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electricmind
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posted August 29, 2010 11:51 PM
this a question that might be too personal for you to answer on a forum like this but...what about relationships and intimacy? what are you views and beliefs about sexuality, chastity, sexual expression etc? IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted August 29, 2010 11:56 PM
venus conjunct saturn - its hard for me to get satisfied!! lol, i dont like to stop until i get that big O, and it can take hours for me.
i can easily separate sex from love, i think that is because saturn is in capricorn------------------
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electricmind
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posted August 29, 2010 11:59 PM
do you think that you over compensate sexually? maybe being very sexually expressive in order to get intimacy? or feeling like the act of sex itself is something to conquer or "suceed" at?ETA: i think that the venus saturn conjunction has to do with money issues as well. i have a friend with venus saturn conjunct but his is in cancer. he really has issues and feelings of in adaquecy around gaining financial security and the freedom he believes it provides for himself and his family. IP: Logged |
vertiver
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posted August 30, 2010 01:13 AM
I have Saturn rx in the 1st in Sag., and I can relate, Ami, to having terrible teenage years that consisted of many hours feeling isolated, alone, and unapproachable. It wasn't until I traveled by myself that I finally started changing my obstinate ways. Hence the relation with Sag. and travel? But I still have yet to conquer over-compensating my personality in that I want to be like by everyone, therefore I get taken advantage or I don't act like myself. The key to my struggles has been that I've always had this guard up, and when I let it down, things work out, and my goofy, spacey self can express itself! Great topic, btw! IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted August 30, 2010 03:51 AM
Dear Electric mind
I wonder if you could find what in my chart makes me this way and I have always been this way.
I have had relatively few serious b/f's in my life--perhaps 7.
I would never have sex UNLESS they could marry me.
They did not HAVE to marry me and I did not want to ,either lol.
They just had to love me enough and vice -versa.
If not, I felt cheap, really, to say it as it is.
I feel such a sense that I must have honor, dignity and respect as I see it .
I never can/want to violate this.Could this be Pluto conjunct the MC? x o Ami
PS ---To whom it may concern
I don't want to discuss the rightness/wrongness of my values or values in general.
This is just how *I* am ------------------
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electricmind
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posted August 30, 2010 10:45 AM
thanks everyone for sharing.@Ami
i think that your 8th house and cancer placements bring issues of emotional security to the forefront. it could be that you need some type of appearance of security and stability before you let someone in in that way. i also think that your saturn in the first in scorpio is very much concerned with appearing to be socially acceptable...as well as your pluto conjunct midheaven (your chart ruler). it is more socially acceptable to have sex within the context of marriage. your saturn/pluto/scorp self is very sensitive to that type of thing. as a person who also has a strong plutonian/scorpio/10th house signature in her chart, part of our challenge in this lifetime is becoming our own authority. getting to the bottom of social customs heirarchies and rules and choosing what works best for us. not for fear of what other people think or because of wanting to fit in and follow the rules. our pluto conjunct midheavens makes us transformers of all things 10th house. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted August 30, 2010 10:57 AM
I overcompensate overallI have a very strong Saturn influence retrograde Saturn in Gemini - overcompensate communications
in 9th - belief systems
oppose Jupiter-Neptune in Sagittarius in 3rd - imagination,visualization, thought processes, communications,learning,school
square Moon in Pisces in 6th - daily routine
quincunx Sun in Scorpio in 2nd - self expression in connection to myself worth contraparallel Mercury - communications
contraparallel Venus - social skills
contraparallel Neptune - imagination,visualization
My Saturn is in 9th house and a little more than 6 degrees from the Midheaven. It is in the Gauquelin sector. It's common placement for scientists.
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lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 11:13 AM
I think Saturn is a defining point in the chart that describes karmic connections, and where we make sacrifices. But the universe always provides, so everything has a way of working out! IP: Logged |
Ami Ann
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posted August 30, 2010 11:38 AM
You know,Electric mind
I feel like most everything of value was stolen from me.
That would include my sense of self, confidence, trust in my feelings etc What kept the rest together was the feeling that I had some essential dignity which was still intact. My deep sense of self is related to character issues, integrity, values as I define them. This glue never came apart, Thank Goodness, or I would have, too. Ami ------------------
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lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 11:53 AM
And any planets conjunct would add a sense of mission, so that would add to Saturn's purpose.IP: Logged |
NickiG
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posted August 30, 2010 12:00 PM
@electricmind
"do you think that you over compensate sexually? maybe being very sexually expressive in order to get intimacy? or feeling like the act of sex itself is something to conquer or "suceed" at"i'v never really thought of it like that, but it definitely doesnt have to do with intimacy. i do sometimes feel like i have to suceed at it and if i feel i didnt do a good enough job i'll try harder and do a little research to see what new things can be done. "ETA: i think that the venus saturn conjunction has to do with money issues as well. i have a friend with venus saturn conjunct but his is in cancer. he really has issues and feelings of in adaquecy around gaining financial security and the freedom he believes it provides for himself and his family." maybe just a little for me, but saturn and venus are opposite of jupiter, which is retrograde in cancer. whenever i'm getting a cash flow i like to save up for "just in case" and feel good whenever that extra cash comes in handy, but i definitely dont horde my money and i dont really feel inadequate with it....much....maybe at times but not so much it interferes with my life
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electricmind
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posted August 30, 2010 12:01 PM
i have saturn in the 10th house.
conjunct mars and exactly square my sun.i have a very strong sense of purpose and direction. perhaps because this conjunction occurs in scorpio, i am constantly transforming and redefining, fine tuning, what that purpose and direction is. i hate to be pinned down and for people to think they have me figured out. i am always changing and morphing. its a lot for some people to keep up with because security and stability are more important to them. neither is "better" than the other. also, i have been challenging myself to live more in my NN and less on my SN comfort zone. my north node is in gemini right on the cusp between the 5th and 6th house. so having new experiences in creativity and fun as well as in my daily routine (health, job etc.) IP: Logged |
lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 12:19 PM
electricmind-
Your Saturn square Sun would also give you the drive to 'know thyself', right? Mars square Sun - need to channel your energy/anger to reap the rewards...IP: Logged |
electricmind
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posted August 30, 2010 12:26 PM
hmmm... i never even though about that. you could be right. how did you come up with this conclusion?strangely, i am rarely angry. i had a couple of fits of rage earlier this year when pluto made its first exact conjunction to my ascendant. in retrospect, i suppressed. i never expressed it to the person that i was angry at because i wanted to keep the relationship in tact and be stress free for a project we had to do together. this person was very scorpio...sun, mercury, venus, mars and pluto in scorpio in the first house! this all gives me a lot to think about. thanks lightworker your name is befitting. IP: Logged |
lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 12:47 PM
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hmmm... i never even though about that. you could be right. how did you come up with this conclusion?
strangely, i am rarely angry. i had a couple of fits of rage earlier this year when pluto made its first exact conjunction to my ascendant. in retrospect, i suppressed. i never expressed it to the person that i was angry at because i wanted to keep the relationship in tact and be stress free for a project we had to do together. this person was very scorpio...sun, mercury, venus, mars and pluto in scorpio in the first house!this all gives me a lot to think about. thanks lightworker your name is befitting.
-------------------------------- Thanks! I've had a lifetime of getting to know Saturn since it also opposes my Sun
I've also done charts for friends with Sun/Saturn aspects and we've had similar themes. I do love Grant Lewi's take on these aspects, too in "Heaven Knows What', where he associates Saturn/Sun with the drive for self realization. Without knowing your chart, it's hard to say what would lead you to be rarely angry. Sounds like a good thing, though! Perhaps your Saturnian discipline has helped you with this?
I would agree that your desire to suppress anger may have had more to do with Pluto on your Asc since Pluto would want to control the emotions. IP: Logged |
electricmind
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posted August 30, 2010 12:53 PM
i have aries moon in the third house square a conjunction between my ascendant/jupiter and neptune all in capricorn.i have emotional amnesia. but i'm working on processing this emotions before they slip away into the ethers and either become repressed or suppressed into my sub conscious. here is my chart in case you wanted to see.
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posted August 30, 2010 01:02 PM
if I add the asteroids....well the major onesSaturn conjunct retrograde Pallas in Gemini in 9th and trine Vesta in Aquarius in 5th.
Saturn is also conjunct retrograde transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Varuna in Gemini in 9th, and one of its keywords is competence. ------------------
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lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 01:30 PM
i have aries moon in the third house square a conjunction between my ascendant/jupiter and neptune all in capricorn.
i have emotional amnesia. but i'm working on processing this emotions before they slip away into the ethers and either become repressed or suppressed into my sub conscious.here is my chart in case you wanted to see.
-------------------------------- A few things pop out. One is the Part of Fortune in the middle of your Scorpio stellium. What benefits have you reaped from expressing the intensity and discipline of that stellium, in and outside of career? Also this would have offset some of the difficulties.
Jupiter on your Asc is an interesting counterpoint - the ability to relax and let go, and then to 'get to work' so to speak! Capricorn Asc adds to your practicality, Venus Psyche 1st house also would add intuitive, venusian qualities.
Interesting that you point out the Moon aspects, since they'll be triggered now with transits and will possibly be more in forefront.
Overall, this shows a complex personailty; no one should ever second guess or underestimate you! IP: Logged |
lightworker
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posted August 30, 2010 01:48 PM
Also, Liz Greene has a great book "Saturn' that you may want to check out, that describes in depth Saturn through the signs and houses. IP: Logged |
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