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posted September 01, 2010 05:59 PM         

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3 major oppositions and a grand trine/kite aspect that focused energy straight to pluto.
So was 9-11 simply a coincidence?

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posted September 01, 2010 06:13 PM         

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No it wasn't!

I would consider looking up asteroids as well. It's not very suprising.

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posted September 01, 2010 06:28 PM         

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Chiron Sagittarius 23.29
Ceres Capricorn 9.55
Pallas Sagittarius 7.07
Juno Cancer 29.37
Vesta Gemini 14.04
Fortune Aries 0.00
South node Aries 0.00

hows that for asteroids?
chiron and pallas were also in sagittarius, right were pluto is.
not to mention vesta in gemini. the grand trine is made in air signs
also, the sun at 8am was in the 12 house

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posted September 01, 2010 07:05 PM         

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I don't really get what you mean by coincidence. I don't believe in astrological coincidences (which is why I believe in astrology). And the event wasn't an accident.

Here's the chart of the first plane crash:

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posted September 01, 2010 07:12 PM         

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and there is still a kite aspect sending energy to pluto. and then pluto is in a fire sign. wow..the kite is created with mercury, uranus and the moon making an equalateral triangle and pluto opposes the moon to complete the kite
i personally didnt think it was a coincidence when i first looked at the chart...after i thought about looking at it of course

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posted September 01, 2010 07:46 PM         

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You're kidding, right?

eta: there's no kite in that chart.

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posted September 01, 2010 08:03 PM         

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I am scratching my head.
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posted September 01, 2010 08:18 PM         

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there is a kite, i swear it on my life. its made with the moon, pluto, mercury and uranus.
this is something i just read about so its pretty easy to spot.
uranus trines mercury, mercury trines moon, moom trines uranus, pluto opposite moon

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posted September 01, 2010 08:22 PM         

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But the orbs arent close enough. ???

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posted September 01, 2010 08:27 PM         

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the orbs are close enough according to the little charts under the natal charts themselves...i swear, it even shows the kite there too. i mean, look at the aspects between those planets in those charts down there, you'll see little triangles and that opposistion sign

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posted September 01, 2010 08:35 PM         

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Its barely a kite. 14 Libra (Mercury) and 21 Aquarius (Uranus) is too wide for a trine.

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posted September 01, 2010 08:38 PM         

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well, tell that to cafeastrology. com and astro.com because both are consistent in showing a trine between them.
but i'm not trying to argue over here, just pointing it out

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posted September 01, 2010 08:50 PM         

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Now I am going to have to make the chart myself to see if there's a kite. The first chart is that weird style and the 2nd has asteroids. But I don't see a kite at all.

ETA: When I made the chart in regular format, without all the damn lines etc. I see the kite. I hate how people have to make charts that are super exotic. No one can read them. You don't get extra points for fancy and lots of lines. Serious pet peeve of mine. I usually won't even read the chart if it's at all extraordinary, because it's tedious. I don't even like astrodiesnt style. Ok, don't mind me, rant over.

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posted September 01, 2010 09:09 PM         

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diana, i know how you feel about those lines...its aggrevating, i know...i try to ignore them as best i can..
hm..i look at the chart i posted again and it looks like a double kite with the second formed with mercury, uranus, saturn and venus
huh, i look again and venus and pluto also trine

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posted September 01, 2010 09:12 PM         

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I don't like your style chart, either. I like a very basic chart. It seems persnickety, I know, but I am used to reading the default style chart, so the other ones bug me.

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posted September 01, 2010 09:19 PM         

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yea, but the thing i like about my chart is it shows the planets actually overlap unlike astrodentist and what i like about astrodentist is it shows what houses the planets are in...if the site i use for charts just get rid of the lines then i would be less confused the majority of the time

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posted September 01, 2010 09:34 PM         

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pluto is almost 15 degrees away from opposing the moon...that is no kite. sorry nicki. it's a pretty spectacular chart all the same...

saturn does oppose pluto.

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posted September 01, 2010 09:55 PM         

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hm, yea your right katatonic, but there is a kite with mercury, uranus, saturn and venus, this i'm certain of.
venus and pluto make a trine too...
gah, why do i feel like defending myself? anyways.....my mind must be tired, that or i'm just excited because of something else completely unrelated to this

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posted September 02, 2010 12:25 AM         

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There's a kite. You just can't see it in the inane charts that were posted.

And this illustrates why I won't read charts that aren't standard and why I get so pissy about them. You can't even frickin' read them.

(sorry posters.)

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posted September 02, 2010 12:59 AM         

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in any case it certainly was no coincidence they picked that day. whether they looked at the astrology or not, 911 is too significant in too many ways to have been a random choice. so the chart would bear that out. i agree that 14-21 is a little wide for a kite, BUT both are tied together by the 18* -the lines DO make it harder to read since for some reason they have omitted the connection between merc and venus even though it's the same distance as venus and saturn...?

and there is a lot of heavy action in the chart even if it's not a proper kite! thanks for posting it nicki!

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posted September 02, 2010 01:11 AM         

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shrugs

Venus trine Eris under 2 degrees and Venus square Sedna under 2 degrees are more significant than the Venus trine Pluto with 6 degree orb

if we use wide aspects with Pluto, then might as well count the Venus conjunct transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Orcus. Orcus is a plutino,and so it has 2:3 orbital resonance with Pluto, and their orbital periods are only a year apart

There is also the Jupiter conjunct Varuna within half a degree orb. I don't see how anybody can overlook that.
Varuna is a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate.

I'd think that event charts, the aspect patterns would be narrow orbed and not very wide

imho I don't see a kite nor even a grand trine

I don't use astro.com orbs
I use the option to decrease orbs.

Because there are a whole lot of transneptunian objects, I decreased orbs for Pluto. If we use regular planetary orbs for Pluto, then we might as well as use those same orbs for Eris which is larger than Pluto as well as for Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,andIxion. Why not even use the same orbs for Ceres? After all, it's a dwarf planet like Pluto,Eris,Ceres,Makemake,and Haumea. It may not even actually be an asteroid but a kuiper belt object that traveled into the asteroid belt. It's kinda odd that it stands alone in the asteroid belt with its roundness and its large size of 950 km in diameter,and those are connected to hydrostatic equilibrium which Ceres is in.

I keep the orbs no more than 3 degrees and extend it a little when involved Sun,Moon,Midheaven,and Ascendant or involved in an aspect pattern.

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posted September 02, 2010 01:22 AM         

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you can read any chart if you don`t use astronomical orbs.
MY rant.

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posted September 02, 2010 06:39 AM         

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*Off topic!

Diana, I love the Capricorn in you

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You don't get extra points for fancy and lots of lines.

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I say things like that all the time

*Back to topic!

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posted September 02, 2010 06:42 AM         

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The one bit that sticks out with that chart, to me, is the Saturn Pluto opposition, how strong it can be, and also how symbolic.
Eerily symbolic.
But really, with Pluto in Sagittarius, something had to give.

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posted September 02, 2010 03:16 PM         

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MY rant.

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I can't. It doesn't have anything to do with the orbs. I am not used to the chart and it takes me longer to read it. Especially the first one, that has no degrees on the planets, no applying/separating or degrees on the orbs. It makes more work. The way I read, I need to see degrees of houses, planets, and aspects, because that's a big part of my method.

Most people prefer the default chart, because it's what they're used to. You notice this when people post a different chart -- they get less replies, because most people prefer the regular chart.

Lonake,

That seemed cappy? That's funny. That's my mercury talking.

There's so much going on this chart. So many critical degrees, so many confirmations of what happened. It's interesting.

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