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Topic: HATE.. right or wrong?
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belgz Knowflake Posts: 2115 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 05:21 AM
Ok so we feel hate for certain people or dislike them..I was reading something in another thread that gave such an accurate description of my mother and for a split second it made me think we really don't have much control over our negative and positive qualities. Right? We are like an open book when someone has our natal chart. What if she can't help but be like that? It IS destined that we were going to be that way especially with the stong Moon-Neptune opposition in my chart. Her weak addictive character shows. I think astrology makes us very aware of peoples faults due to certain aspects or planetary configurations in their chart. What do you think? If this shows in their natal chart then is it wrong to really hate or dislike them when they are born that way? Or to resent them for the way they act? I really think it is very hard to overcome your chart especially when destiny is out of our hands. IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3830 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 05:42 AM
Profound questions!!!! It is the question of Free will, really. There is always that question.I struggle with that with my mother ALL the time. I go back and forth! X O Ami PS When you see the charts with the asteroids, that makes it worse, in a way, when Nessus etc gets in the picture I don't think God made anyone to BE bad , though. So, there must be free will. ------------------ Rock with your bad Pluto. IP: Logged |
charmainec Moderator Posts: 573 From: on the other side of the rainbow Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 05:50 AM
Personally I believe that’s why we have free will. Our charts are a guide as to positive and negative traits weak and strong points i.e. health etc.Remember Linda kept reminding us that “the starts incline, they do not compel”. When we know our strengths and weaknesses we can use that knowledge to improve ourselves and not just wait for ‘fate” to play out our lives. We all have the potential to be the best we can.
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bonadea33 Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Registered: Jan 2010
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posted September 03, 2010 05:57 AM
belgz,That is area of Synastry: people love each other or not; doesn't matter are they family, friends, lovers or any person. I have seen when someone's planets fall in my 6th, 8th or 12th house: there is not much love between us. I look also aspects between me and other person. B.
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Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3830 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 06:01 AM
If there is a horrible chart---Can you tell if it will be a saint or a sinner---so to speak?? Could it be a serial killer or a Ghandi? Ami
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1480 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 06:23 AM
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1480 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 06:34 AM
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charmainec Moderator Posts: 573 From: on the other side of the rainbow Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 06:46 AM
By positive and negative traits I was referring to each sign having those.Not judging any individual here Popcorn. E.g an Aries can be selfish negative trait also generous positive trait) and so it goes through each sign and that’s what I meant by it.------------------ quote: "What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson
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PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 4014 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 06:48 AM
Each planet reflects positive and negative influences. I think it's up to the individual as to how they channel and use those. I think that saying that something is out of your hands or control in that sense is shirking responsibility for yourself and your actions. Everyone has to be accountable for what they do in some way otherwise it's a state of anarchy, and that's dangerous on a whole lot of levels. Free will doesn't mean you can be a total a-hole to someone and that make's it okay because you have a certain aspect in your chart. It doesn't work that way. Nor should it.IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 1386 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:13 AM
editbelgz, the icon is for something which I edited and had nothing to do with your thread in fact, that's why I edited it sorry I'll email the mods regarding my issue instead IP: Logged |
Ami Ann Knowflake Posts: 3830 From: Pluto Registered: Dec 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:16 AM
Bobbie is not a troll.Is that what you are saying,Pire?? I talk to her by e mail and she is a very real person with very real issues--astrological and otherwise! Ami ------------------ Rock with your bad Pluto. IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 1386 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:20 AM
nevermind ami, thanks
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bonadea33 Knowflake Posts: 388 From: Registered: Jan 2010
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posted September 03, 2010 07:24 AM
Ami,You are very kind. To protect me from somebody here, has no sense. Maybe I am troll for somebody, you never know? Maybe is somebody's Synastry with me very bad? I do care about somebody I know, but I don't care about somebody, I don't know. WL, B. ------------------
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popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1480 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:29 AM
PA.Yes I agree. Everyone who are healthy and can take the own responsible for how they handle their own lifes brings so many possibilities. Everyone are unique and also have different possible to use stress. Our capacity, ability and capacity are also different but can changes and strenghts.I've difficult to understand when people put up bad things on one another individual. People are so critical to there own so they often not need to puts down more. I like to see the possibilities in everyones chart and lifes. The whole life are developing and a exciting adventure. IP: Logged |
venus in gemini Knowflake Posts: 693 From: Florida Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:42 AM
I think it comes down to your free will and how you shape your destiny. Fate is what the Universe hands you at birth. And for those of us who know astrology, we have our natal charts, which is the map of the universal contract we come in with. So the Universe throws "Difficult People", and "Difficult Life Situations" at us, and then says, "Choose how you will respond." That's our Free Will. That's the Destiny we create with our Free Will choices.If you think about it, we are all ahead of the game compared to those without any astrological knowledge, because at least we know what type of trials and lessons are coming at us due to transits, etc. IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1480 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 07:57 AM
Yes I agree complete!!! except patient on respirator, infants, babys and other people who not in the life can take the decision to use the free will.IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 2115 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 08:03 AM
Pire, I read what you wrote and I thought it was about me so I ignored it luckily. You said the poster so that was me right? Hehe. Vig, I love what you wrote IP: Logged |
Mblake81 Knowflake Posts: 266 From: Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 03, 2010 08:25 AM
Popcorn,about the luck bringing you a good life.To be honest i do think there is such a thing as luck. Things have happened in my life for no obvious reason that i can determine. Before people are born are we sit down in a room and asked where we would like to be born, to whom we would like to be born, when, what social status,wealth? Honestly you can say its completely all by chance. Its why i do not understand the value of patriotism, social class, rich and poor or when and where we are born. Did we really choose to be that before hand? In this sense life is really all you make it to be. Its how i personally determine whats BS about humanity and what might be something real. PS i found this and it has no relevance to my post, i just find it amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F_G2zp-opg IP: Logged |
popcorn Knowflake Posts: 1480 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 08:33 AM
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JChristine Knowflake Posts: 82 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 09:28 AM
I have to agree with MBlake. I believe those qualities that we 'dislike' in others are just ways of looking at ourselves. We are all here to help each other grow and evolve as spiritual beings. Yes you can hate your mother, father, sister, brother, next door neighbor for being an "ass", but in the greater scheme of things they are there to push you along so that you grow...I kinda feel like those moments that really push your buttons are just opportunities to prove your worth. The "ass" in the situation was probably kind enough to play such an unsavory role just so that you'd have the opportunity to grow into someone brilliant...or not. It all depends. IP: Logged |
MysticMelody Moderator Posts: 856 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 09:38 AM
This thread SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO reminds me of THIS thread. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum7/HTML/000709.html That being said, most times I think of my mother I want to smack her. Just kidding. Mostly. :/
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belgz Knowflake Posts: 2115 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 09:56 AM
Popcorn, pire was referring to a male I don't think it was you IP: Logged |
pire Knowflake Posts: 1386 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 10:13 AM
popcorn, I wonder how you can think you were concerned if you have read my post. after all I quoted the person I was talking about. belgz, on the other hand, was the original poster so when I talked about the person and refered to him/her as "the poster", I understand that she could have been confused. you however, I do not see how you can feel concerned? my apologies to everyone who wrote on this thread for disrupting it
IF ANYONE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT IT, LET'S START ANOTHER THREAD AND LET THIS ONE IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 4977 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 10:25 AM
moon opp neptune can mean myriad things. it depends on the chart owner! i have a pisces moon, but have never suffered from addictive tendencies! nor did my mother, nor was she an escapist, dreamer type or any of the other negative things pisces can be interpreted to mean.i will share again a quote LEXX posted in one of her threads just cos i like it. "the man who cannot forgive should dig two graves..." an old chinese proverb...you don't have to hang out with your mother but she gave you life and if you can't get past your conceived problems with her it is YOU who are dragging it out. IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 2115 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 03, 2010 11:13 AM
I was just using my mum as an example. This could be about anyone really. For example we all know cancerians are home type people so it would be well known to an outgoing Sagittarius that if they were to live together cancer would prefer to stay home most nights rather than be out booking the next travel dates. I know this is being general about sun signs but we know from someones chart certain characteristics they have. Can people here not do that? We do it every day we even guess sun, moon and asc placements based on ohyiscal appearance and pictures. So what I am saying is that maybe we are just born one way and some fixed signs or people just cannot evolve and are victims of a bad natal chart or bad fate/karma whatever you want to call it.So in this particular thread it mentioned how cancer combo with Aries moon would make someone who does nit like cooking or spending time with her children (something similar) and after I read that I thought maybe she can't help it, maybe that is just who she is... Just as the stars state. There is so way I can be patient or attentive with my Gemini moon even when I'm blind drunk and sedated I am still all the characteristics of a Gemini moon. I can't just make it go away or I can't just use the positive traits without any planets in earth to stabilize me a bit. I am always restless and moving around till I get into bed. Anyways it was just a thought but you guys are so caught up in free will and I'm not sure I believe in free will when astrology shows major events in our life very clearly. Accidents show, marriage and childbirth show, education, rewards and recognition, these are not a coincidence this was all planned out before we took our first breathe and we like zombies and robots are following through. Well that is how I feel I havn't seen free will at work yet. Free will is when I can't predict the future. IP: Logged |