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Topic: House cusp orbs
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CrazyAquarian
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posted September 03, 2010 11:32 PM
 
Stephen Arroyo says that if you have a planet in a house 6 degrees at the end it should be considered the next house. Anyone relate to that? I have Mars/Neptune in my first house 2 degrees away from my 2nd. But I sure feel like it is in my first. Maybe more Mars than Neptune but still. Unless I'm confused or misunderstanding how it affects me or how it could/is affecting my 2nd. That would also mean Pluto in affecting my 12th instead of 11th. I'm a bit confused. What would be the point of how cusp lines at all?
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pire
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posted September 07, 2010 10:58 AM
well I think house cusp are very important.IP: Logged |
pire
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posted September 07, 2010 11:00 AM
I should probably develop, no?IP: Logged |
pire
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posted September 07, 2010 11:13 AM
hmmm, let me try:I use whole sign house system but I consider house cusp imoprtant, a sort of focal point of the house; important especially in synastry and in natal when conjunct a planet. example, in my chart, mars is conjunct my third house cusp and it shows, I'm aggressive or at best "assertive" when I don't even try, unless I am pondering the issue, but this is related to my libra moon I suppose.
but in my system, to determine the house cusps, I use the equal house system. see what I mean? to analyse planets in house, I use whole sign system mixed with equal's house cusp. so if my asc is 29 virgo and my moon is 5 virgo, I consider my moon in the 1st house. and if, say mercury is on libra 1, then mercury will be in 2nd, but conjunct my Asc nevertheless, hence part of how I define myself, even unconsciously. but still a mercury concerned by values (2nd) of beauty and harmony (libra) well that's just my take on it, but since everything is so personal in this matter... IP: Logged |
pire
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posted September 07, 2010 11:18 AM
woops, forgot about "orbs"I don't use orb in this regard. a planet is conjunct a house cusp... or not.
but I am in a bad mood today... 
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Izo
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posted September 07, 2010 02:38 PM
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Stephen Arroyo says that if you have a planet in a house 6 degrees at the end it should be considered the next house.
That rule has one exception: if the planet is retro, it is said to "come back" in its original house. I feel this especially when it comes to my Moon and Neptune, which are at the end of the 11th house. I feel my Moon in the 12th, but Neptune in the 11th, because it is stationary retro. ------------------
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Lonake
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posted September 08, 2010 01:18 AM
No kidding.DepTaurus,
Interesting topic, and one that has different viewpoints.
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Stephen Arroyo says that if you have a planet in a house 6 degrees at the end it should be considered the next house. Anyone relate to that?
No. Although I do love Stephen My experience in the matter is that if it's in the house, it's in the house. Now, the murky area is, if it's close to the cusp, just how close is it to that cusp? Are we off by 30 minutes, you're likely going to see the "influence" as 85-90% of that next house, in my opinion. Are you off by 1 degree, maybe 70%, by 2, maybe 50 or so, by 3, maybe 30-40. My point is that in my experience the orb of being conj the next cusp rapidly diminishes in strength. The exception seems to be for angular houses, but mainly only when they are in the same sign. For instance my Moon is about 5 degrees from my Dsc, but in a different sign, and the interpretation for H7 does not fit for me, but the interpretation for the opposition to the Asc does *somewhat* fit, and that is in line with the orb in addition to the different sign. If your planet is in the same sign as the h2 cusp, I would see it as finishing up in h1, and peeking into the activities of the next house, so that every action is geared up with the feeling of, not only how is this affecting "me" and my h1 identity issues, but also how is it going to impact my finances, my self-worth, what I value. The closer they are to the cusp the more that distinction is made. There is a difference, but in my opinion the edges get blurred. But I do see the cusp as a door to the house. EDIT: Also, I want to say that I've seen planets toward the end of a house have a certain added momentum, but different than the kind of momentum at the beginning of a house. At the beginning you're very focused on achieving this end, and the energy calls out, especially on an angle, and it tends to manifest quite strongly. At the end of the house there's added energy because now you're eager to push it forward and thinking of how it could manifest in the next. Maybe you could call it a type of nervous energy. IP: Logged |
CrazyAquarian
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posted September 08, 2010 02:14 AM
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No. Although I do love Stephen My experience in the matter is that if it's in the house, it's in the house.
That's why I wanted to hear what others had to say. He's obviously a great astrologer but when I read that I kinda got eh....wasn't sure whether to believe it or not.Maybe seeing my chart would help, if anyone is interested. I don't know whats going on with my moon and pluto either.
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soulful122
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posted September 10, 2010 10:43 AM
My Sun in 2nd conjuncts 3rd house cusp by 2°, both interp of Sun in 2nd, & 3rd applies to me.Also, my Chiron rx sits right on the 9th cusp too. IP: Logged |
FrozenQueen
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posted September 10, 2010 11:26 AM
I agree. If it's in the house, It's in the house.My Pluto conjuncts my IC by 3 degrees but I "feel" the 3rd house description. The 4th house can apply too but only 'cause my IC is in Scorpio. ------------------
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Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 4536
From: Sacramento,California
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 10, 2010 11:31 AM
I count it as being in both housesbesides in the whole sign house system, it's usually in the other house any way I believe the whole sign house system does work. It's the oldest house system. Many of the house systems don't even work in the polar regions. There are millions of people that live in the Northern Polar regions. That's one of many inconsistencies in Astrology that I question. ------------------
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DD
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posted September 10, 2010 11:43 AM
I believe housecusps are sensitive points (actually they are like the angles, just not cardinal), so I count them as conjunctions to the cusp. (and oppositons)
I have Uranus technically in 10th house but extremely closely conjunct 11th cusp and opposping 5th cusp - definitely true. 
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