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In all my dating career, which indeed isn't that impressive, even during times when the going got tough - and it did - I was always glad I wasn't one of those girls hopelessly falling for a Scorpio guy, trying hard to figure out what's behind their fixed stare or their monosilabic responses. Unfortunately, all good things come to an end and now I find myself sort of dating a Scorp. There goes my peace of mind! I said "sort of" because I absolutely have no clue how we stand due to his cryptic behaviour.
For anyone who has read my Dear Uranus thread, this is about the London guy. We've been Internet friends for like 3 years, met in person a couple of times, had a nice, friendly time together. He is now visiting my country and we sort of made out. Again, sort of... After the initial "friend vs. boyfriend" awkwardness, I found him to be quite distant towards me, he doesn't even hold my hand, but on the other hand he clears his other appointments to spend more time with me and asks me to go to his place, only to continue his distant behaviour. When we decided to take things slow, I meant "walking speed" slow, but I am getting "tortoise" slow!
Last night we got into a heated argument (we both have Mercury conj Mars, only mine are in Aries, his are in Libra, in opposition from mine), with me almost storming out of his apartment because I wanted things out in the open, while he dodged the subject.
He claims he was romantically interested in me from the beginning, I am just starting to tap into our lusty synastric aspects (Sun conjunct Pluto, Sun opp Mars, Venus conj Pluto, Venus opp Mars, Mars conj Pluto, Mars opp Mars). So now that I am finally interested, he is acting like an iceberg! My initial thought was that he doesn't find me attractive and doesn't know how to tell me. But now it hits me that he is a Scorpio and they usually put people to the test like that. Is he like punishing me for something I might have said or done?
So I ask the more experienced knowflakes in Scorpio matters, is this a test?!

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If you did say something to make him mad, you would know. if he is interested in you enough to spend time with you, he is INTERESTED in you. hes not a "i like her, but i dont LIKE her" kind of person. i believe he is merely testing your strenght of will, i get the feeling he isnt the kind of guy that takes his love interests lightly

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I don't think that's just a Scorpio thing - where is Peri's head-bashing icon? (in response to the freezing-out, not the Scorpio mention. )
*edit. Here we go.

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NickiG said:

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lol, teasel how about this one

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Izo said:

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Nicki,
No, he wasn't mad. I got angry, he was quite calm, which made me angrier LOL.

Teasel,

You're right, it's not just Scorpio. It's Scorpio Sun conjunct Uranus! The Uranus part I might sort of understand, I have experience with Aquarians, but with Scorpios... none! I'm actually a bit terrified of that idea.

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lol, Izo, i'm a scorpio myself so i was merely giving you first hand experience

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Izo said:

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Boy, you Scorps are complicated!

Seriously, why ask me to stay the night if you keep me at arm's length? I didn't have sex in mind, but some cuddling would have been nice...

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LOL@Izo, we know

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teasel said:

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I'm a Scorpio ascendant, who was thinking of a conversation I once had with a Taurus. He was in a mood, and he turned a conversation in an unexpected, but welcome direction for me. Out of nowhere, he said something about being honest, to which I thought, "Finally!!" His version of us being honest, involved him questioning me, but not giving up anything himself.
I was thinking it's more a douchebag thing, not a Scorpio thing.

*edit. LOL Nicki. I'll save that one to my bookmarks.

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Izo said:

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Oh, Teasel... let's not think about Bulls. Please, let's just not go there!
Thing is, we had that honesty moment already. He told me he likes me, I told him I like him, then nothing... WTF?

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posted September 07, 2010 03:16 AM         

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MBlake has Scorpio Sun conjunct Uranus.
If he doesn't answer make a thread

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Same here; WTF? in my own situation. Even after we'd gone there, he confused the hell out of me.
I wish I could help. I don't know what to suggest. (Aren't you an Aries, too? I am. I really wish I knew what to tell you.)

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Use common sense, Izo, and don't let anyone f*** with your mind. I've had a number of Scorpio guys interested in me and the more interested they were the more open they were about it. Scorpio or Aqua or Pisces if the guy is really into you he will make it obvious to you no matter what. I've seen really shy guys doing things I would never imagine they were capable of when they really wanted to be with a girl. Yes, it is possible that a person may be interested and cryptic about it at the same time but it happens mostly in the following cases:
- he is a teenager
- he is attracted to you but is immature and plays power games to control you
- he has a gf and wants you to initiate everything (so that to him it looks like you seduced him and he is an innocent victim)
- he is only half-interested and is too lazy to make an effort so he leaves it all up to you
- he only wants to know how quickly you'll fall for him

Keep in touch if you like him but don't take him seriously until he is open with you.

Best of luck

@Teasel

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Izo said:

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I am an Aries too, Teasel. Thing is, when I first met the Scorp in person, I started a relationship with a Bull that I was head over heals and had no eyes for the Scorp.
After the Bull experience, I can tell you this: they aren't complicated, they're just slow. It takes forever for them to figure out if they want in and another eternity until they actually put energy into it.
Ami, thank you for the suggestion. I didn't know that. I hope he'll drop by.

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But doesn't Scorpios have the reputation to go after their preys for sure when the target it set? XP They have the reputation of being determined.
I'm an Aries (with Aries Moon/Virgo AC) and my bf is a Scorpio (with Pisces Moon/AC), and he was honest when we had let each other know about our feelings, without any "games" or strange hesitation. I don't think that it's a Scorpio thing to hesitate and confuse the other person.

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Scorpio here!
When I am interested I leave no room for doubt.
When I want someone, or something, unless an outside influence stops my efforts, I totally go for it until I have who or whatever I am after.
Scorpio Sun
Aqua Moon
Cap asc.
Venus in Scorpio

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comica23 said:

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But hesitation might not always be about manipulation, it might also be that he has some issues.
Although if someone is interested enough in someone, he would still show it enough if he values this person.

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Izo said:

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Peri, thank you for the sound advice. I generally think so, too, but I know that the Scorpio mind works differently, that's why I asked.
To be completely honest, up until now I was the more hesitant one. I still am, in a way. I mean, I haven't really decided if I like him that much. I like him more every day, but I am a long way from falling for him.
Comica,
Thanks for sharing. He also has a Pisces Moon, like your bf, I am also an Aries like you.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:23 AM         

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right on, Comica, that's what I was talking about.
If the guy feels the need to test you, it means he sees you as some kind of a toy that he is planning to disassemble to see how it works. It is not a Scorpio thing it's a jerk thing.

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Izo said:

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Ohhh... perhaps I didn't explain it too well. He does show interest in me, as a person, he makes time for me, he even hinted that he prolonged his stay in my country for me, but he doesn't show interest in me as a woman... That sort of worries me. That perhaps it was all a mistake and we should have remained friends and now that friendship might also be ruined.

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Ami Ann said:

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You know, Izo, I had one experience like this.
I was in college. A guy invited me on dates. During spring break , we spent a lot of time together. He seemed to want to take me to nice places that I would like.
However, he never kissed me.I could never figure out what the problem was.
Why did he invite me out if he had no interest in me?
Finally, it reached the point where I lost all interest in him cuz it was too weird and I did not know what to do.

He was very upset and asked me what was wrong. He may have even been crying. I can't remember.
I said,"I had no idea why you didn't try to kiss me or anything .

He said that he had been very hurt and was scared to death.

Ami

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NickiG said:

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this guy here MUST have scorp sun/leo moon, just look at the way he "woos" this girl http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxMRVyPlE_E
WARNING its star trek, lol

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No, it doesn't sound like a test. I would never do that so I can't imagine someone testing people. A grown up, at least. I think that he was interested and that maybe he changed his mind for the time being but would still like to remain friends in order to figure out how he really feels - which he can't do with you out of his life. I think he is testing HIMSELF to see how he feels. Is that possible?

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Scorpio here!
When I am interested I leave no room for doubt.
When I want someone, or something, unless an outside influence stops my efforts, I totally go for it until I have who or whatever I am after.
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Me too. If I get it. If it doesn't infringe on someone's free-will because sometimes, they don't want to be had.
Scorp AC conjunct Jupiter
SCorp Mars.

I think I hardly make a move unless I am sure of something, and before I am sure, I will not act. That's just me personally, though. I seldom hesitate on anything because I think it through and make sure that I really "want" it.

So...

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posted September 07, 2010 03:25 AM         

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Hi Peri. I love that icon.
Izo - I was trying to remember a blog I came across last year, where a woman talked about using 'feeling messages' to talk to a man about something troubling you - not placing blame on them, which should leave them feeling more comfortable opening up to you... hang on.

(I was terrible at the no-blame thing, with certain things, and the Taurus did come around, but certain things happened that made it all too little, too late... it's just messed up now because of them, so I pushed him away. I think he's gone for good, now, although he kept coming back for a while there - despite blame being thrown around. His cocky, condescending attitude did him in - he apologized for certain things, only to mess with my head again).

She talked about how some men will pull away if they're overwhelmed with feelings. I'll see if I can find it.

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I know it's not so simple, but I am a Scorpio and would never make a move (even with an Aries Mars), and have behaved the way described. I think that's partly why I am here - I am trying to understand why I behaved that way (and accept that it is psychological as well as astrological).
I think Ami hit on something, if he has been hurt he will need to be sure of your interest before showing his hand - call it a test if you wish, but I don't think he would see it that way.

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Izo said:

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Okay. First of all, big thanks to everyone here who offered advice or shared experiences. Second, I am now even more confused.
The heated conversation went like this:
(me all hot and bothered, getting up in the middle of the night and getting dressed to go home)
HIM: What are you doing? Come back to bed. (which is like sleeping alone, only in his bed)
ME: No. I'm going home. Coming here was a mistake. You clearly don't like me like that, and that's fine, I understand. But why would you ask me to stay here? I can sleep at my place. We'll stay friends, it's alright. But I want to go home now.
HIM: Come on, don't be silly, of course I like you. Why did you think I asked you to stay? You're overreacting. I have to get up early in the morning. Come back to bed. We'll talk about this in the morning.
So I eventually stayed. He was right that I overreacted, I could have handled it more rationally. After we made peace, he said we should go somewhere nice, just the two of us. I asked him to think about what I told him first. In the morning we didn't hear the alarm clock, so he was in a hurry and we didn't discuss it further. He kissed me on the head as I walked through the door.

That was this morning. Since then he sent a neutral text message, I answered on the same tone. I'm gonna wait until we see each other again and if things are still distant, I'm gonna take a stand. There is really no big difference between being with him and being single, so I think I'd rather be single.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:29 AM         

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OK! I retract what I said - I have NEVER behaved like that.
Are you sure he's a Scorpio?!

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Izo said:

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I don't think he's a jerk. With time, I got to know him, at least partially, and I don't think he is a jerk. My guesses are:
a) he's not attracted to me and changed his mind
b) he has indeed some issues, like Ami and Eskimono pointed out. I wouldn't know, it's hard to get things out of him, took me 3 years to get his birthdate!

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Ami Ann said:

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I think the only logical explanation IF he likes you which he seems to is that he was really, really and I mean REALLY burned

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Izo said:

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Yes, Eskimono. I am sure of that. He has Sun in Scorpio, conjunct Mercury, Venus, Mars AND Uranus (though those are in Libra), which conjunct my Saturn and my Pluto very closely. I find him weird, he finds me a wet blanket. *sigh*

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NickiG said:

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hm, based on all that, maybe he has a heavy taurus influence in his natal chart...just a speculation

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Ami Ann said:

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Man, Izo , ALL those planets conjunct the Sun?
How close are the conjunctions? Can you put his chart up?
Is it an introverted chart?

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eskimono said:

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My instinct is that you won't find the answers in astrology.
Ami - I can't imagine a Scorpio spending the night platonically if he weren't interested, and I can't imagine him ignoring pleas for more intimacy (in those circumstances) if he were?? It's a conundrum.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:31 AM         

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That's his Libran Mars
With the Scorpio sun conj Uranus he wants intense closeness, you know how us water signs love that deep non verbal communication, and then he's also gonna want some downtime and permission to act a bit off the wall sometimes, and maybe be a bit detached. Like inviting you over but no follow through, he may be examining you and seeing how you work under the microscope so-to-speak. He's thinking it through before he makes bigger moves that would spell to him an immediate closer bond.

I like Scorpio guys, I think they're very easy to read.

Peri,

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I disagree, simply because some people who have been very hurt on an emotional level will test others in an attempt to feel safe, once others pass the test(s) then they are admitted into their realm. I've seen this among many Scorpios. Don't doubt their deep vulnerability.
I think bottom line just be honest and open, don't push just be natural and let it take its course. That works well for both Scorpio and Aquarius (Uranus).

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Izo said:

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Nicki, could be. He does enjoy food and talks a lot about it. He doesn't have planets there, though.
Ami, here is his chart. No birth time and I have no hope of finding it out any time soon, if ever. http://www.glowfoto.com/static_image/04-131901L/2540/jpg/09/2010/img5/glowfoto

Lonake, thank you. I wish that was the case. I guess I will find out soon.
This clashes with my Aries Mars, which prefers confident men. If he needs time to figure things out, okay, call me when you do, but in the mean time stop encouraging me. Does he think I never got hurt? I have and not too long ago. If he's not sure, then perhaps he should wait until he is, that's all I'm saying.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:34 AM         

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well, I agree with you here Lonake, I was in an Aries mode when I wrote that hehe. BTW now I am confused too, lol.

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Ami Ann said:

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Wow
That image does not stay long for some reason.
I am not as good as many of you but that is some chart.
Can I say stellium lol?
Wow--knowing the houses would be nice cuz whatever that house is it will be important lol
He has an exact conjunction of Mars and Uranus.
He has NN conjunct Neptune which may make him Neptune like.
This may add to his fears of commitment. Just a thought, not sure if I am right. Would like some feedback on this.

I say this cuz it gives him a Pisces flavor and everyone talks about Pisces guys and commitment lol
He has Saturn all by itself, too.

Wow,maybe it will take another 3 years to get the birth time

Ami

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Izo said:

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What amazes me about our synastry is that we have quite a few exact aspects, or pretty close.
-his Sun conj my Saturn is exact
-his Mars conj my Pluto is exact
-his Mars opposite my Mars is exact
-his Uranus conj my Pluto is exact
-his Uranus opp my Mars is exact
-his NN conj my Jupiter is exact
-his Saturn sextile my Venus is exact (both of which are unaspected)
-his Jupiter square my Uranus is exact
-his Venus conj my Pluto 1 deg
-his Venus opp my Mars 1 deg

These aspects are so damn hot, so, honestly, WTF?!

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posted September 07, 2010 03:37 AM         

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I'm confused, too. The first post sounded as though he was just acting cold towards you. I don't mind shy - I'm very shy at first - and I made all sorts of excuses for someone. But that situation is messed up, anyhow. I wish things had been different there.
I don't understand why he wouldn't just say something - that's why I suggested the 'feeling messages'. The woman's name was Rori, and she talked about not hiding what you're feeling, but it doesn't sound as though you're doing that at all. With the man I mentioned, there were times that he warmed up when I talked about how I was feeling, without thinking about it (before I'd ever heard of this woman), and then there was that one time when I told him I trusted him to do the right thing - he warmed right up that time. Ugh, but he also lied to me - hid something from me. That and what he did, is the deal-breaker.

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Izo said:

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Ami,
I was thinking that stellium could be in his 9th, he has travelled A LOT, is very knowledgeable and teaches at the Uni. He is indeed quite Neptunian, very spiritual, not religious though.
I was thinking perhaps an early Aqua rising. That puts his stellium in the 9th, Saturn in the 7th (which I think it suits), Moon and Jupiter in the 1st (he's in his 30s and already has grey hair, I read Moon in the 1st can do that).

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Ami Ann said:

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Ok, Aqua rising fits
Can the chart show trauma? Perhaps, Asteroids can. IQ was the only person on earth who pegged what my mother did to me. He saw trauma from the asteroids, I think.

Maybe, Saturn in the 7th shows a VERY hard time with relationships. Saturn is all by itself.
Is that the case or did it just look that way on that chart?

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Izo said:

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Teasel,
He IS cold towards me, unaffectionate I mean. The way he is acting towards me is as we're still best pals. Well, in my opinion, we crossed a line and we're no longer just buddies. I'd like to see some manifestations of that. I did tell him how I feel, I said it bothers me that he is distant and that I am not asking for committment or promises because I know how things are (living across the continent).
Ugh... I feel sorry about the way I acted last night. I was immature about it. But he sometimes rubs me the wrong way with his oppositions to my Mars. I rarely act on my Aries Mars's behalf, but when I do (like I did last night) there is smoke coming out of my ears.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:41 AM         

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I think his moon is in aqua.

He may have been testing you to see if you just wanted sex.

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Izo, I completely get what Mars conj Mercury in Aries might think/feel/desire.
Your argument makes sense.
Hopefully somewhere along the continuum you two can meet
Have you dated any Geminis with prominent Mars?
Or some sort of variation, just curious.

Peri You're a cutie. Aries is completely forgiven. I know how Fire acts quick then gone. Plus I have Aries MC so I guess I have the rep

Ami, I love your constant use of the mad face icon, it's adorable

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Izo said:

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Ami,
I don't know much about his romantic past. He told me once he almost got married, but he cancelled, I don't know the reason (you were right about his committment issues). I think he has been single for a while - at least in the last 3 years since I've known him. He didn't mention serious love trauma to me, but I imagine there is some.

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teasel said:

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I can't find what I'm looking for in her archives.
Sometimes, blowing up can be a good thing (as long as it doesn't happen too often).

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Izo said:

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Diana,
He knows I'm not after sex, I made it clear to him it would be too soon for me, so we both agreed to take it slow. But this is not slow, it's static.
I don't know what to say about the Aqua Moon. It would be better for our synastry, a late Aqua placement receives only trines and sextiles from my chart. But I think Pisces Moon fits him. He is kind hearted, even has those watery eyes Pisces Mooners have.
Lonake,
Thank you. I'm glad at least somebody understands, he clearly didn't. God, his Libra Mars is going to drive me nuts, if the Scorpio secrecy and power play don't get to me first.
I can't say I "dated" Geminis. I had crushes on them, and they on me, and a very short lived relationship (2 weeks, if I can call it a relationship) with one, but he was more Neptunian than Martian.

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Thank you Lonake. I am trying to upgrade from .

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posted September 07, 2010 03:44 AM         

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Maybe it is simply that it might be too painful to let you go, if he spends too much time with you romantically?
(I know you've already crossed that line, but the Taurus once said something about some sadness he'd felt out of nowhere, comparing it to the sadness of saying goodbye to someone. (Ouch ugh, I'm just remembering why I liked him in the first place - although that makes no sense, when it comes to the way he acted at times, which would lead to a goodbye.) I'd forgotten that, until tonight.

*edit. And from the first post, I thought you meant that he wasn't even being friendly.

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Okay, the explanation of how the fight went on, and the circumstances of which, makes me retract my response.
I don't know what he's up to.

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Izo said:

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Uh oh... I'm sorry if I didn't manage to express the situation correctly in the first post. I have Mercury square Ascendant, it is a problem for me sometimes. My apologies.
Teasel,
No, he was friendly, just like he was *before*. That's what bothered me, that he continued to treat me as a friend. I don't know what his issues are... He claims I'm trying to rush things, but I'm not, all I want is for him to be more affectionate, because his distance makes me feel awkward after what happened, like I did something wrong, or he noticed something about me that he didn't like and now he's retreating. But then... why did he spend all his day with me (he cancelled 2 appointments) and after that asked me to sleep at his place? (which, to be clear, I wouldn't have done if I didn't trust him and thought I was safe with him)

I know he is probably concerned about the distance thing. He is thinking about starting a business here and that would make him come around here more often, perhaps move here. He owns an apartment here in my country, that was rented, but he cleared it now and is planning to renovate it and live in it. So he clearly wants to stay here longer. I felt that, in a way, he connects that with our relationship, as in he is reserved about investing too much feelings because he isn't sure if he will move here. But maybe I was wrong. He also invited me to London (though this is not the first time, but he was more serious) and I'm actually considering it. I've always wanted to see it.
I, on the other hand, would prefer to make the best of what we have right now, because to be completely honest, I don't think this will work long-term. Not with the transits I'm having (Uranus squaring my DC ruler to start with), plus the relationship started under Mercury retro... So I don't intend to make plans, just to enjoy it as it is.

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posted September 07, 2010 03:45 AM         

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Izo - Like you I've never felt confused or mystified by a Scorpio in my previous romantic/sexual history. It STILL has not happened to this day.
This may well be because my first love was a Pisces (double Pisces at that). I went to hell and back with him so many times in such different ways that I really feel the experience of this has given me enough info on the male psyche to last a life time. All other men out there - seem - reasonably "normal" in comparison.

My guess is with Mr. Scorpio - when he said he wants to take it slow, he really meant *slow*. He probably does see it going long term and would like something serious with you. I've often noticed Scorpio men seldom get involved unless it is serious to them. The words "just dating" - "fling" - "just for a little while - just for fun" are, in their minds, synonymous to "flakey".
In a sense I can relate to this because of my Capricorn Moon + Mars. I don't really "date" as such and I can really go at tortoise speed when I like someone (Might also be my Taurus Ven opp Plu?).

I am almost sure - considering his astrological make up that he is interested in a relationship - a lot more than you are.
Libra is the sign of the "other" - the sign of marriage and relationships (ruling the 7th house).
If he at any point feels that this is not all that serious for you (which understandably it isn't) - he is likely to completely back out and never get close physically even if he is highly sexually attracted to you.

Personally - I'm also an Aries Sun as you know and even though my chart is "heavy" overall, I have found Scorpio Sun men to be too intense and too emotional for me in the past. Even though I really appreciate them as people and can be sexually attracted - I just can't match the emotional intensity and the life-long commitment they desire.

I do extremely well in relationships with *other* Scorpio placements.. In particular when they have Scorpio *where* I have Capricorn.. so when they have Scorpio Moon and/or Mars - that works well.
But the Sun would be best in a more easy-going sign (for me at least).

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Actually, I don't even know his place of birth. I know the country he was born in, but not the exact location.
I was thinking about your observation of his Saturn being by itself. I also noticed he has NO earth in his chart. That's interesting, I wouldn't have guessed it from his behaviour, he is pretty down to earth, realistic in his views. Will need more time to process this.

Dy-na, I will be back with a reply for you. You made a very good point. But I am on my way to visit my parents and don't have much time to write now.

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"some people who have been very hurt on an emotional level will test others in an attempt to feel safe, once others pass the test(s) then they are admitted into their realm. I've seen this among many Scorpios. Don't doubt their deep vulnerability.

I think bottom line just be honest and open, don't push just be natural and let it take its course."

I agree with Lonake.
He acted like as a friend, cause he wanted to see/know what that other night meant for you, when sth happenend and you started "dating".

He's waiting for some obvious signs from you. But not verbally, cause he knows without words what is going on inside you
So he wants you to show him what you really want from him...a relationship or just having fun and enjoy each other?

And its because I think he wants more from you than just sex, thats why he remained detached cause he saw that you were waiting for sth from him. And based on my experiences, he will remain like this until you figure out and start to show him what he really means to you.

You constantly need to be sure about your own needs and feelings if you want to survive beside a Scorpio man. I got together with my Scorpio Sun bf after being platonic friends for 2 years, so i know.

i will email you soon

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posted September 07, 2010 03:50 AM         

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Just noticed your post to me, Izo.
I have no earth in my chart, either.
You can still accomplish things but you are missing a quality.
It is hard to explain. If you want me to, I must think on it
The Saturn alone may mean something. I wonder what people think.

Anything alone has more meaning, I think.

x o Ami

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Look, I just got out of a relationship with a man that did exactly the same thing and am in therapy about it. Run, run while you still can. He is emotionally unadvailable, and he can't give you what you want...I'm sorry. I am sure the sex will be great, becuase you two will try to create a intimate bond via through sex, which makes sense...but it will be nothing but an emotional roller coaster hon. It's just the hit I got. sorry if I am way off..

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what is his sign, seeleah?

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Nine said:

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I agree with Seeleah, and Izo's original instincts. While he sounds like a very nice person he's incapable of loving you t he way you want to be loved by a man.
Women should stop making excuses for him and projecting their ideal mate onto this guy. He's unavailable. He's a scorpio for crying out loud, THE sexual predator of the zodiac yet you're the one pushing the issue.

Sorry, but you're already lost this game, and it is a game at this point.

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Scorpios also do go through some periods of abstinence.
I think when they've been on emotional overload for too long, they need to isolate themselves somewhat, and sometimes the abstinence thing accomplishes that.
I've had lots of Scorpio boyfriends, and also my dad, brother and son are scorpios.
This is just something I've been told by the men (I don't know many Scorpio women in R.L.)

Sometimes we drive ourselves nuts over trying to figure these guys out, and later on you find out it was something really simple.
I mean, they are humans too, and everybody has "off" times in life.
Best wishes.
If you invent that decoder, you will be a very rich woman, indeed!

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posted September 07, 2010 03:57 AM         

Anyways, it's been more than 3 days since our heated argument and Mr. Scorpio shows no sign of life (other than that neutral sms he sent on Saturday). He's giving me the silent treatment... I think I'm getting too old to play his Scorpio games and I think I want out.

Dy-na,
I had a huge reply for you.

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My guess is with Mr. Scorpio - when he said he wants to take it slow, he really meant *slow*.

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I've often noticed Scorpio men seldom get involved unless it is serious to them. The words "just dating" - "fling" - "just for a little while - just for fun" are, in their minds, synonymous to "flakey".

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I am almost sure - considering his astrological make up that he is interested in a relationship - a lot more than you are.
Libra is the sign of the "other" - the sign of marriage and relationships (ruling the 7th house).

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Personally - I'm also an Aries Sun as you know and even though my chart is "heavy" overall, I have found Scorpio Sun men to be too intense and too emotional for me in the past. Even though I really appreciate them as people and can be sexually attracted - I just can't match the emotional intensity and the life-long commitment they desire.

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posted September 07, 2010 04:16 AM         

I'm so happy to see you! Scorpio Sun bf??!! Oh, my, we have a lot to talk about, it seems! Can't wait for your e-mail!

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And its because I think he wants more from you than just sex, thats why he remained detached cause he saw that you were waiting for sth from him. And based on my experiences, he will remain like this until you figure out and start to show him what he really means to you.

You constantly need to be sure about your own needs and feelings if you want to survive beside a Scorpio man.

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Then we have a BIG problem. I have no idea what I want from him. My moods are constantly changing (thank you, t-Uranus square natal Moon, DC ruler)! Thing is, there are several guys who are interested in me, or me in them, and I have no clue which is the one I actually DO like. This week I fancy a Leo, next week, the Scorpio, after that God knows! I know my behaviour can be seen as shallow and fickle, and perhaps it is, but on the other hand, none of them convinced me to stick with them (in my head and heart). Scorpio is unaffectionate and most of the other guys have just gone missing after a few flirtations.
I can't give him what he wants. To be completely honest, I don't think I would have given him a chance if I had a better offer. It's a horrible thing to say, but unfortunately it's true. He's a nice company and a good friend, but he doesn't make my heart dance. Perhaps he sensed that and he decided to withhold affection, in which case I totally deserve it. In the beginning, I didn't want to get that deep into things, just wanted to have a little fun, flirt a bit and then go back to my boring sad life. However, I started to like him, and the idea of a relationship with him, only then he acted all distant and that kind of turned me off.

posted September 07, 2010 04:26 AM         

Seeleah,
I'm sorry you had such a bad experience. Was he also a Scorpio?

Nine,
Thank you for your opinion. I think you are right to some extent, I think everyone here might be right, and that he is a combination of these things. He is quite a complex and complicated guy, but right now I'm not sure that I want to decode him anymore.

Gypsee,
It's true about the abstinence thing, he confessed to that. Not sure that I want that decoder after all, because it seems I'm in way over my head.

posted September 19, 2010 05:42 PM         

Should I be worried?

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posted September 21, 2010 10:15 PM         

They are also pretty darn serious people, you know.

Don't be surprised if months from now, he pops back up, having thought things all the way through, and wants you in his life.

posted September 21, 2010 11:37 PM         

Gypsee,
I think you are right, it wouldn't surprise me, either. When I said I have this feeling of an ending, I meant like a hunch, my intuition, not related to what he said. If anything, he implied he wants things serious, but after he is settled here in my country. Ever since I've known him, he always said he wanted to move here and marry someone in my country.
I had this feeling that this was our time, to make it or break it, and that later on it might be too late. And I regret it now.

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posted September 22, 2010 03:18 AM         

Yep, letting go is hard, but sometimes its inevitable, and other times its for the best. Just listen to your intuition about him, so you would be prepared for the time he comes back