posted September 07, 2010 02:27 AM         

I'm wondering of this is linked to Uranus or Saturn in any way with the Childs parents chart.

posted September 07, 2010 02:56 AM         

his late son had autism

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posted September 07, 2010 03:33 AM         

Genetic autism is different from autism caused by brain damage in connected to vaccines.
The former is connected to high intelligence even though tend to have delays/problems in speech, and the latter is connected to low intelligence. The problem is that they confuse them and think that they are all the same and that they need to treated and cured.

Some Autistics and Aspergers have a problem with that, and so hence...The Neurodiversity Movement.

However, there are real problems with the other type of autism that the other autistics can't relate to, and it does require a biomed approach.

I consider and understand both sides of the issue.

Of course, a lot of metaphysically oriented people believe that there is a metaphysical personality type called Crystal that strongly resembled autistics when it comes to delayed speech patterns. Please note that delayed speech patterns aren't just a characteristic of autism. They are also known characteristics of dyslexia and dyspraxia, and it depends on the severity or extremeness. I had delayed speech patterns with my dyslexia and dyspraxia. I showed strong similarities with autism in early childhood.

The same problem of differentiating genetic neurodivergence with high intelligence from brain damaged conditions with lower intelligence is also problem with the other neurodivergent conditions like ADHD,Dyslexia,Dyspraxia.

In regards to genetic autistic spectrum, it is known to run in families but there are also genetic mutations that are involved too. That's clearly different from autism being caused by vaccines.

Twice Exceptional/Dual Exceptional(Gifted and Disabled) is common with the neurodivergent conditions including Autistic Spectrum,Dyspraxia,Dyslexia,ADHD
They tend to be ultrasensitive types.

any ways

I checked John Travolta's chart, and he had Mars in Sagittarius in 5th house square Venus with 32 minutes of arc. A square to 5th house planet indicate challenges involving children.

Mars is the traditional ruler of his 5th house too.

Pluto is the modern ruler of his 5th house. It is in 23'39 Leo R in 2nd trines the most otherworldly Sedna in 24'29 Aries in 10th and sextiles Neptune in 25'55 Libra in 4th.

so the transneptunian rules his 5th house and aspects the most outer transneptunian and aspects Neptune.

I've been wanting to figure out the indicators for neurodivergent conditions in charts as well as the indicators for having children with neurodivergence. A lot of times, parents with neurodivergent children will also be neurodivergent themselves.

Raymond

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posted September 07, 2010 03:56 AM         

Reason I asked is because I think Ferdi might have it.

I found out yesterday he didn't talk as a baby till the age of 3!

Also he is very sensitive about everything as well. He can't explain himself properly . When you ask him a question during an argument he doesn't answer. Also he thinks he is very intelligent when I don't see him doing anything intelligent.

He thinks he's from another world and that noone understands him. He goes to say something but can't say it. He needs to drink to blurt out one little tiny thing on his mind. He knows things that he has watched or learnt but later he can't express why he came to conclusions about certain things. By the way he was born 2 months early.

I know there is something not right with him. He can't communicate even with mercury in Gemini..

Does he sound a bit autistic?

posted September 07, 2010 04:06 AM         

Sylvester has Taurus on 5th house cusp
Venus is in 22'04 Leo in 8th
trine transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Sedna in 22'37 Aries in 4th
sextile Moon in 22'45 Libra in 10th
sextile MC/IC in 20'59 Libra/Aries
sextile Uranus in 19'10 Gemini R in 6th
candidate Orcus in 20'34 Gemini in 6th
sextile Lunar Nodes in 20'35 Gemini/Sagittarius R in 6th/12th
sextile transneptunian dwarf planet

Raymond

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posted September 07, 2010 04:14 AM         

does he have problems with nonverbal communications like problems understanding emotional/social cues like tone of voice,gesture,facial expressions?

Does he show an extreme tendency for routine and paying attention to detail?

Does he appear to have extreme physical sensitivities which would get him labeled as having sensory processing disorder?

Raymond

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posted September 07, 2010 04:40 AM         

He is very slow too. Slow to react. In fact no reaction. Sometimes he falls asleep when i'm driving him home and I deliberately slam he breaks for him to get scared LOL but ..no reaction!

He is sometimes extremely s - l - o - w

*Slow answering questions.

*Does not know what he wants.

*Can't answer questions without needing "time"

*Avoids things all the time, especially people.

*Hides things, even ridiculous things like he never told me he got charged with assualting a police officer until today which he had court.

*He obsessively keeps txt msgs and when I went to delete them all from his phone he nearly broke the door down to get to me. After 2 days of counselling he deleted 4200 txt msgs in his phone that he had kept.

*He used to have nightmares when he was younger for a very long time.

*He thinks that noone understands him and he honestly believes he isn't from this planet. (If he coul speak his feelings I think people would understand him)

posted September 07, 2010 08:50 AM         

There's nothing in his chart that really stood out to me. He even has Chiron trine Mercury. Saturn and Uranus only square his Mars (ruler of his 9th...). He has Mercury, Moon and Pluto in his 3rd.

posted September 07, 2010 12:51 PM         

amowls,

Does he have Aspergers Syndrome or High Functioning Autism? They are not the same.

If there were a history of delayed speech, then it's High Functioning autism

delayed speech actually rules out Aspergers Syndrome

but people get Aspergers Syndrome and High Functioning Autism mixed up

That's because many assume that autistics have intellectually handicaps and that Aspergers are the ones that are highly intelligent

If an autistic gets early intervention speech therapy, then they can come across similar to Aspergers like Dr. Temple Grandin

how transneptunian is his chart

I believe that transneptunians are very strong in the charts of neurodivergents

This is definitely true in my chart. I am curious about in the charts of other neurodivergents.

belgz,

Autistics aren't necessarily slow. It's an issue with sensory overload that make them hard to process information coming to them.
I have a history of similar issues.

I have some similarities in regards to slowly reaction to verbal questions, needing time because I have auditory input speech lags. I have visual lags. That's in connection to words,language. My primary thought processes are visual,picture and not verbal,word. That also is connected in my time delays in word,language processing.

I assume that he's not mentally retarded, and so it's not a slowness per se. It's probably confusion from sensory overload.

Sensory integration issues are said to be highest in people with autistic spectrum.
It's common with all the other neurodivergent conditions.

There is some argument if sensory integration issues and Dyspraxia are one and the same and if Dyspraxia should be considered part of the Autistic Spectrum.

Raymond

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posted September 07, 2010 01:00 PM         

Autism forms the core of the autism spectrum disorders. Asperger syndrome is closest to autism in signs and likely causes; unlike autism, people with Asperger syndrome have no significant delay in language development. PDD-NOS is diagnosed when the criteria are not met for a more specific disorder. Some sources also include Rett syndrome and childhood disintegrative disorder, which share several signs with autism but may have unrelated causes; other sources combine ASD with these two conditions into the pervasive developmental disorders.

The terminology of autism can be bewildering. Autism, Asperger syndrome, and PDD-NOS are sometimes called the autistic disorders instead of ASD, whereas autism itself is often called autistic disorder, childhood autism, or infantile autism. Although the older term pervasive developmental disorder and the newer term autism spectrum disorder largely or entirely overlap, the former was intended to describe a specific set of diagnostic labels, whereas the latter refers to a postulated spectrum disorder linking various conditions. ASD, in turn, is a subset of the broader autism phenotype (BAP), which describes individuals who may not have ASD but do have autistic-like traits, such as avoiding eye contact.

Symptoms

Social development
have social impairments and often lack the intuition about others that many people take for granted.
Unusual social development becomes apparent early in childhood. Autistic infants show less attention to social stimuli, smile and look at others less often, and respond less to their own name. Autistic toddlers differ more strikingly from social norms; for example, they have less eye contact and turn taking, and are more likely to communicate by manipulating another person's hand. Three- to five-year-old autistic children are less likely to exhibit social understanding, approach others spontaneously, imitate and respond to emotions, communicate nonverbally, and take turns with others. Most autistic children display moderately less attachment security than non-autistic children, although this difference disappears in children with higher mental development or less severe ASD. Older children and adults with ASD perform worse on tests of face and emotion recognition.

Communication

About a third to a half of individuals with autism do not develop enough natural speech to meet their daily communication needs. Differences in communication may be present from the first year of life, and may include delayed onset of babbling, unusual gestures, diminished responsiveness, and vocal patterns that are not synchronized with the caregiver. In the second and third years, autistic children have less frequent and less diverse babbling, consonants, words, and word combinations; their gestures are less often integrated with words. Autistic children are less likely to make requests or share experiences, and are more likely to simply repeat others' words (echolalia) or reverse pronouns. Joint attention seems to be necessary for functional speech, and deficits in joint attention seem to distinguish infants with ASD: for example, they may look at a pointing hand instead of the pointed-at object, and they consistently fail to point at objects in order to comment on or share an experience. Autistic children may have difficulty with imaginative play and with developing symbols into language.

Repetitive behavior

Autistic individuals display many forms of repetitive or restricted behavior, which the Repetitive Behavior Scale-Revised (RBS-R)[32] categorizes as follows.
Young boy asleep on a bed, facing the camera, with only the head visible and the body off-camera. On the bed behind the boy's head is a dozen or so toys carefully arranged in a line, ordered by size.
A young boy with autism, and the precise line of toys he made

* Stereotypy is repetitive movement, such as hand flapping, making sounds, head rolling, or body rocking.
* Compulsive behavior is intended and appears to follow rules, such as arranging objects in stacks or lines.
* Sameness is resistance to change; for example, insisting that the furniture not be moved or refusing to be interrupted.
* Ritualistic behavior involves an unvarying pattern of daily activities, such as an unchanging menu or a dressing ritual. This is closely associated with sameness and an independent validation has suggested combining the two factors.
* Restricted behavior is limited in focus, interest, or activity, such as preoccupation with a single television program, toy, or game.
* Self-injury includes movements that injure or can injure the person, such as eye poking, skin picking, hand biting, and head banging.

Aspergers

Social interaction

The lack of demonstrated empathy is possibly the most dysfunctional aspect of Asperger syndrome. Individuals with AS experience difficulties in basic elements of social interaction, which may include a failure to develop friendships or to seek shared enjoyments or achievements with others (for example, showing others objects of interest), a lack of social or emotional reciprocity, and impaired nonverbal behaviors in areas such as eye contact, facial expression, posture, and gesture.

Unlike those with autism, people with AS are not usually withdrawn around others; they approach others, even if awkwardly. For example, a person with AS may engage in a one-sided, long-winded speech about a favorite topic, while misunderstanding or not recognizing the listener's feelings or reactions, such as a need for privacy or haste to leave.

The cognitive ability of children with AS often allows them to articulate social norms in a laboratory context, where they may be able to show a theoretical understanding of other people's emotions; however, they typically have difficulty acting on this knowledge in fluid, real-life situations. People with AS may analyze and distill their observation of social interaction into rigid behavioral guidelines, and apply these rules in awkward ways, such as forced eye contact.

Restricted and repetitive interests and behavior

People with Asperger syndrome often display behavior, interests, and activities that are restricted and repetitive and are sometimes abnormally intense or focused. They may stick to inflexible routines, move in stereotyped and repetitive ways, or preoccupy themselves with parts of objects.

Pursuit of specific and narrow areas of interest is one of the most striking features of AS. Individuals with AS may collect volumes of detailed information on a relatively narrow topic such as weather data or star names, without necessarily having genuine understanding of the broader topic

Stereotyped and repetitive motor behaviors are a core part of the diagnosis of AS and other ASDs. They include hand movements such as flapping or twisting, and complex whole-body movements. These are typically repeated in longer bursts and look more voluntary or ritualistic than tics, which are usually faster, less rhythmical and less often symmetrical.

Speech and language

Although individuals with Asperger syndrome acquire language skills without significant general delay and their speech typically lacks significant abnormalities, language acquisition and use is often atypical. Abnormalities include verbosity, abrupt transitions, literal interpretations and miscomprehension of nuance, use of metaphor meaningful only to the speaker, auditory perception deficits, unusually pedantic, formal or idiosyncratic speech, and oddities in loudness, pitch, intonation, prosody, and rhythm.

Three aspects of communication patterns are of clinical interest: poor prosody, tangential and circumstantial speech, and marked verbosity. Although inflection and intonation may be less rigid or monotonic than in autism, people with AS often have a limited range of intonation: speech may be unusually fast, jerky or loud. Speech may convey a sense of incoherence; the conversational style often includes monologues about topics that bore the listener, fails to provide context for comments, or fails to suppress internal thoughts. Individuals with AS may fail to monitor whether the listener is interested or engaged in the conversation.

Children with AS may have an unusually sophisticated vocabulary at a young age and have been colloquially called "little professors", but have difficulty understanding figurative language and tend to use language literally. Children with AS appear to have particular weaknesses in areas of nonliteral language that include humor, irony, and teasing.
http://www.autism-society.org/

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posted September 07, 2010 01:03 PM         

Oh and I noticed that he's bad at making eye contact with people.

posted September 07, 2010 04:18 PM         

Where are his Makemake and Haumea?
Those 2 transneptunian dwarf planets are the 3rd and 4th largest dwarf planets after Eris and Pluto.

I am curious to see if those are strong in his chart

His Right Ascension (Equatorial Longitude) chart might show the transneptunians stronger in his chart.

Raymond

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posted September 08, 2010 02:14 PM         

I was even ask to start poking dots on a piece of paper.

Luckly, I have my Capircorn rising to hide behind all the time. So nobody ever figures it out unless your
doctor, know a great deal on the subject or I say so.

I think it can be difficult assesing how badly it effects the indvidual and the level there that.

I mean i've been in various Asperger groups in both colleges.

As i've graduated from college and started at another University.

All share what I've noticed.

1)One time I was speaking to another student that was AS als0 he was in Computer Science network security, I kinda saw
him like me given that unless he says something you'll never know he was suffering from AS.

we spoke and there no doubt in my mind he is a genius and he can back up what he's saying.
example, I was saying if your a hacker and you re-write your ip and mac address you should be safe.
He then went above and beyond that when we spoke.

2)Another student vary obvious, I think he was more high functiong autistic then Aspergers, you'd have to
poke him to get him to do things. More like the guy Amowls dated.

3)Another student has a slight stutter, but he came from University Of Waterloo (Waterloo is the Canadian MIT). You need high 90% average to be there, plus its a gurantee you'll either work at RIM or Microsoft if you graduate from there.

So everyone is diffrent, traditionaly I always thought everyone was the same.

amowls,

Ya, The eye contact is a dead give way.

Glaucus,

I think we've spoke about this before in another related thread

All post my chart up so you can "pick at it".

posted September 08, 2010 02:32 PM         

He didn't walk until he was 2
wan't potty trained until he was 5
Talked like he was underwater for the longest time... he sounds much better now.
Was a head taller than other kids in his class.
He's at least 6'4 now at 16 and started growing a beard at 15.
Clumsy
Needs help picking out clothes to wear or he doesn't seem to understand what to put together. Like he will pick out things that don't match or look goofy. Wears socks that go up to his knees with shorts, shirts with shorts/pants that don't match, etc.
Can't tie his shoes
Huge temper problems. He's punched holes in walls, gets so worked up he would scare me.
He used to chew on the end of his wooden bed frame. It looked like a dog got a hold of it. But it was him.. and he'd eat soap too.
He would forget to brush his teeth and use deodorant unless I was there to be sure he did it.
He would take showers and not clean himself. I realized this was the case after I noticed he would still smell like BO after showering.
He hogs out when he eats. He would get up in the middle of the night and eat a whole bag of potato chips or a whole jar of green olives...
He would crawl on the floor during class at school or play with things or talk loudly to his neighbor..
Socially he's very impaired. Poor kid has friends far and few.
And odd sexual behavior.. he tried to get a peek at me naked when he can which gives me the creeps.
Other things too but I'm not feeling well today so my noggin isn't working lol.

I'll have to get his exact birth time, but his bday is Nov 19, 1993.