posted September 07, 2010 08:10 PM         

This has been going on for 7 years now...yes the law here is very slow,infact i dont believe in the system here anymore,cause they have persecuted and condemn at least one person to 7 years of jail when they have no proofs,just a word of one adolescent that says he was molested.

These things do make me chills,and i ask myself that these things can happen to any of us,we are innocent,but if somehow we "stepped in the foot of someone powerful",then having money and power,anyone can harm us in this way.

it is my deep conviction that this person ( a well knowned tv presenter here in my country) is not guilty.

He was in preventive jail for 18 months,lost all his life goals,objectives and now only wants to proof his innocence.

neverthelless this is a mass situation: we all know that once saying the word "pedophile" most people instantaneously feel for the vitims,without even pondering if the person is infact guilty or not.

Here i see an obvious squeme to hide the true perpetrators ( the process will be put in internet by this Tv presenter) where he says that 200 names were talked to the Investigators and most of them ( politics,one prior President of Republic,Law people,from the Marines and from many other Influential Orghanisms) were instantaneously dropped out,without investigations made.

Is it me or people choose to believe in what cause them more self-indulgence?I mean,an intelligent person,educated and scientific would ask the obvious questions here but even the Journalists dont ask the right things!

These things make me feel very...disappointed,angry and feeling pitty for all the innocent that everyday are condemned,for all types of things...just cause they dont have power or someone have more power than them.

THIS IS a very controversial theme here in my Country,but in the middle of this i would love to know if this is a subject that can be studied in astrology.

For instance,are there any aspects that show a higher probability of child abuse?

Im thinking of nessus/lust-child connections perhaps?
or 5th ruler with darker asteroids/kaali/anubis/archetypes of mythology that were rapped?

I dont know what is his birth time,but here is his chart

posted September 07, 2010 08:48 PM         

thank you.

posted September 18, 2010 07:15 AM         

The person whose chart you posted is likely to be innocent. Aries Sun, Sun trine Pluto, not enough harsh Saturn and Nessus Aspects to motivate sexually abusive crime.
He does have issues, Mars sq Mercury exact is not a good personality aspect. Nessus sq NEMESIS, he might want to butcher his enemies. But not enough to indicate pedophile acts. Had Saturn sq LUST exact, my opinion would have changed because then the Pluto-Nessus square aspect will come into play, and perhaps Venus opp KAALI would also have come into play.

posted September 18, 2010 07:29 AM         

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posted September 18, 2010 08:03 AM         

that was what i was thinking:darker archetypes asteroids linking with Child asteroid.

this personīs chart that i posted is innocent really.

He was put there into the Process dut to his political choices.i found out that the real Pedophiles in this Process are politicians of my country,people linked to the Church,Navy,Military and many more people of High responsibility in my country.

hence their need to put someone like Carlos,who was a very dear public figure,to outwit the interest of the real criminals.

I know now too that our Police( main inspectors) also forged and falsified "proofs" in order to condemn these innocent people,Police that is into Drugs traffic and has interests to maintain the criminal network working.

posted September 18, 2010 11:07 AM         

My mother was a teenage runaway at 15 years old when she met my biological father in San Francisco. She was from Sacramento. He was from Louisiana. He went to Los Angeles afterwards,and then went to San Francisco.
San Francisco is my birthplace. My parents knew each other for a year before getting intimately involved with each other.

I'd check out the asteroids, Young,Atala,and Iduna.

Atala is an asteroid that means "young"

Iduna was Norse Goddess of youth. It was her apples that keep the Norse deities youthful.

I have Atala in 14'03 Virgo in 1st conjunct my Ascendant in 13'27 Virgo. Anybody that's seen me thinks that I look lot younger than my age.

I have Iduna in 17'56 Scorpio conjunct my chart ruler Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 3rd. The youthfulness of my voice is totally obvious. I sound much younger than I look. With Mercury being my Ascendant ruler, it could be an indicator for looking lot younger than my age.

I have Young in 28'55 Scorpio in 3rd just a little over the 3 degree orb that I use for a square in regards to a square to Mars in 25'54 Aquarius

I have Child in 0'40 Libra in 1st conjunct Pluto in 0'51 Libra in 1st, sextile Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd.
That also puts more emphasis on looking and sounding young.
It could also indicate the possibility of having a Plutonian-Neptunian child.

Even in the declinations:
Iduna 8'08 South
parallel Moon 8'31 South

My mother looks younger than her age.
She also was young (17 years old) when she had me.
I am attracted to women younger than me - youngest I'd actually go for is 26 years old. Julie is 10 years younger than me.

my Child is 0'45 South
so near the celestial equator

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted September 19, 2010 04:42 AM         

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There is nothing in a chart that can implicate guilt.

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posted September 19, 2010 06:00 AM         

Pheeeeeeeww!!

posted September 19, 2010 06:40 PM         

What a chart indicates is the influence of planetary energies on a person but our free will is stronger than the planets and we can choose what we want to be and how we want ourselves to be.

Amen to Free Will

posted September 19, 2010 08:02 PM         

well i know one chart doesn't prove anything but if we arrange some certain number of patterns within all the charts we find...perhaps we can find a form of study!

well the fact that the person has Free Will is incredibly important of course.

i just thought it would be interesting to see the charts of convicted criminals in order to see if the patterns appear.

Lonake

youīre right:it has do do with our behavior patterns. people who are molested have a higher probability of becoming abusers,like for example children that had alcoholic parents have higher probability of becoming one too.

that happens a lot.ive studied it once in shchool but im not remembering now "why"..perhaps the fact that there are traumas in them,they grow up feeling angry at the world and choose to cause the pain to others,the same that they had suffered all their life.

there are of course exceptions to this pattern.

letīs see the pedophile pattern,if there isone:

posted September 19, 2010 08:06 PM         

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Yeah I have late Virgo rising but I havn't been interested in younger girls thank god!

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posted September 19, 2010 08:15 PM         

-lust cj asc:kiks moon ruler of 4th!perhaps this shows something..

- lust/semmisq nessus/pluto.deep powerful uncontrollable need to abuse someone,to feel more lust?this is karmic too.receives a square from karma

- karma in 4th(relates to family matters)square asc/lust/mars. was he molested when a child?could it be that he had some karma to clear,related to family matters?

- NN cj kaali(related to death too).this kix kiron but also CHILD!so wound conected to children,trough kaali,in his path,and in the house of children!
This also sq Moon(relates to mothering and nurturing)and oposes saturn/lord of karma.

- his mars is in scorpio kikx lilith

- Nessus semisq kiron/asc and square PLuto!i guess it coundlnt be worse could it?i mean it is linked to the wounded healer,the planet of death/Rebirth and powerful sex drive/power control.

but in the middle of this i guess CHILD is the asteroid key :

-in 12th the house of our skeletons in the closet.

- squares uranus/neptune.semiqk eros.kikunkx NN and wide conjunct Lilith. and semisextiles Lust.

posted September 19, 2010 09:21 PM         

I named Diana, because she is an astrologer here who is quite fearless in such matters, though I'm not exactly sure what she'd think about this chart, or whether she'd want to reply. She was quite excelled in looking at charts of both a victim and perpetrator in a murder case. One element she added to the discussion, which was key, was that the victim and perpetrator often have markers showing the same dynamic, and this makes sense to me. A specific angle showing abuse, say Mars opposed Pluto, can just as easily be seen in the charts of either the victim or the perpetrator, they're both living out the aspect, but just in different ways, however, the dynamic remains the same

I'll see if I can spot astrologers and their take on child abuse..I somewhat remember Pholus being a factor.. I know Diana emphasizes the asteroid Karma. But she looks at *many* chart factors, not just one aspect.

I'll name off some common factors for physical abuse, emphasizing conj, sq & opp,
Sun/Pluto
Venus/Pluto
Mars/Saturn
Mars/Pluto

posted September 20, 2010 06:26 AM         

i completely understand.

In psychology is knowned that often the victim turns out to be the abuser too so...how would we look at the chart,trying to find the abuser if a victim is probably to show up in the chart too?

the 1st chart is not of an abuser,he was convicted to 7 years,but he is inocent.

it is being a case in my country that had continued for 8 years at the courts,but the real criminals are outside and were the ones that forged testimonials in order to condemn inocents,to deviate the attentions.

posted September 21, 2010 12:29 AM         

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the 2nd chart is from a guy i found as being a pedophile in astrodienst.

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