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Topic: Guess the Chart!
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dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 14, 2010 04:25 AM
 
I was looking over synastry charts with my sister and we thought it would be fun to play a round of guess the charts! We're curious to hear your thoughts on the following relationships: One was an intense connection that seemed very fated, but for some reason it never got off the ground properly. The other took off immediately- they eloped after a year of dating and have had a comfortable marriage for the last 6 years. She is on the outside of both charts and we don't have a birthtime for either gentleman.   IP: Logged |
Peri
Knowflake Posts: 1533
From: 49N35 34E34
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 14, 2010 04:40 AM
cool, I love such astro games 
that's a difficult one though, both synastries seem very karmic and potent, however for some reason I think the 1st one is the marriage synastry.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted September 14, 2010 05:08 AM
I'm going to say chart 2 is the marriage one.
My reasons are simply the grand trine with both saturn's/both nn's/pluto/moon and venus/mars square pluto. Chart rule venus squaring chart ruler pluto is good too. 7th ruler venus cj MC and the other 7th ruler mars cj vertex/NN/moon!
Looks binding. IP: Logged |
dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 04:53 PM
Ok, so 1 and 1. Anyone else?? IP: Logged |
NickiG
Knowflake Posts: 538
From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 05:14 PM
i think the second is the marriage one, the first has a lot of conjunctions, including plutos, and i find that to not be so good------------------
Theres life, death and reincarnation.
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PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 06:05 PM
I'd agree, that the 2nd synastry chart probably resulted in marriage from the saturn trines...The first synastry chart has a sun square mars aspect, which isn't good... even though the cancer + pisceas sun sign is a good mix, and there are other conjunctions there... With that said, there's probably good chemistry between the Cancer + Virgo, with the pluto conjunctions to his sun and other planets giving him more of a "scorpio" feel, which resonates with Cancer, pretty well... IP: Logged |
jane
Knowflake Posts: 1067
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posted September 15, 2010 06:07 PM
I don't know what's wrong with my brain, but synastry charts make me dizzy. If you post the natals I'd love to play. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 06:12 PM
Also, the second couple has the nice effect of his mars and venus being in cancer, along side of her cancer sun... This would give them a nice, comfortable, mutual understanding of one another...However, with her having pluto in libra square his venus in cancer... I'd be careful that she doesn't put the axe to him, if he doesn't measure up to her ideals of balance and fairness... thankfully, his venus is in the 9th house, which tends to favor a higher minded kind of love... (wonder if she tends to "disbelieve" her relationship, and worries that he might be untrue, which could put a strain on the relationship... seems like he's not cheating type though!!!) The first guy's venus is in aries, and opposes her libra pluto, which really adds to chemistry, but I think these people probably ended before they really got started. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 1111
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 06:15 PM
The 1st one is the fated one.IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 06:34 PM
Also, the 1st has a saturn opposite venus aspect which would suggest difficulty "getting off the ground" emotionally, too...So, yeah, I'm sticking with my answer... 1st one fascination, but unable to last.
2nd one lasted in marriage. IP: Logged |
amowls*
Knowflake Posts: 1534
From: richmond va
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 07:26 PM
I need composite charts.IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
Knowflake Posts: 121
From: Betty Boop Land
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 09:13 PM
First - Intense Connection.Second - Marriage. Basically - I think it would be very difficult to maintain a serious relationship for 6 years - with the Saturn/Pluto opposite Venus, the Sun square Mars and the Sun square Neptune.
I can't see it - but if they made it work - props to them! :edit: Also - no.1 is a Pisces with Pisces Moon so his ruler is Neptune. In natal he already has this square. Her Neptune is simply emphasising it (This is generational so it goes for other people born with a similar Neptune placement).
I think this guy has never been married and will never get married, purely based on this aspect he has.
Actually the Venus/Mars in Aries are not all that keen on marriage either. The second guy is much more reliable and likely to make a much better partner long term. I think she feels she can really trust him. I just had a look at composites - I'm still going with Mr. Virgo for "marriage material". :edit: IP: Logged |
dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 09:14 PM
Ok here are the natals:Her:
 Mystery Man 1:
 Mystery Man 2:
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dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 09:16 PM
Composites:   IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 10:00 PM
I'm going to say that these composites are off, because the lack of true birth times...Composite charts NEED accurate birth times... even the synastry is much better when put into appropriate housing... I'm sticking by original statements, just because of lack of solid times which is the backbone of good analysis for composites! IP: Logged |
dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 10:07 PM
Wouldn't the only thing affected by a lack of birth-time be the houses and angles? Obviously having the times would be ideal but it's still possible to get a good idea of the chart, isn't it? IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
Knowflake Posts: 121
From: Betty Boop Land
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 10:09 PM
Dino - IMO -
Unless the Pisces guy's ascendant is a new sign we haven't yet discovered, soon to be named - "Wedlock" - he is never getting married. If he does - it won't last 6 years.- He lacks earth.
- He has Sun/Moon in Pisces (This itself would show a commitment phobe)
- He has the dispositor - Neptune in Sagittarius (Another hugely commitment phobic sign)
- Neptune is square his Sun/Moon (which on it own could suggest an inability to commit)
- He has Venus and Mars in Aries - quick to the gun, but not always good with staying power. Put it all together - you get: zero commitment. Virgo guy on the other hand... - Has an earth stellium
- has Venus/Mars conjunct in Cancer so he desires to have a wife and children.
- His Sun is in aspect to Saturn - It is a harsh aspect but still shows ability to stay the distance. IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 10:15 PM
Dino,When you say that the only thing it affects is the housing and angles... that's like the guts of a good composite reading... A composite moon in 6th house is much different than a composite 7th house moon! A composite venus in 9th is COMPLETELY different than a composite venus in 8th, on and on... And, the angles will be off, too... not by much with the slower moving planets, but with mercury, venus, moon, and even some mars... and their placements to the slower moving ones will be off... that could totally throw off a good analysis... IP: Logged |
dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 15, 2010 10:43 PM
Ok, ok, I understand!Ugh it's so frustrating that birth times can be so hard to come by! IP: Logged |
PlutoSquared
Knowflake Posts: 332
From: Colorado Springs, Colorado, USA
Registered: Aug 2010
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posted September 15, 2010 10:53 PM
Birthtimes are a pain in the butt... my birthchart is 1:31 pm, like my birth certificate says, but my mother says 1:26 pm. Not that much time, frustrating.I have honestly looked at both charts, just to adjust to the slight difference, and I've just settled on the 1:31 because it looks the most accurate. IP: Logged |
raspberri
Knowflake Posts: 1111
From: venus
Registered: Jan 2010
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posted September 16, 2010 02:44 PM
The first composite is the married couple.IP: Logged |
jane
Knowflake Posts: 1067
From:
Registered: Jul 2009
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posted September 17, 2010 02:00 AM
dino -
Thanks for posting the natals. I say she married the 2nd guy. A few observations... ~Venus-Jupiter square in synastry could indicate the quick start. Lots of enthusiastic love energy. ~He puts his natal Venus-Mars conjunction on her MC. Significant enough, but even more so bc she has an Aries Dsc. She likes that Venus-Mars energy in a man, & can easily sense his since he puts it on her angle. Plus, her natal Pluto-Saturn cnj squares his Venus-Mars cnj. That would have him expressing his Venus-Mars in an intense & devoted way towards her. I'd be really surprised if this was the relationship that didn't take off! ~Venus-Juno square. Love & commitment energy amped up. ~Besides some wide cnj's, the Comp has an unaspected Sun in Taurus. Unaspected Sun could fit for either scenario.
1. Relationship can't find its identity so never gets off the ground.
2. Taurus energy is pure and pronounced, so couple eager to commit. In my own experience, unaspected planets in comps get exaggerated. The couple feels that energy strongly. They have an insatiable hunger to keep expressing it tangibly. It's like no matter how much they live it, they can't get the expression to match how strongly they feel inside. So to me, it makes more sense that this worked in a way that produced marriage. The Venus-NN cnj further supports that direction. Plus Comp Venus is exactly cnj her natal NN! (His n Moon may be cnj as well.) IP: Logged |
dinobleue
Knowflake Posts: 135
From: Arizona, USA
Registered: May 2009
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posted September 23, 2010 04:53 AM
Thanks for all the input- very interesting! Ok, so the second synastry chart/first composite is the marriage. Well done everyone! IP: Logged |
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