posted September 15, 2010 11:59 PM         

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Lonake,

Would you share the aspects so I can check them out? Also, would you say what effect is like?

I have pluto opposite sun, which has pretty much crippled my bravery... every time I feel like I'm full energy, full spirited and shining, some dark plutonian energy/person comes along and knocks me down into the abyss...

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PlutoSq,

It's Moon & Venus sq Pluto, then Mars and Saturn conj Pluto, then Pluto opp Mc, then Pluto sq the nodal axis.

It's like no matter how light i try to be about things there's always something lurking in the background telling me how things really are, but it's a manipulative voice sometimes (like a voice from my past). One thing with Moon Pluto is you have a brief memory from your childhood but for some reason you mostly only remember the rotten things, and they keep coming back and no matter how hard I try I just can't silence em. Honestly I lived with my mom for 12 yrs and I never remember having a real convo with her, my memory of my childhood is :blank:, no kidding. It's still that way, I'm wired somehow to remember the negatives.

Thanks for adding about Pluto opp Sun, cos my baby has that (exact orb) and I'm wondering about it..I dated one man who had it, and the tale of his father is pretty much a horror story..

I feel like Sun/Pluto has the father in this case acting as the Plutonian, and Pluto can abuse, manipulate, do an ego-trip, abandon, but there's a darkness there. So the natal has this memory of the father who was supposed to be shining a light into the world instead exposing darkness.
You're right about the tendency of meeting the opposition out there in the world, through another.
I wanna say that with Sun opp Pluto it's seemed that the natives want things so badly that other people want to step in their way cos they sense the obsessive aim of these people to self-actualize (the sun) and they would like for some reason to tone their energy down. it's like they can't stand that sun opp pluto would want something so badly. But sun pluto wants it so badly cos it's afraid that they wont get it. Do you see what i mean, its almost as if, if they were more leisurely about it then they wouldnt encounter so many obstacles, but it's so hard to *not* be that way.

You know what, I think, I mean im being honest, I honestly believe that us with these harsh Pluto aspects that other people can smell it on us. They can smell somehow what we lived and we re-enact our Plutonian drama on some level and that attracts it back to us. The same damn stuff we'd love to just banish. I'm serious, i've been thinking about this. I think other people can smell that we've been raped or abused or abandoned etc cos we are still playing the role of the victim and not looking our fear straight in the eye. Pluto can be such a scary place.

I want to say more on Sun opposed Pluto as it was insightful from a source I read, but now I can't remember..If I think of it I'll add it.

I think it's funny, but not really, cos I have as basically the tightest aspect in my chart as Moon sq Pluto, then my daughter's tightest is Sun opp Pluto, then I also have Sun sq Uranus, and she has Moon conj Uranus. It's like a Sun Moon conj DW.

posted September 16, 2010 11:40 PM         

x o x Ami

posted September 16, 2010 11:45 PM         

WOW. I've NEVER seen it this way:

"I wanna say that with Sun opp Pluto it's seemed that the natives want things so badly that other people want to step in their way cos they sense the obsessive aim of these people to self-actualize (the sun) and they would like for some reason to tone their energy down. it's like they can't stand that sun opp pluto would want something so badly. But sun pluto wants it so badly cos it's afraid that they wont get it. Do you see what i mean, its almost as if, if they were more leisurely about it then they wouldnt encounter so many obstacles, but it's so hard to *not* be that way."

posted September 17, 2010 05:42 AM         

I think Sun/Pluto wants to experience life intensely, no matter the aspect.
And with Pluto, when it gets what it obsesses over, then it's fed. But on the other hand, there's the question of how much is enough to feel full?? Because with Pluto sometimes it feels like no matter how much we get, we still want more; it's that obsessive urge that nothing is ever *enough* and this is a feeling that only a spiritual discipline, I'm telling you, of some sort can handle. There are just some things that humans acting alone cannot make right, and getting Pluto *right* sometimes is one of them.

The key with this seems be to just go after what you want with where Pluto touches and just go at it with everything you've got, and then step back and be *thankful* for what you achieved and then acknowledge that this is a part of your life that may always (in some form or another) feel a bit naked, a bit unsure, and maybe still has some of that same fear. The hard thing with Pluto is it doesn't hide anything from you. So you really can't consciously think that where Pluto touches is ever going to feel completely secure and safe all on its own. Knowing the true nature of things means always being a lil bit sad, feeling a lil scared, maybe a lil angry, etc. If you were living life in a vacuum then you'd be granted all that lovely dumb serenity.
Then what you do with all the leftovers is up to you.

My Moon/Pluto:
I lost so many of my family members growing up, had to stay home from grade school to take care of my dying mom, traveled to another state alone while in high school to take care of her dying mom (alone), and by the time I was 21 virtually everyone was gone, so that's part of my Pluto wound, and I had the obsession which was I wanted my family back so badly and I could hardly stand it, and it wasn't even the fact that I got along swimmingly with them all, it's the fact that 1 by 1 the ones who were most significant just *died*. I'm talking real obsession. And then I realized I could make my own family (instead of just wishing sometimes that I would die just so I could be with them). And having my family is what I went after with everything I had, no matter how hard or how scary it was I knew I wanted it more than *anything*. Can you smell Pluto? So, of course there's still loss there because I know reality is that the ones that are close can be taken so suddenly (my grandparents were closer to me than my parents, common for moon/pluto, and they died as well when I was young) but then there's also a lot of depth and beauty to the relationship I have with my family. I'm honest with my daughter about death, she already knows, I hardly care if others think she's too young to know, but I do have a bond now that is so deep and so meaningful, which after all that death means everything to me.

posted September 17, 2010 05:54 PM         

This part was very insightful:

"One way to bypass the opposition seems to be to take on the role that is being acted out by others, so the prescription is for *you* to take on Pluto, vs. other people playing negative Pluto to your Sun. It's very empowering if you've tried it, I really suggest it. It can be scary in the beginning cos you become aware of all the energy inside, but if you can get it under control it can really work for you."

I have been in situations where I've definitely turned that pluto energy on the negative pluto people trying to encroach on my life...

posted September 18, 2010 08:08 PM         

You also must remember that Pluto is a generational aspect, so everyone in the same age group also makes that aspect to the personal planets. Could be an explanation as to why people are playing the pluto person in our lives.

posted September 18, 2010 11:28 PM         

PlutoSq

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I think I am finally making my peace with playing that "pluto" role.

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((Maire))

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not about wanting or desiring something, it's needing it. Badly.

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