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Lonake
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posted September 19, 2010 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just came across an article proposing that planets conj our East Point can be almost as important as those conj our Asc. This is in line with Stephen Arroyo mentioning in Astrology, Karma & Transformation, that planets in our H5, in trine with the Asc, have the same influence.

The Anti-Vertex as well is stated as to be akin to East Point, though possibly not as strong (?) but also serving as auxiliary Asc.

So for this purpose,
looking at your
East Point, Anti-Vertex, and planets trine your Asc from H5

Which would you say has the most influence out of these extra points?

Don't forget planets/lights conj your East Point as well as Anti-Vertex.
And factor in if you want anything conj your Vertex and West Point (directly opposite) as being auxiliary Dsc as well.

I'll start with mine,
East Point 22° Cancer, H12, conj NN
it does point to what some people have stated regarding how I come across, to where I would honestly wonder if my Leo asc wasn't really Cancer, instead.

West Point 22° Capricorn, H6, conj Venus
gets a lil too Venus-y so it's difficult to differentiate there..

Anti-Vertex 7° Gemini, H11
seems to re-iterate my natal Merc conj Dsc

Vertex 7° Sagittarius, H5, conj Uranus
makes sense, it just re-iterates the fact that my natal Dsc is ruled by Uranus.

Planet trine Asc from H5, Uranus
this I definitely see as an auxiliary Asc, and I think Arroyo really had something with that, tho I can't be sure, since Uranus also squares my Sun, and they're both angle rulers in my chart.

So I want to say that I sense East Point, and H5 planet trine Asc the most..but with my chart there are too many correspondences to where I can't be sure.

What about you?

For reference, here's the article that surfaced, if you find more, or any books, add em too,

Maritha Pottenger, Astrologer

quote:
INTERPRETATION Both the East Point and Antivertex can be interpreted as auxiliary Ascendants. That is, they function as additional keys to one’s basic identity, action, energy, drive and self-expression.

They do not seem to be AS important as the actual Ascendant, but do offer useful clues to major themes in the nature of the individual. Either angle requires more attention when a planet falls closely conjunct it. This is almost as significant as having that planet conjunct the Ascendant. The planet(s) involved denote major, keynote principles of that individual’s sense of self, identity, assertion and being in the world.

HOUSE PLACEMENT

We begin with house placement because it is the most limited and simplest to cover. Since it IS limited, it is NOT the most important factor, but a part of the picture. (Aspects are the most important factor, in my experience.) Generally, house placement suggests very mild themes. Pay attention when a theme or issue is repeated by other configurations in the chart. Always, what is most important in the nature and horoscope will be repeated—said over and over again.

When the East Point or Antivertex falls in the twelfth house, there is a slightly Neptunian flavor to the identity, assertion, basic self-expression. This can manifest as idealism, high expectations, grace in action, escapism, or a number of variants. Extremes include, “I am perfect and can do as I please.” versus “I SHOULD be perfect and if I am not, then I am nothing.” God and the infinite are a role model for self.

An eleventh house placement suggests Uranian overtones to the identity. There is a hint of the rebel, the revolutionary. Personal freedom is more emphasized. Unique self-expression is more significant. This can be original, innovative, creative or chaotic, unpredictable, destructive. Friends and open-minded activities, associations are role models for the individual.

Placements in the first house add a little emphasis to the “I am what I am” theme. There is a little more directness, forthrightness in personal self-expression. Freedom needs are slightly more intense. Whoever the person is, the identity is in a bit more “pure” form, more readily apparent.

Second house placements tie the theme of pleasure from the material world to the self-expression. This can range from pure self-appreciation (“I like myself.”) to hedonism, potential over-indulgence in food, drink, possessions, collecting or spending money, etc.

THE WEST SIDE STORY

If the East Point and Antivertex operate as auxiliary Ascendants, then logically the West Point (opposite the East Point) and the Vertex (opposite the Antivertex) operate as auxiliary Descendants. Again, they are not usually as important as the actual Descendant, but do imply themes. If repeated elsewhere in the chart, the themes are significant.

The Descendant, Vertex and West Point are all keys to our close, committed relationships. They symbolize the feelings and experiences we seek through close others (spouses, live-in partners, therapists, etc). Often, they operate as points of projection, that is, these angles can point to qualities we tend to meet first through other people; attributes of ourselves we may learn to face through seeing someone else express the energy. The danger with projection is overdoing. If one person in a relationship is “doing it for” someone else, the first person is likely to do TOO MUCH of whatever the quality is.

So, each angle axis—Ascendant/Descendant; East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex relates to that basic self/other polarity. Each gives us clues about balancing self-will and independent action with sharing and committing to others. Generally, it is easiest to personally identify with the eastern end of each axis. It is easiest to disown and see as “out there” (in other people) the western end.

This potential of “giving away” a part of who we are and unconsciously attracting other people to manifest that missing side contributes to what has been called the “fated” quality of the Vertex. Where other people are involved, we have less control and less power than where we are concerned only with our actions and attitudes as an individual. People who externalize responsibility for their own lives call such interactions “fated.” I prefer to operate within the world view that life is a mirror; we attract people we can learn from. Everyone in our lives is teaching us about a part of our own nature and potentials.

Both axes then (East Point/West Point and Antivertex/Vertex) point to a basic self/other polarity in the life that must be faced. In any opposition, the goal is integration. There is a natural complementarity. Both ends need each other to be fully effective. There are two major dangers with any opposition (polarity) in the horoscope. One danger is swinging from one extreme to the other. It is not uncommon for people to overdo one end of a polarity, then—in reaction—go to the opposite extreme. Some people spend their lives flip-flopping from one end of the seesaw to the other. The second danger is projection. In that case, the individual identifies with one end of the polarity and denies its opposite. So, unconsciously, that individual attracts other people who are expressing that opposite quality. The problem is, they are usually carrying it to an extreme. So, when we see exaggerated behavior, it is a good idea to look into our own psyches at what we may be denying.

Each opposition brings a set of themes connected to that polarity. So, East Point/ West Point or Antivertex/Vertex across the first and seventh houses is the basic self versus other polarity. This can be the pull between self-assertion and doing what one wants versus pleasing and accommodating to others. It can be the dilemma of freedom (personal independence) versus closeness (a committed love relationship). We can alternate between extremes or overdo one end, or pick someone (unconsciously) who will overdo for us.

Placing these angles across the second and eighth houses puts the focus on the issue of handling the physical, sensual world comfortably with others. We may be internally torn between self-indulgence (whether around food, sex, money, smoking, drinking, etc.) versus control of the appetites. We can externalize the conflict by identifying with one end and unconsciously selecting a partner to play out the opposite end of the seesaw. Then we spend our time fighting about spending versus saving or sex or other forms of giving, receiving and sharing the physical pleasure world. The goal is to be comfortable within ourselves in our handling of physical possessions and pleasures and also to be able to receive from others; give to others and share equally with others in an intimate context.

Where these angle axes fall across the fifth and eleventh houses, we are again dealing with freedom versus closeness issues. A part of us wants to be independent, off doing our own thing, unique, not following anyone else’s rules. Another side of who we are wants to love and be loved; to be special; to be admired and looked up to in an intense, emotional relationship. One side of our being emphasizes the intellect, the detached, objective mind; another side values the heart, feelings and emotional responses from others. We may externalize the conflict by feeling torn between friends and lovers or children. Or, we can identify with either end and attract the opposite from others in our lives, or flip-flop from one side to the other until we learn to have some of both in our lives.

The opposition across the sixth and twelfth houses by these angles points to a need to truly blend our dreams with reality. We are learning to be both idealistic and realistic. If not handled, we may swing from rose-colored glasses, gullibility and disillusionment or escapism to hard-nosed insistence on doing everything exactly by the book. Or, we can identify with one end, and attract significant others who overdo the opposite side. Our work arena (and our health) are often areas where we are learning to take the small, reasonable steps to reach our visionary goals. If we do not integrate this polarity, we may job hop, each time looking for a more ideal situation, or suffer from ill health because we are not doing that incredible, wonderful visionary work which we feel we OUGHT to be doing. It is all well and good to have a “calling.” We must just be able to ground our visions in the physical world, to do what is necessary to turn them into an actuality.

Remember, anything in the chart which is important will appear in the form of a repeated message. Major issues and themes are highlighted in a number of different ways. These two angle axes can suggest potential areas of analysis, but we need to look for confirmation in the rest of the chart to be sure the focus we choose is truly of major import.


If you're unsure of the East Point in your chart, download the free Astrolog program, by Pullen, here .

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Peri
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posted September 19, 2010 07:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
East Point 11°38' Aqua in the 1st conj asteroid Lilith (together with mean BML parallel my Sun and true BML conjunct Sun )

West Point 11°38' Leo conj Saturn in the 7th (I already have Saturn in the 7th, that's enough!)

Anti-Vertex 24°42' Aqua in the 1st trine NN sextile SN

Vertex 24°42' Leo in the 7th conjunct asteroid Imperatrix

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teasel
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posted September 19, 2010 07:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think my East point was also in Scorpio.. I found that out with Clairvision's program, years ago. I'll have to check it again.

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