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DD
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posted October 12, 2010 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Fascinated by these three charts for synastry comparision.

Draco - Draco: past life interaction
tropical - tropical: present manifestation
Helio-helio: Higher Selves / spiritual connection


It`s interesting to see different emphasis in the different comparisions.

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posted October 12, 2010 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, DD
I missed you these past few days

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posted October 12, 2010 10:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyAries*     Edit/Delete Message
I'm really fascinated by Draconic.

I did a Draconic comparison of my family, which I found something very interesting..

My mother and father have a venus and saturn square.

My sister and her husband have a venus and saturn conjunction.

My brother and his wife have a venus and saturn square.

My partner and I have a Venus and Saturn opposition.

(all orbs within 5 degrees)

My parents' and siblings' relationships seem very destined and karmic, as does mine. I know Saturn is karma and binds and glues. I just thought that it was interesting that we all shared that aspect with our partners.

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posted October 12, 2010 03:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tangerine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi LadyAries,
have you been comparing draconic charts to draconic charts or natals?

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posted October 12, 2010 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LadyAries*     Edit/Delete Message
Tangerine,
I compared Draconic to Draconic.
Is there a better or easier way to compare?

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Lara
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posted October 12, 2010 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Helio trop or sidereal, DD?

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DD
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posted October 13, 2010 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I am on holiday, Ami.


Draco - Draco comparision for accessing of past lives; Draco-tropical would show you what from your past lives is affecting your present life.


Lara,

helio tropical.


I was thinking about what helio means, and had that idea that this could be what we are "meant" to be from a higher Selves-perspective, when you have stripped all of the little ego-struggles. That what is the glowing core of an interaction, spirit to spriit.

What do oppositions and squares mean in helio then, I heard a little voice in my head?
I was thinking that since the helio is dependent on our tropical natal chart, it reveals the spiritual possibility of the present incarnation. And maybe the challenging aspects indicate, what kind of connection there is (looking at the planets aspecting), but that there are some bumps in the road to really get to a pure (selfless) expression of these.

example:
Helio eros square Helio Psyche
Probably this still is a soulmate-aspect, but it shows that something in that present incarnation poses an obstacle to fully and easily express it. Almost like it is just a bit more challenging to feel and express than the harmonious aspects, and you need some more awareness to get there.

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posted October 13, 2010 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
hey DD you got me interested in helio astrology now.

As for Draconic charts they make so much sense, they fascinate me, however I don't see them as past life heritage, in my opinion, past life would actually be placements opposite to Draconic chart because it is based on NN not SN, I rather see it as a layer of 'soul fabric' (Kim Falconer) which makes a lot of sense to me.

So I think it makes sense to compare all the 3 Geo/Draco/Helio.

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posted October 13, 2010 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
By Maddalena Cecchinato

The Heliocentric Idea

What is heliocentric astrology? To put it simply: it is an astrology which uses a map (the astrological chart) in much the same way as traditional (geocentric) astrology. This map contains the positions of the planets within the reference frame of the twelve signs of the zodiac.
The difference with traditional astrology lies in the map's viewpoint: heliocentric derives from the greek word helios, which means sun, so the heliocentric map has the Sun instead of the Earth at the centre.

"But we don't live on the Sun!"... This is the first common objection to the idea of a Sun centred astrology.

The second objection is related to the 'loss' of the Sun in the chart and its symbolical meanings. There is also the question about the meaning of the Earth, since the Earth appears in the chart instead of the Sun.

A third objection is related to the inevitable loss of certain points of reference which we are so accustomed to in astrology that it makes us dizzy at first. These points of reference are of course the angles of the geocentric chart: the ascendant and the midheaven, with their counterparts the descendant and the imum coeli.
Giving up these points appears also to imply the loss of the 'house wheel', which gives so much meaning to any chart interpretation and forecasting.

Let's attempt to address each of these issues one at a time.

The horrified exclamation "we don't live on the Sun" usually implies something more profound than the self-evident factual statement. What astrologers really mean by this is that the planets (including the Sun) have an influence on us due to their position in the sky as seen from Earth.
However, if we take a broader look at the matter, we soon realize that changing a perspective does not change the real position of the planets, just as taking a photograph of an apple from one angle instead of another does not change the essence of the apple.
The change of perspective however does change the chart in many ways. Not only does the Earth appear instead of the Sun, the whole structure changes significantly with different angles forming between planets and often even totally different sign placements, especially in the case of Mercury and Venus.

Here we come to the core of the matter. What does the heliocentric chart, with all its differences compared to the geocentric one, actually mean and why should we use it? Answering this question is addressing the objection about the loss of the Sun in the chart.
In astrology, the Sun ultimately signifies the spirit. In traditional, geocentric charts, this spirit is qualified by sign placement, house placement and aspects. The philosophy behind heliocentric astrology is that the Spirit is undivided and cannot be reduced by the above mentioned qualifications. The Sun as Spirit is. The Sun as Life is. There can be no more qualifiers to the very essence of being.
What qualifies the particular existence of the individual is the structure of the Sun centred chart, where each planet signifies particular levels of existence.

The most evident level of existence is the material level, represented by the planet Earth. With a traditional, geocentric chart, the viewer (astrologer) identifies with the physical environment of the individual concerned. The astrologer will see, through the chart, the planets including the Sun-Spirit. With the heliocentric chart, the astrologer becomes one with the essential Spirit of the individual and, through the Spirit-Sun's perspective, will be viewing the various planes of existence of the individual, including the material, bodily environment represented by the Earth.

The third issue traditional astrologers have with heliocentric charts is the lack of cardinal directions: there is no east or west, no north or south. So where should we be looking when using a heliocentric chart?
The answer to this is easy and difficult at the same time: as there is no special focal point (such as the ascendant we find in geocentric charts), the astrologer is obliged to take an holistic view of the chart, which is the ultimate goal for an astrologer anyway. The lack of points of reference, initially very difficult, turns around as a great benefit in chart interpretation.
Apparently gone with the horizon and cardinal directions is also the wheel of houses, which begins with the ascendant in geocentric astrology. However, nothing is further from the truth, as it is absolutely possible to use houses in heliocentric astrology. For more on this, please see Aspects and Houses in the Astrology section.

Given this different perspective, heliocentric astrology is a very exciting new field to explore. Delineations and forecasting are very compelling, so much so that once you really get into heliocentric astrology you simply cannot leave it.
http://www.heliocentric-astrology.com/The_Heliocentric_Idea.html

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posted October 13, 2010 12:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
How to Interpret Draconic Charts

The Draconic zodiac is a wonderful tool for illuminating the kinds of experiences you will encounter on your life path. A planet’s Draconic position represents that planet’s role in expressing your soul’s chosen purpose. Mixing the two zodiacs and noting their interaction best shows how that purpose is likely to manifest in this lifetime. In other words, the kind of events and people you draw into your life to learn your soul’s lessons can be found by comparing your Draconic planetary positions to the Tropical planetary positions in your natal chart.

To illustrate, if your Draconic Saturn is conjunct your Tropical Moon, it would suggest that your spiritual need to experience the matters of Saturn in your life (structure, responsibility, limitation, grief, etc.) would manifest through the matters of the Moon (family, the mother, women in general, or feelings). And conversely, if your Draconic Moon is conjunct your Tropical Saturn, it indicates that matters of the Moon are influenced by Saturn in your life, implying that they may be blocked, limited in some way, or even missing altogether. In both examples, whatever manifests is the life condition your soul has chosen as the best way for you to learn your spiritual lessons.

Draconic planets also work another way. If you are not consciously striving to align your life with your soul’s purpose, choosing to ignore it instead, then the Draconic positions often represent your "shadow," which is your unconscious self which you experience through your interactions with others. For instance, having Draconic Mars conjunct your Ascendant suggests that spiritually you have chosen to learn the lesson of assertiveness. However, if you fail to express Mars in a consciously assertive way, you will very likely experience everyone else’s Mars powerfully directed at you. You might even find that Tropical Mars rises in the charts of most of your significant others. Although that may make life seem a little unfair, it’s actually a pretty ingenious process. Sooner or later you will be forced to "own" your own Mars rising (Draconic) to keep everyone you meet from running roughshod over you. It’ll be just a matter of time before you finally stand up for yourself, even if it takes a lifetime or two.

The usual method of examining Draconic positions is to place them outside your natal Tropical chart. The aspects between the two zodiacs seems to take precedence over the signs in which the Draconic planets are found. However, the sign of your Draconic Sun will be very noticeable in your personality. In fact, that sign may be the one people most often guess to be your Sun sign. Angularity is also important in evaluating Draconic positions, for Draconic planets falling near the Ascendant, Midheaven, Descendant, or I.C. will be high focus in your life. In addition, Tropical planets found near your Draconic angles are also highlighted.

In addition to using Draconic positions to interpret individual natal charts, using them in chart comparisons can also be very illuminating. It can show a strong spiritual connection keeping two people together who you might not otherwise think were a good astrological match. Also, as was the case for the Mars rising example above, the Draconic/Tropical combinations in an individual’s chart are often found among the dominant Tropical aspects in the charts of their close friends and relatives. As for transits, Tropical transits to natal Draconic positions are often very descriptive of what’s happening when aspects to the Tropical positions don’t seem to describe an event. In addition, Draconic transits can be used in aspect to Tropical or Draconic positions and often tell the tale when nothing else works. Other astrological techniques, e.g., progressions, directions, solar returns, or composites, are greatly enhanced by adding Draconic placements.

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Lara
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posted October 13, 2010 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Hey!
Happy Holiday DD
Thanks for responding... and yes, i'm intrigued as to where you are going with your thread. I think i'm going to look at common aspects between all three charts and report back!

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posted October 13, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Have a wonderful time . I am getting along without you

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posted October 13, 2010 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message

Could someone please explain to me again the concept of sidereal charts.


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posted October 13, 2010 04:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
The difference between sidereal and tropical astrology is in the opinion whether the system as defined by Ptolemy in the 2nd century should be fixed to the seasons, i.e. the orientation of the Earth relative to the solar system, or to the background stars, i.e. the orientation of the Earth relative to the galaxy. Tropical astrology chooses the former, sidereal astrology the latter option. Both systems coincide for times close to the historical definition of the Zodiac, i.e. Classical Antiquity

The classical zodiac of Greek astronomy as defined by Ptolemy is tropical in nature, defining the signs relative to vernal equinox regardless of the position of constellations. Western astrology traditionally uses this system.

Sidereal astrology ties its signs of the zodiac to the actual constellations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_astrologyP

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posted October 13, 2010 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vesta     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Peri,

I did a little search of my own and found this in my software program that seemed to help as well.

Cyril Fagan studied Egyptian hieroglyphics, ancient manuscripts, ancient history, and astronomy and concluded from his research that many of the techniques currently used in astrology are rooted in ancient astrology, but also have deviated throughout the years from the original approach. Furthermore, Fagan believed that many of the techniques in their original form are more accurate than the modern version of these techniques. Fagan's book Astrological Origins gives an excellent description of his research.

One of Fagan's conclusions from his research is that the sidereal zodiac is more useful than the tropical zodiac. Many other astrologers were impressed with Fagan's work and they developed a style of chart interpretation based on the sidereal zodiac and these astrologers tend to use technically advanced methods that rely on a more thorough knowledge of astronomy than is common with traditional astrology. The approach to astrology that they developed is known as sidereal astrology. There are many differences between traditional and sidereal astrology but perhaps the most conspicuous is the siderealists use of the sidereal zodiac rather than the traditional zodiac, which is known in astronomy as a tropical zodiac. To explain the difference between these two zodiacs requires some astronomical background. Here is the explanation:

First of all, let's clear away some confusion about zodiac signs. Probably you have often heard people say things like "He is an Aries" or "She is a Taurus" because they were born on a certain calendar date. The statement "He is an Aries" is an abbreviated way of saying "The Sun was in the 30 degree section of the sky that was the tropical zodiac sign of Aries when he was born". A zodiac sign is a section of the sky. There are 360 degrees in a circle and there are 12 zodiac signs each of precisely 30 degrees. To repeat: a zodiac sign is a 30 degree "slice" of the sky. Every planet, in fact every object whether it be a planet, star, comet, or even an airplane, is in a zodiac sign because the entire sky is divided into 12 zodiac signs. The zodiac sign of the Sun is the only one that can be known by knowing only a calendar date without the year of birth, so it is a convenient one to discuss because it requires no advanced calculations by a computer or look-up in a book of tables of planetary positions; you can usually determine it from knowing only the month and day of birth.

If you look out at the night sky and are able to locate several planets and the Moon and you were to draw an imaginary line connecting these planets, they would all exist approximately in a straight line. All of the planets, the Sun, and the Moon are always in a circle and this circle is called the ecliptic plane in astronomy. Actually, the planets do deviate slightly from this plane but in astrology this deviation is ignored. The deviation, incidentally, is called the latitude of the planet, and the point on the circle where the planet exists is known as its longitude. But a circle has no beginning and no end, so astronomers (and astrologers) must have a specified beginning point on the circle that is agreed upon so that we can understand each other when we discuss the position of the planet in the sky. Astronomers have several different ways of describing where the planets are, and one of them is known as the tropical longitude of the planet and this is the one used by most astrologers. Tropical longitude is determined as follows: each of the 4 seasons begins at a specific moment in time. In winter the Sun is lower in the sky. On the first day of winter the Sun reaches its lowest point, and then it gradually gets higher and higher until the first day of summer when it reaches the highest point. If you go outside at midday on the first day of winter, the Sun will be much lower in the sky than it will be at midday on the first day of summer, and every day in between these 2 extremes the Sun will be somewhere in between. Astronomers can calculate the exact moment when the Sun has begun to change its direction and this precise time can occur at any time of the day, not necessarily at midday. The position of the Sun at the exact moment when it reaches its lowest point is the beginning of the tropical zodiac sign Capricorn. The position of the Sun when Spring begins is the beginning of Aries, the position when summer begins is the beginning of Cancer and the position of the Sun when autumn begins is the beginning of Libra. Each of the 12 zodiac signs is precisely 30 degrees in length.

On a clear night when the Moon is new and and you are far away from city lights you can see stars in every direction. Of course we can not see the stars during the day because the bright light of the Sun makes them invisible. Imagine, however, that you can see stars during the day, and on the first day of spring, you were able to see the star that is directly behind the Sun. This star could be used as a marker for the beginning of the zodiac sign Aries. If you were to make this observation every Spring for 72 years you would notice something very interesting: the star that was directly behind the Sun when Spring began 72 years ago had gradually moved by a very slight amount each year and after 72 years has moved about 1 degree. The tropical zodiac moves very slowly, about 1 degree per 72 years, through the fixed stars. After a little more than 2,000 years the tropical zodiac will have moved through 30 degrees of the fixed stars, so this slight movement is hardly noticeable over a few years but across a larger time span it is very obvious.

The sidereal zodiac, unlike the tropical zodiac, is based on the positions of the fixed stars, a tangible thing, rather than an abstract point like the position of the Sun when the seasons begin. However, there is one major problem in using the sidereal zodiac: astrologers who use the sidereal zodiac do not agree about which fixed star to use as the starting point! Vedic astrologers, like sidereal astrologers, use the sidereal zodiac; one Vedic astrologer may say that the Sun at the time of your birth is 3 degrees of Gemini and another may say it is at 5 degrees of Gemini. Cyril Fagan's research of Egyptian hieroglyphics convinced him that in ancient times the fixed star Aldebaran was at 15 degrees of Taurus.

"Aldebaran" means bull's eye and to this day we use the phrase "bull's eye" to mean the center of something! Sidereal astrology has very little in common with Vedic astrology other than that both approaches use the sidereal zodiac. All sidereal astrologers use the sidereal zodiac based on Fagan's research and it is often referred to as the Fagan-Bradley ayanamsha. The word "ayanamsha" means the difference between the sidereal and tropical zodiacs. The ayanamsha increases by about 1 degree each 72 years, as described above. The current ayanamsha according to siderealist astrologers is about 24 degrees, so that all planet positions are about 24 degrees earlier in the sidereal zodiac than they are in the tropical zodiac. Some Vedic astrologers use a larger ayanamsha.

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posted October 14, 2010 07:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
DRACONIC ASTROLOGY - A legacy from an ancient past -- Patrizia Trotta

Tracing the origins of Draconic Astrology would be a very difficult task; all we really know about it is that it was used in ancient Babylonian astrology and that it seems to have a "spiritual flavour", so much so that Edgar Cayce himself used it in his readings, in the sense that when given people's birth details, he very often described (under hypnosis as usual) their characteristics as seen from the draconic level of their astrological charts, rather than the more commonly used tropical. Somehow, Draconic Astrology seems to describe the "soul personality", bypassing the more usual physical and psychological levels of reading a chart. This does not mean that Draconic Astrology is not suitable for practical purposes - astrologers using it will soon find that it adds a lot to consultations, as it describes people's inner nature so well. How do we interpret draconic charts? Is this nodal zodiac different? Not really. In fact, because it seems to describe motivation from the soul level, it tends to express the higher principles of signs/aspects/houses, which, being purer, are easier to interpret.

This interesting and increasingly popular branch of astrology uses a zodiac beginning at the Moon's North Node (Nodal Zodiac), which is treated as 0 Aries. The meanings of signs, aspects and houses do not really change - as stated above, their principles are simply expressed in a clearer way. Just to get to the point, what is the meaning of a draconic chart? There are various theories, but to name a few:

1) Some people say that the draconic level of an individual's chart shows what he/she has done in previous incarnations

2) According to some theories, it is supposed to show people's soul qualities

3) Some astrologers feel that it shows the ideal to be reached by the Higher Self during the present incarnation

4) For some others, it shows the "soul blueprint" and the Higher Self's intentions for the present incarnation

One thing is certain - if we compare the tropical and draconic levels in a horoscope, we will find that certain life-themes will be indicated with great clarity. The links between the two levels (especially conjunctions and oppositions) are likely to represent what the Higher Self has in store for us by simply indicating what the soul should focus on to learn as much as possible and evolve during the present incarnation.

Interestingly, the "windows" Draconic Astrology opens on other (subtler) dimensions of our being, reflect the multidimensionality many of us are beginning to claim as our "real Selves". In this way, Draconic Astrology potentially complements the more common Tropical Astrology exquisitely well, giving clues to our Higher Self and its guidance. Placing draconic positions around the more common Tropical birth planets in a bi-wheel chart will clearly show connections and links between these levels, the most powerful being the conjunctions and the oppositions, particularly to the angles. In my opinion, what is particularly interesting to note for practical purposes are draconic Sun, Moon and Ascendant placements, which seem to give clues to the quality of a person's emotional body, his/her "hidden self".

What is an emotional body? If we accept the principle that we have an "energy component", according to our "subtle anatomy", we are made up of physical, emotional, mental and spiritual bodies. The spiritual body is the one that vibrates faster, feeding all the other "layers" of our being. If we objectively observe the progress of the human race in the past century, we will clearly see that we have evolved considerably on a physical and mental level - we tend to live longer and more comfortably, and technology advancements themselves witness to what extent we have progressed mentally and intellectually (mostly to the detriment of our emotions). But, however important and encouraging this progress is, sadly an imbalance has been created, and we have unquestionably been left with a seriously underdeveloped emotional body which needs a lot of healing.

As our emotional body tends to be unconscious and neglected, it vibrates at a rather slow frequency, seemingly being addicted to unproductive emotions such as fear, anger, worry, etc. Unfortunately, we cannot really say that rapture and bliss are part of our everyday emotional scenarios, plus the difficulties we face in life on a day-to-day basis seem to conspire against developing our emotions to a higher level. As many teachers have been telling us in so many ways, constant exposure to our own spiritual energies from the Higher Self via meditation, deep breathing, crystals, herbal remedies, or whatever other method one chooses to adopt, will eventually result in a natural evolution of our emotional body, and therefore of ourselves. I would argue that logically, if it is true that we are unquestionably heading towards perfection anyway, perhaps an attitude of playfulness, simply listening to our inner voice before making any decision and learning to trust our inner guidance, could be very good ways to speed up our evolution, after all. While we certainly do need more positive role models, perhaps relying on other people, leaders or teachers, is becoming less relevant and necessary, so it seems to me that what we really need for the 21st century is to embrace our own power and become all that we can be by awakening our fearless self. In short, to evolve our emotional body and survive on our planet we will have to learn to vibrate faster and thus embrace our multidimensionality.

As more and more people awaken to their multidimensionality, the "new astrologers" are likely to have an important part to play in the healing of emotions on a global scale, and Draconic Astrology might just be what we need to help people (and ourselves) heal their emotions and regain their power by integrating their unconscious, multidimensional, Cosmic Self. In this article, by using the charts of two well-known people, I'd like to show how a simple application of this method can help the astrologer understand the dynamics of the Nodal zodiac and its potential.

Before we begin, a brief explanation of how to calculate Draconic positions is in order: all you need to do is to subtract the longitude of your North Node from each planet's and angle's longitude. The easiest way is to convert all positions to ABSOLUTE LONGITUDE first, which is their position in the 360 circle (i.e. 0 Aries=0 ; 0 Taurus=30 ; 0 Gemini=60 etc. In this way, for example, natal Sun at 10 30' Taurus will become 40 30' in absolute longitude and natal Moon at 25 15' Scorpio will translate as 235 15' in absolute longitude). Of course, a computer program will calculate your Draconic chart in no time - doing it by hand is just a bit more lengthy, but not really difficult.

Once you have your draconic positions, write them (in a different colour maybe) round your natal chart (if you have a computer program, you might like to use a bi-wheel chart) and note any Draco planets on natal angles, and any powerful aspects formed to natal planets. Almost always, important life themes will become evident. It would also be wise to pay particular attention to the signs (and natal houses) that draconic Sun, Moon and Ascendant occupy, as they are usually very revealing and indicate hidden/unconscious talents or tendencies, as well as important areas of growth in this lifetime. As the clearest explanations can only be found in practical examples, let us now analyse very briefly two charts of well-known people.

PRINCESS DIANA

Details: dr.Venus conjunct Asc.; dr. MC conjunct Venus; dr.Mercury/Sun conjunct Jupiter; dr.Jupiter conjunct Mars/Pluto; dr.Saturn conjunct North Node/Mars; dr.Asc. conjunct Sun, opposition Saturn; dr.Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house; dr.Moon in Virgo in the 9th house; dr. Asc. in Cancer.

If you observe her natal/draconic charts in a bi-wheel format, you will find that Lady Diana's draco Venus is very prominent, obviously indicating that both loving and relating (Venusian energies) were very important for her soul growth (in her case also doing so publicly). It was one of the areas she had to teach and learn about. Draco Mercury conjunct Jupiter shows how important broadening her own and other people's horizons was. Draco Sun on Jupiter emphasises her love of sports and freedom, as well as her philosophical and philanthropic nature, also well described by dr. Moon in the 9th house. Dr. Asc. conjunct Sun in the 7th might indicate that sharing her own life with the world was necessary for her own growth, too. I find draconic Jupiter conjunct Mars very interesting, as it indicates freedom of action, learning the importance of asserting herself and how to do so effectively (lessons concerning her 'will' are clearly indicated in the Tropical chart as well). Draco Saturn on her North Node/Mars and dr. Asc. opposition Saturn (limitations and restructuring of her energy and public behaviour) seem particularly revealing, in view of the fact that she had to bear many restrictions to her precious freedom in her royal role. It is public knowledge that through all her personal suffering she learned a lot, and accepted the responsibility of sharing what she had learned with the world. Her interest in humanitarian causes is well described by her Draco Sun in Aquarius in the 2nd house, and her eating disorders are indicated by her Cancerian sensitivity mixed with a draconic Moon in Virgo (=psychosomatic ailments), which also describes her wish to be of service. She will certainly be remembered for what she taught the world about love and caring (Venus and Cancer), as well as for her own personal suffering (Saturn), through which she raised people's awareness and showed the importance of personal freedom (Jupiter).


EDGAR CAYCE

Details: dr.Chiron conjunct MC/Pluto; dr.Uranus opposition North Node, Mercury, Saturn, Venus; dr.Asc. opposition North Node, Mercury, Saturn, Venus; dr. Mercury, Saturn, Venus conjunct Sun; dr. Sun in Aries in the 9th house; dr.Moon in Gemini in the 10th house; dr. Ascendant in Virgo

Interestingly, this very well known psychic known as "the sleeping prophet" had a pioneering role to play (see draconic planets in Aries in the 8th and 9th houses) and was a great teacher of metaphysical realities (dr. Sun in the 9th and Chiron on the MC). Draconic Uranus/Asc. opposition his 7th house stellium in Pisces emphasise how powerful Uranian energies were in his life and in his work with people. As we know, Uranus stands for psychic abilities, innovative tendencies and breaking new ground. Interestingly, he was sometimes plagued by a terrible temper, which bothered him more than anybody else, as he was usually a quiet man - don't the prominent Uranus and the draco planets in Aries "account" for it really well? Draco Moon in Gemini in the 10th really shows how important communication was to his career and personal life. This is confirmed by draco Mercury, conjunct Sun. Draconic Saturn/Venus are also conjunct his natal Sun, indicating that both discipline and love were necessary for his life work and soul growth. In view of what we know about him, is it surprising to find the placement of his draconic Asc. in Virgo, the sign of service?

The above examples were only meant to give ideas and to offer guidelines as to possible uses of Draconic Astrology. I truly hope that you will be encouraged to explore this wonderful legacy from the ancient past to learn more about your own life purpose. It is my belief that Draconic Astrology is coming back on the scenes with perfect timing to help all of us become all that we can be and embrace our Cosmic heritage.

 Patrizia Trotta (Mailing address: Via Gradisca 18/d, 21100 - VARESE, Italy;
E-mail: skymate@iol.it)

CHARTS DATA:

Princess Diana = July 01, 1961 7:45 p.m. GMD Sandringham, England (0E30' 52N50')
Edgar Cayce = March 18, 1877 3:03 p.m. CST Hopkinsville, KY (87W29'19" 36N51'56")

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posted October 14, 2010 07:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
by Bette Denlinger Copyright © 1997

Compare the Tropical chart to the Draconic to examine the theme of the life search for actualization. If the Tropical planetary positions of another persons chart coincides with a Draconic placement in your chart, this person will in some way teach or challenge you to use the abilities of your Draconic planet in a way that sows seeds for future flowering. The same may be said for transits and progressions to those Draconic degrees. Aspects between charts retain their basic interpretations. If by trine; in positive, easy ways that inspire. If by square, by creating tension and cross purposes which may test your resolve. If by opposition a choice must be made, balance must be created, and if by conjunction the lesson may be for good or ill, but certainly important.
Since we have choice to set out on this quest to fulfill our spiritual needs and as the Draconic chart is based on the Aries point which represents taking action, it follows that to manifest the best and highest of our nature we must deliberately seek the characteristics and concepts of the planets and signs Draconically pointed out.
Each individual walks his own unique path, and only by self searching and reflection will you understand the particular lesson that is yours to learn. Below there are some guidelines, but choose what makes you feel right on target, trust to the voice of your Higher Self , and you can never go wrong.

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When the Sun is highlighted in a Draconic comparison, you may reach out and achieve your potential through taking pleasure in creative abilities. One may create on many levels; you may visualize your goals, take pride in leadership and worldly accomplishment, raise either a child of the body or the mind, or simply enjoy and enlighten those around you. Whatever you focus your whole heart on will be successful if you will concentrate on the matters associated with this placement by house and by sign.

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Should the Moon be notably aspected the expression of feelings and emotion will lead you on a path by which you may find completion. Attuning to the rhythms of the world around you, cherishing those people and things which surround you in daily life, and being receptive is the way to fulfillment of your Draconic road. Opportunities are presented for you to nurture and feed others as well as the self, whether physically, mentally, or emotionally. Learn to listen and reflect on what you hear and feel.

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Mercury as a focus planet directs one towards using logic and precision in everyday matters. Strive for clarity of thought, use the mind as a tool for accomplishing your visions. What you say and write may have importance for your future. Information may be a springboard for consolidating your conflicts. The handle for improvement may lie within the immediate environment. Thoughts are things, so direct your mind along pleasant paths.

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Venus lights the way of potentiality via relationships, social activities, and the ability to love. Pay close attention to people and things attracted into the life through no effort of your own. While you walk on a road with another being harmonize and agree with them. Appreciation of beauty and the arts may catapult you into new and untried directions. Your gaiety and kindness may attract friends that help you in times to come.

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When Mars is the planet accentuated work and effort will be the rewarding areas of life to concentrate on. There may be higher implications in actions taken. Push forward your personal desires, assert yourself and go after those things you want. Your own initiative may produce a turning point for your future. By pleasing yourself first you may become a pleasure for others. Accept challenges and bravely face struggles as you can grow by overcoming strife.

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The only way to deal with Saturn in any form is to accept the limitations put upon you and learn to follow the rules. As you become aware of the value of public recognition or accept the fact that a reputation is built and not given without merit, you grow in wisdom. Obstructions and responsibilities are placed in your path so that you may become stronger, more capable, and more organized. Learning to plan for the future is your vehicle for gaining self respect. Ethical considerations are important to your fulfillment.

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Jupiter in the Draconic chart gives deeper meaning to the development of philosophy and faith. How you react to the opinions of others and their words has a deeper portent for you. Acts of generosity to and from other people, especially family, may be signposts to future rewards. Learning to refine your judgment, weigh what is wasteful and extravagant versus what empowers others, and expanding your horizons are all areas to explore. Educational opportunities are avenues of positive portent.

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Uranus brings sudden changes and unusual circumstances into the life and by meeting these face on you grow and fulfill the other side of your personality. Accept the new and different. The key to future possibilities lies in chance meetings and temporary friendships that spark new thoughts and goals. Embrace change, progress, and humanitarian endeavors. Refuse to stick with the tried and true out of fear. Learn to adjust to change. Let your innate independence shine.

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The Draconic chart with Neptune exchanges indicates that seeds may be sown through an awareness of compassion and sympathy. Once we realize that all mankind is swimming together in a sea of similar consciousness, we may touch the pain of others from within ourselves. Acts of kindness stemming from imagined needs may be catalysts to our future. Confusing or glamorous situations may arise where things are not as they appear, but by accepting these without fear one may walk a path of higher ideals. Don’t shirk from sympathy or accepting charity. Walking a mile in another’s shoes may help you advance on your own road.

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In Draconic charts Pluto dominating the delineation may point to accepting major upheavals as the route to satisfy the souls quest. There are people, situations, and things which must be eliminated and discarded to clear the road for future accomplishment. Pluto may represent abandonment of an element of the life that is the key to the future performance. The proverb, As we sow, so we reap reminds us to banish resentment from the past before we replant. Purity of purpose is all important with Pluto.

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The Vertex involved in a Draconic combination blends the meaning of the Vertex with Nodes. There is no personal control whatsoever over the situation. The power over our own future lies in the hands of someone else. Another person is thrown into the life and we are swept up into a relationship that may , by surrendering our selves to the influence of the other, fulfill our personal dreams and bring them into actuality.

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Draconic degrees show you exactly where you can grow, widen, fulfill, and enhance your life. These are the important points that can show where you may initiate individual growth of spirit and travel from what was into what will be. We can choose to make our futures brighter and happier by searching for the critical points upon which that future may hinge.
Use your Draconic Chart as a sign post pointing to relationships and experiences that will help you become rather than just be.
The hero in our fairy tales became a great prince, won great love, gained riches , achieved greatness and acclaim by valiantly searching out and meeting the dragon head on, face to face.
http://www.solsticepoint.com/dragontxt.htm

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posted October 14, 2010 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DiandraReborn25     Edit/Delete Message
i went to see the comparison of my tropical to my draconic.

Conjunctions

Dr Neptune on n.ASC
Dr PF/NN cj n.DSC
Dr MC cj n.Vertex
Dr Angel on my n8thcusp
Dr Mars/Karma/Valentine cj n.Moon/Alma8th
Dr Merc cj n.MC
Dr saturn/pluto cj n.Mars/Valentine

i supose that the most important conection is the conjuntion?

From what i see,Neptune,Mars,MC are important to look at?

Dr Venus is also wide cj my n.Kiron,so probably some healing occurs through relationships?from the love to the arts/beauty?

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posted October 14, 2010 05:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Peri,

I agree.
Thanks for the reminder. Of course in Draco the oppositions are indicative of past lives, while the conjunctions will have an influence on our present lifepath.

On second thought our NN contains our SN (through oppositions,as it is an axis), so it is probably difficult to differentiate, and IQ seems to have made good experiences with using the Draco chart as a past life chart.
Also if we calculated the DRaco`s with SN the same constellations would STILL be conjunct (only from Draco - Draco of course), just on the other side of the zodiac.
So I guess it only makes a difference if we compare it to tropical, which I do not do for the moment.

Gotta think about that one.

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posted October 14, 2010 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry I don`t have muc htime to respond here, But actually I am just for the night at home, and tomorrow I will go to the convention for the weekend.

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