posted October 14, 2010 08:40 AM         

The full story of how I met the one girl I have not been able to move on from is
here. but in summary it is as follows

Man in UK meets girl in USA on the net in June 2006.
Love happens over the net.
They meet in person (nov 2007)
Plan for life together
Distance becomes too much and they split.
Both still love each other, and are working to fix their lives respectively
Still in contact.

I have spoken to astrologers who have all said we have good charts for a long-term marriage, plenty of good love connections, romance and sex, but also sustainable for a long and happy marriage. Mediums & pyschics said I was 'supposed to be' with this girl, but that it would take time.

Upon speaking to a Magi Astrologer, they informed me that our relationship would be doomed, and even if we were in the same country, the heartache would continue (the distance being the key problem with the story so far).

Problems were heartbreak clashes on both sides. She would be very controlling of me. And too many juno linkages meaning a childless marriage and reluctance to commit......even though we were going to marry. Our combined chart analysis is as follows.

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Let's move onto the combined charts:

- The sex between you is likely to be quite awesome (there are several powerful sexual linkages).

- There is also a very powerful romantic linkage (a lifelong enduring relationship). This is great for general romantic feelings, sex, peace and tranquillity between you. However, this does not necessarily mean marriage, just that your romantic feelings and affection for each other is likely to last a long time (especially from your side).

- She can bring out the worst in you.

- A powerful emotional bond between you. Highly romantic with feelings that you knew each other in previous lives (karmic bond).

- There is are also more than one indicators that this is a fluctuating relationship - tendency to avoid commitment.

- A life-long Cinderella linkage. This is awesome and can help romance, sex and compatibility greatly.

- Loyalty linkage. This is great for compatibility. Willing to forgive and be fair to each other. Great for harmony and honesty.

- There are a whole lot of Saturn bonds and clashes. These aren't so great. It includes two heartbreak clashes (with you as the Saturn person in both), but she is the Saturn person of other clashes. Saturn clashes don't show up in the beginning of a relationship - they take time to develop. She has got a LOT of control over you - if she isn't loving and unselfish then you're likely to, eventually, find it unbearable. The main problem here is that her Saturn forms part of an extremely stressful Grand Cross pattern with your Venus, Jupiter and Neptune. Venus and Neptune are romance and financial planets - she'd have a lot of control over you in these areas, but also over your general success (Jupiter). It is likely that you'd experience this control as very negative. This alone is very bad news and is probably the reason the other Magi astrologer didn't think this relationship was a good idea.

- There are numerous Grand Trines and other beneficial symmetrical patterns that can help keep the two of you together. They create that comfortable feeling that you may have when you're together. Like things just fit well.

- A lot of Juno interaspects - hmm too many Juno aspects aren't good in a relationship because it implies marriage without children or children out of marriage or the mistress. Juno doesn't like to commit and likes you for what you give. Juno also symbolises misinformation, illusions and delusions.

- There is also a schism clash that is part of a pattern that implies that although you may be friends for a very long time, there will be times when the friendship will be severely tested because of dramatic differences between you.

- All of these great linkages and awful clashes indicate a heaven and hell relationship - heaven in the beginning and more hell as time goes on.

Astrology only shows potential. It is up to the individuals to make or break any relationship. Even the most difficult relationship can be made to work, but it may not be a very pleasant experience. Be aware that there is a very high potential for this relationship to become one that you are very unhappy with (all those Saturn clashes with Kelli Lee as the Saturn person). In the beginning Saturn can mislead you, but a really excellent marriage chart can help with a difficult relationship chart. However, some of those sexual aspects (the ones involving Juno) evaporate one a couple is married.

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I have attached a synastry chart below and a composition chart as well. If it helps, we met in person on 12th November 2007 in Granite, Oklahoma, US.

I am not looking for anyone to tell me how to get to her, I have done many years of visa research and know its pretty much impossible for me to move there to be with her, unless I married.

I would like to know what good things we have in our charts, and does it confirm what the magi astrologer said?

Synastry chart.

Composition chart.

Basically, I think I need closure is a good way or closure in a 'stop freaking out' about it. I dont know enough about astrology to confirm one arguement against the other, but I am hoping someone will read this and see that I am desparate.

Please help me with this.

Terry

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posted October 14, 2010 01:18 PM         

All men born this year have tremendous pain and "heart ache" issues to overcome. We also have Saturn in Leo to compound the misery.
After quite a bit of research, I found very few big success stories of men born in 1977.
Freddy Flintoff, Orlando Bloom, John Cena and Brock Lesner being noteworthy. My college mate Karthi [South Indian film mega star] is another [May 25th 1977] but he has an unbeatable chart with Jupiter trine Pluto exact, plus he entered filmdom only after his Saturn Return completed. He is single, no romantic affairs, no love life, zilch to date. Just box office success

Cena and Lesnar, you know very well how much physical pain they had to endure to reach their demi-god status today. Orlando Bloom has been fighting injuries all his life as well. Flintoff is a legend, a hero but again fought injuries all his life and has had a painful end to his career. In the love department, he has more or less happily settled down with a girl next door type.
Lesnar has had a brken marriage and Cena found love very late, again after his Saturn Return.
Bloom is the champ with Miranda Kerr on his arms for such a long time.

So it is a mixed bag. I married in 2006, during the Saturn Return. This is probably when you and your soulmate found each other.

As per Magi Astrology [which Amowls has rightly pointed out is a tad too fatalistic when it comes to marriage], my marriage should have failed in a few weeks. My wife and I have no Cinderella Aspects, no Chiron aspects, and we have the worst Saturn aspects imaginable.
Even our Ascendants are squared exact.

However, we have good Pluto aspects. When a Man begins to vibrate on the Higher Mental Planes of forgiveness of karmic debts and unconditional love, then the astrological barriers have no option but to yield to his Higher Self's command.

Your Higher Self and your Soulmate's Higher Self vibrate at a much more powerful frequency than Astrology, perhaps only Neptune and Pluto can comprehend such a frequency.

This is the route that you both need to take to dissolve the barriers. UK or USA, both are in the same boat, it does not matter where either one relocates. It is better for either one to sacrifice the present geographical region's advantage and trust God for a similar opening wherever the relocation occurs, God works wonderful miracles for the sake of Human Love.

I will explain your astrological charts later. Notice the Numerological 8 and 8 synchronicity.

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posted October 14, 2010 02:06 PM         

Here is one more interesting anomaly for you.
I just noticed this from my own database. Many from 1966, 1968 and 1969 started asking for readings. Many are discovering that they could be Star Seed types or have chosen "Angelic" Missions this lifeline.
But I have hardly seen a single 1967 born person ask me for readings in this entire period [since Uranus entered Aries for the first time this year]. I think I have clocked 250-300 free snapshots and doubts this year, NONE from 1967 as far as I can remember. Even in synastries I find 1967 missing. Just now a couple asked, 1964 and 1969. Last month a 1961 and 1963. Many many 1966s and 1968s.
Where are the 1967ers? What is preventing them from getting astrologically inclined?

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posted October 14, 2010 04:21 PM         

I'm a 1967 and that's an interesting piece of information. One thing about 1966 (you may already know this) there are a lot of "Saturn conjunct Chiron" in Pisces people. I find most 1966-ers have great difficulties with their fathers because of this aspect, including my brother and cousin.

And most importantly, the revolutionary generational aspect "Uranus conjunct Pluto" became exact at 16 degrees Virgo on November 9th, 1966 (The day John Lennon met Yoko Ono). My brother has it and one of my cousins both have these conjunctions.

In 1967, I have the conjunction although it's 2 1/2 degrees apart.

For 1967, there is "The Summer of Love" aspects that go into affect, so maybe there was a breather period.

posted October 14, 2010 05:45 PM         

I was questioning the Magi input, because the reading of who I AM and about me was SO accurate, it was better than any chart interpretation. So that is why I am in conflcit about my thoughts.

And I did notice we were both number 8's in numerology terms

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posted October 15, 2010 03:15 AM         

["All men born this year have tremendous pain and "heart ache" issues to overcome. We also have Saturn in Leo to compound the misery.
After quite a bit of research, I found very few big success stories of men born in 1977."]

--but majority of people dont achieve big successes in life either. Why do 77'rs have it exceptionally hard? because Saturn is in Leo? Big Successes aside, with everyday life, everyone goes through the same heartaches & losses. Some worse than others, but I dont necessarily think general masses of 77'rs have it irreparably worse than others. It also depends on the individual too, how some, "seem," to keep putting themselves in bad situations, vs. external forces putting one there. (btw, I'm not downplaying your research by any means...I'm just pondering on why why why).

OK in a nutshell I guess I'm just saying...my life is pretty crappy too.

["He is single, no romantic affairs, no love life, zilch to date. Just box office success."]

posted October 15, 2010 06:22 AM         

@Geocosmic: One of you in 1967 = 100 Astrologers so that is why there are few others interested
And excellent insights on 1966.

@Agent: I think it is all about Chiron. 1977 was the year of its discovery and hence people born in 1977 will reckon with Chiron's themes the most. Additionally, had Saturn not been in Leo, things would have been better.
If you pick the luckiest b*stards from 1970 to 1990, and play many rounds of lotto, the one from 1977 will win the least. If you pick the unluckiest folk from these years and put them through an obstacle course, the bloke from 1977 will have the most bruises even if he does not finish last. This is what Chiron and Saturn in Leo do to this batch.

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posted October 15, 2010 07:44 AM         

And you are right to mention that I did meet Kelli (well online at least) in 2006, 2 months before my 29th birthday. And I was absolutely convinced beyond all doubt, she was the one for me. When we met in person in 2007, I had already had my 30th. Kelli began hers the following year (2008), which probably explains the last 2 yrs of problems.

I think the confusion from everything, was I thought our charts were strong for longevity, romance etc and a real recipe for something that could work out AND go the distance, you know, 30/40 yrs etc. But again, this was just what people told me about our charts, as I was only reading individual aspects at the time. I dont really know about transits and their impact.

When the Magi reading happened, it mirrored a lot of how I currently perceived the relationship....heaven and hell, but the Magi didnt account that Kelli has just had her saturn returns, and I was going THROUGH mine when we first met online.

So effectively I am still none the wiser, because one arguement seems to cancel out the other.

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posted October 15, 2010 09:57 AM         

But your Saturn-Mars square is very weak, you have more karmic trouble from Saturn to JUNO. This aspect indicates difficulty in getting married, mostly due to past life indiscretions.

Your chart also has another big time difficulty of Ascendant square Neptune. This is a huge stress for a Virgo Ascendant. This becomes a "depression" aspect if you neglect your personal happiness and stay in denial that you are neglecting personal happiness. Cancerians do that due to incredible patience and huge ability to feel resentment without outward expression, so pls be careful.

When a couple has the same Sun Sign, and they are soulmates, then they are said to be on the thunderbolt path of paying karmic debts. Meaning it will take quite a while before joy is realized. It is said in some occult circles that two 8 numbers should never get married. My cousins made that mistake, both are suffering even though the marriage is successful. Even their kids are suffering.

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As per mathematical astrological analysis of your Composite Chart, it is not a great match when seen as a whole.
1. Ascendant square Sun: Things fall apart right here, this is a direct personality clash.
2. EROS square Moon and PSYCHE sq Saturn: In spite of the past life "soulmate" connection, there are too many emotional hurdles and karmic debts in actualizing the relationship.
3. True Node quincunx Moon when Mercury also squares Moon = Depression is guaranteed as one partner patiently adjusts and bears the tantrums of the other just to make things work.
4. Pluto and Ascendant square Jupiter = Lesser luck than other couples.
5. Pluto in 12th gives the past life insight. Sexual crime, mostly infedilty. Both may have done it in 2 different past lifelines.
6. Mars sextile Mercury = Excellent communication. That is all you two are getting now in the long distance relationship. That is all that will be if you actualize the relationship. There is no bed breaking sex according to the composite.
And without great sex even the most emotionally compatible couples more often than not have marital break ups.
7. Uranus in first, retrograde and opposing Chiron is the concluding evidence that this relationship is just not meant to be, in spite of the past lifeline connections.

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posted October 15, 2010 10:32 AM         

I guess the thing with meeting Kelli was I felt a lot for her, more than any other woman. I was convinced at the time, but everything that has happened since has made me question this. Because of this, I was no longer convinced of our togetherness, and the magi confirmed that (even if it is inaccurate). I guess maybe I thought there were enough good aspects to out-number the bad.

And from the sounds of it, sounds like I'm better off single than being with Kelli. the fact that I will struggle to marry confirms my fairly 'single' life up till this point.

Damn, I've got it bad.

Curse my former life, I shake my fist at you.

*scrowls*

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