posted October 15, 2010 06:36 AM              

what do you feel about it?

Has it been accurate for your relationships?

Is there any specific transit that indicates a specific event?something that triggers a same event for everyone´s relationship?

-for instance,we jsut had transit Uranus passing our 7th....and no separation,no change or sudden event on what concerns our relationship status.

- saturn is cj Mars in 1º away now.in our 2nd house. i know this specific transit is a bit difficult cause it is supposed to cool off our passions,and many times expresses events where freedom is supressed.

- Pluto - ruler of the 4th - has entered the 5th.Often this also can indicate a possible pregnancy..till now it didnt occur.

it is trine the ASC but i guess the most important thing is that it is now cj our SN.

Whatever event now that happens in 5th matters will be karmic,fated and intense perhaps...

More so because Tr NN/Karma are cj Tr Pluto too.

So,and what about you?What have been you experiences with this type of chart analysis?

Accurate or not that much?

posted October 16, 2010 10:56 AM            

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posted October 16, 2010 03:45 PM              

Thank you for participating.

perhaps now more can come and share the events of their own relationship or so I hope!

well IQ my mother is having tr uranus hitting her 7th...i sure hope it doesnt lead to that.

What you said it is very interesting..ive benn thinking about it really but i feel some contradiction in me:

as you know,currently i ve been under various difficult transits in my chart,surely reflecting what has been happening around me,and with me too.

but at the same time,i also have been studying and changing within,as i learn and grow more into my own spiritual side ( which is infact the only one Real).

and within these knowledge comes also the advocation of only focus the positive,the bright side,and dont sit in the "apparent caotic events" that appear in the matrix.

cause the more we know about the dark,the more it comes...so if i am aware of all the astrological events,transits and so on...am i attracting also a higher influence?

I mean...i dont follow the law of Murphy thing ive been learning to get away from the tv´s media,journals and all the stuff that programm us to believe that this is a hard path,so....while you say that if im aware of it all,i have the upper hand...

the books ive been reading say,like Eckart Tolle,that we must embrace the present,without creating expectations,and without thinking at all about the less positive apparent events....

how does this work,if you say that about the transits?

posted October 16, 2010 04:09 PM              

or anyone who wants to share the experience, or the knowledge:

-What have been your transits to your composite when some big event happened?

- geographic relocation
- pregnancy or birth of a child
- marriage or moving in together
- break ups? temporary or not
- increase of stability within the relationship?

it is interesting to study also if somehow the transits to the composite also reflected some other transit that you might be having in your natal.

posted October 18, 2010 08:28 AM              

Dont know if these are really accurate of if somebody might have already studied them,but probably it is important too,since the draconic shows the Soul Chart,then the composite one shows the Soul of the Relationship?on a more internal,visceral perspective?

- Tr URANUS/JUP is on our C.Sun in the 1st house. sun rules our 4th

- Tr Amor is cj our mars/nerc in 2ndH
- Tr Tyche/Boda is cj our Jupiter 3rdH.This oposes our C.CHild

- Tr Fortuna oposes the C.Sun
- Tr SATURN 3CAP is cj our C.Moon4CAP in the 8th and oposes Mercury

- Tr PLUTO is cj our C.Karma

this is really interesting!i never saw this before.

seems like some hard transits as Uranus on the Sun,probably showing some sudden change at the relationship´s deepest core;probably relates to family/home since the sun rules our 4th...

SATURN is hitting our Moon,probably teatching something on what relates to emotions?women?it is in the 8th so also has to do with sex,taxes together?saturn is known to cooling off passion,but i dont feel that really..

moon rules our 3rd so i hope that means that some lessons will be learned to what concerns siblings and immeditate surroundings ( if you know what i mean...

Pluto on our karma...definatelly makes me think about intense,powerful and transformative changes in our relationship,ones that are fated and karmic.and also helps us to walk down the path of our mission together.Karma is in our 10th and pluto rule sour 6th.

hmmm changes in our daily routines?health?work?

posted October 18, 2010 12:49 PM            

Your thread inspired me to do a transit study on my Comp with my SO. I've noticed some of these transits before, but this is the first time I looked methodically.

Some interesting highlights...

- When we first had sex, we were experiencing our VALENTINE Return and our KARMA Return.

- The bodies in our Comp most aspected by transits:
1. VALENTINE
2. KARMA
3. JUNO

I hadn't realized our Comp Valentine was so important for us, but that makes sense. It's in the 1st house and exactly aspects both our natals. In our Davison, it's at 26* Sag and cnj's the Asc.

Also important, we have some tight squares in our Comp. Valentine harmoniously aspects those squares, so must influence that tension with its energy.

I don't think you can look at a Comp (or any chart) and instantly know which consciousness vibrates strongest for the couple. So this study was interesting bc it helped point out to me the parts of our astro that are most in line with our consciousness.

- There aren't such clear cut leaders when it comes to which transiting planets most aspect our Comp. Tied at the top are: Venus, Jupiter, Karma, SN, and Saturn.

- The tightest transit was in our meeting chart: t.Jupiter cnj JUNO in the 5th. The orb was exact to the minute.

- Transits to and from KARMA have been absent since our reconciliation a few years ago.

- The most aspected Comp angle is the MC.

posted October 18, 2010 01:04 PM            

- Eight significant events in our relationship.
- Conjunctions only (more out of laziness than principle ). A few times I went dyslexic and unintentionally looked at opp's too.
- 3* orbs (many were 0*).
- I added in: Vertex, Juno, Ceres, Karma, and Valentine.

Here's what I found...
Comp Body is on the left, transiting body on the right.

1. First Meeting

KARMA ... t. Chiron
VALENTINE ...t. Karma SN DSC (edit: Oh, Karma was actually opp our Val, not cnj.)
JUNO ... t. Jupiter Saturn
CERES ... t. MC

2. First Had Sex/Became Exclusive

KARMA ... t. Karma Venus Pluto
VALENTINE ... t. Valentine
JUNO ... t. MC
SUN ... t. Mars

3. Moved in Together

KARMA ... t. Pluto SN
SUN-VENUS ... t. Uranus
DSC ... t. Venus
MOON ... t. Moon (Exact transit at some point during the day. Appropriate for living together!)

4. Broke Up

VALENTINE ... t. Chiron
MOON ... t. SN
DSC ... t. Saturn Karma

5. Reconciled

VALENTINE ... t. Saturn (opp, not cnj)
SUN ... t. Uranus
MC ... t. Ceres

6. Private, Informal "Wedding" Ceremony
(Just me and him. Exchanged rings. Not legal. )

VERTEX ... t. Juno
JUNO ... t. Venus
VENUS ... t. Ceres
MOON ... t. Jupiter
MC ... t. Asc

7. Engaged for reals

MC ... t. Juno

8. Legal Wedding

posted October 18, 2010 02:25 PM            

This is when my SO and I were in Spain & had a freakydeaky mystical experience. You could call it a past life recall, I guess.

9. Spain

MOON ... t. Venus Mars Juno
KARMA ... t. Pluto
MERCURY-VENUS ... t. Uranus

And there's a good chance that
-t. DSC was cnj our comp VALENTINE
-t.MC was cnj our comp IC-CERES.

posted October 19, 2010 06:38 AM              

thank you for your input.well mars and moon do tell fights,energie put into emotional fights,when in hard aspect.

im sorry for that.

Jane

your study is fascinating.

thank you for participating.

well we already know that you and your husband are real love soulmates. it is interesting to see that when you became intimate,you were having valentine/karma return seems that it was part of your "Mission" to become lovers once again,and it relates to true love and fated conection.

looking at the bodies most aspected makes sense those that you showed:venus - love matters; jupiter-expansion and growth,luck; karma & SN - always present when people have met in previous lives; Saturn - it bonds and is also the Lord of Karma.

when you met,having Jup ck Juno in 5th is really telling: luck and expansion on what concers the perfect committed partner,and in the house of romance,children and fun!

WOW - KARMA doesnt appear since you reconciled!!! might mean that by being together,you finally cleared up all the "karma" that you had to clear,the less positive one?and now you are able both to evolve and learn together,and that naturally reflects the MC aspects: your social status changed naturally from single to dating and now to married couple.

it is nice to know that in your case,Uranus only contributted to positive and not seperacional events

posted October 19, 2010 06:38 AM              

1st time intimate: sun/mars is hot! venus and pluto tied with karma...soulmates!

moved in together: well it was meant to be!was it hard at 1st?cause of pluto there? uranus definately fits there too

Broke up: valentine/kiron... was it related to women figure somehow?

reconciliation: uranus/sun meant a reconciliation! what a surprise!

informal wedding: such lovely aspects!meant to become husband/wife really!and there it is the MC of course

Engaged: MC/JUNO is perfect

Legal Wedding: that is so sweet:sun/venus and juno there in the asct...jup/valentine is really accurate here too.

posted October 19, 2010 07:18 AM              

i used valentine,karma,Union,Ceres,Juno,Amor,Eros,Isis and Osiris ( these two archetypes figure strongly in all our charts).

- 1stMEETING IN PERSON

- C.UNion opose Tr Jupiter
- C.NEPTUNE cj Tr Pluto/Valentine
- C.KARMA opose Tr Pluto/Valentine
- C.AMOR opose Tr Union
- C.CERES cj TR MOON
- C.VENUS opose Tr Uranus
- C.ISIS cj Tr NN in Aries Point
- C.MC cj Tr EROS
- c.KARMA wide cj tr Sun 4º
- C.JUNO opose Tr Juno

our most tight aspect was C.NN cj Tr Amor 0º0´4

1ST DATE

- C.Uranus cj Tr Moon
- C.Valentine oopose Tr Karma
- C.Union cj Tr Osiris ( showing John as the perfect soulmate perhaps)
- C.AMOR cj Tr Isis/Eros/Venus
- C.Valentine cj Tr Sun/Amor
- C.VERTEX opose Tr Saturn/Juno

look at this!the most tight aspect was Tr ISIS cj C.AMOR 0º24´ and C.Antivertex cj Tr.Juno 0º29´.

once again,AMOR is the most tight aspect and becomes more aspected also along with Valentine too.

BECAME INTIMATE

- C.ASC cj Tr Sun 0ºruler of ASC
- C.SUN cj Tr Mars we have this one too!
- C.UNION opose Tr Jupiter
- C.CERES cj Tr KArma in 5th
- C.vertex cj Tr Ceres/Neptune
- C.Venus opose tr Neptune tight
- C.kiron cj Tr Osiris
- C.VERTEX opose Tr Saturn and Venus

the most tight aspect was Tr Sun on Asc.

DAY THAT JOHN GAVE ME A RING AS SIGN OF LOVE

- C.venus cj Tr Ceres
- C.Sun cj Tr Saturn
- C.Ceres cj Tr Isis
- C.Valentine opose Tr Eros
- C.VERTEX wide cj Tr Jup/NN/JUNO
- C.Sun opose Tr Uranus!
- C.Moon cj Tr Venus
- C.Amor cj Tr Valentine
- C.Vertex opose Tr Union

The most tight aspect was TR Saturn on C.sun 0º and Tr Uranus opose Sun!

this is surprising really cause just like you,seems that Uranus only brought positive and expansive changes within the relationship.not at all disruptive or sudden less positive changes!

from what i see,Vertex/Union/Amor/Isis/Valentine have been the most aspected in our chart.

posted October 19, 2010 07:50 AM            

Tr Sun opposite c-Venus
Tr Uranus conjunct c-IC

TR NN conjunct c-Sun, BOTH are exactly on 19°25 Sagittarius, couldn´t get more exact than this!

Tr Ceres conjunct c-Jupiter on 9 Pisces exact
Tr Juno conjunct c-Jupiter on 9 Pisces exact
- not bad to have an exact soulmate-aspect through transits at the time of marriage I guess

Tr Valentine conjunct c-Mars
Tr Valentine conjunct s- SN on 24 Virgo exact
Tr Valentine opposite s-Amor

Tr Eros conjunct c-Valentine on 1 Aries exact
Tr Aura conjunct c-Valentine

Tr Psyche opposite c-Boda
Tr Psyche conjunct c-DESC on 14.4 Aquarius exact

BTW I used mainly 1 degree orb and with applying quick moving objects 2 degrees.

The most significant Sabians:

Tr NN conjunct c-Sun:
In An Old-Fashioned Northern Village Men Cut The Ice Of A Frozen Pond For Use During The Summer

Tr Ceres and Tr Juno conjunct c-Jupiter:
An Aviator Pursues His Journey, Flying Through Ground-Obscuring Clouds

Tr Valentine conjunct c-SN:
A Flag At Half-Mast In Front Of A Public Building

Tr Eros conjunct c-Valentine:
A Comedian Reveals Human Nature

Tr Psyche conjunct c-DESC:
Two Lovebirds Sitting On A Fence And Singing Happily

posted October 19, 2010 08:29 AM            

Tr Venus conjunct c-true BML
Tr Venus opposite c-Spirit

Tr Mars conjunct c-Karma

Tr Jupiter conjunct c-Moon on 22 Cap exact
(Tr Jupiter also trines c-Juno exact)

Tr Uranus conjunct c-Ceres
Tr Uranus conjunct c-Aura

Tr Neptune conjunct c-Psyche on 24 Aquarius exact

TR SN conjunct c-Saturn on 21 Leo exact
Tr NN conjunct c-Osiris on 21 Aquarius exact

Tr Chiron oposite c-Saturn exact
Tr Chiron conjunct c-Osiris on 21 Aquarius exact

Tr Juno conjunct c-Sun exact: Tr Juno on 26°25 Sag and c-Sun on 26°26 Sag!

Tr BML opposite c-Jupiter
Tr BML conjunct c-Neptune (3 degrees appl)

Tr Valentine conjunct c-Eros

Tr Eros conjunct c-Jupiter
Tr Eros opposite c-Neptune

Tr Psyche opposite c-Eros
Tr Psyche conjunct c-MC

Tr Aura conjunct c-Saturn
Tr Aura opposite c-Osiris

Tr Osiris conjunct c-Amor and c-NN on 20 Libra exact

Sabians:

Tr Jupiter conjunct c-Moon
A Soldier Receiving Two Awards For Bravery In Combat

Tr Neptune conjunct c-Psyche
A Butterfly With The Right Wing More Perfectly Formed

Tr SN conjunct c-Saturn
A Carrier Pigeon Fulfilling Its Mission

Tr NN and Tr Chiron conjunct c-Osiris
A Rug Is Placed On The Floor Of A Nursery To Allow Children To Play In Comfort And Warmth

Tr Juno conjunct c-Sun
A Sculptor At His Work

posted October 19, 2010 02:26 PM            

What an attentive and intuitive mind you have! When I see my relationship's list of aspects, naturally it's easy for me to know how all that feels. I've lived it. You have a real knack for looking at other people's lists and seeing the life inside the words.

Well, we may have stumbled upon a Comp Transit trend: t.Mars-c.Sun for sex. Interesting that t.Uranus has also been favorable for you. In your Comp, do you and J have a strong Uranus/Aqua/11th house influence? My SO and I do. That familiarity may contribute to a transiting planet gelling with a Comp.

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seems that it was part of your "Mission" to become lovers once again,and it relates to true love and fated conection.

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Must this mission be accomplished through missionary?

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might mean that by being together,you finally cleared up all the "karma" that you had to clear,the less positive one?

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That's what I was thinking, too! I have to thank you for this thread bc I hadn't noticed that pattern before this study. And what a strong pattern it is:

Events 1 - 4 (plus event 9 which took place during that time span): active Karma

Events 5 - 8: no Karma

We did transform when we got back together. We had to, or the relationship wouldn't have worked. I think we went further this life than we were able to do in the past. Old ways died and some new, better ways were born.

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1st meeting: hmm perhaps some pain involved first in order for you to be together and trust each other?might have existed some problems in the past for both of you?

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Yes.

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moved in together: well it was meant to be!was it hard at 1st?cause of pluto there?

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Living together...was wonderful from the start!

We did have an argument before the move though. When I was 20, I bought my own place (with my sister). I was proud of that.

When I was 22, my SO and I had been together for 6 months and he wanted me to move in with him. It made more practical sense for me to move into his home - his place was nicer, that's where we already spent most of our time, and it was more private since, unlike me, he had no roommate.

But it bothered me that he expected me to abandon my place. My house symbolized my autonomy to me. I needed to know he respected & valued that part of me before I'd move in.

I can see how t. Pluto-SN on our comp Karma illustrated that. I've always had the sense that in a past life relationship, he felt threatened by my independence & wanted to stifle it. So it makes sense that I was on the defensive with him about those issues. I needed to know he respected my independent will before I'd give him the level of partnership he wanted.

This concern of mine was triggered shortly beforehand when he'd, w/o consulting me, made arrangements for the two of us to go away to a favorite destination of his during Spring Break. I know - ridiculous thing to complain about! How horrible for him to plan a good time for us! It was the assumption that bothered me though. He didn't include me in the plans or even ask if I wanted to go away. I felt like he was absorbing me into his world & I wanted to make it clear that just bc I was "his", didn't mean I was his. Y'know?

It all seems absurd to me now, lol. But those were real concerns for me then. I didn't yet know if I could trust him to respect my independence.

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Broke up: valentine/kiron... was it related to women figure somehow?

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That was the catalyst, yes. How can you tell that from the transit?

posted October 19, 2010 02:27 PM            

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our most tight aspect was C.NN cj Tr Amor 0º0´4

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Beautiful.

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- C.NEPTUNE cj Tr Pluto/Valentine

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Was there love at first sight?

That aspect sounds like you were both immediately feeling intoxicated with the other, like you'd found an overwhelmingly powerful love.

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- C.Uranus cj Tr Moon

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I would guess that your first date was high energy. Lots of laughter and excitement. True?

I see you have your Comp Ceres in the 5th. I have that natally, so I think I know how that feels for you two.

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The most tight aspect was TR Saturn on C.sun 0º and Tr Uranus opose Sun!

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V. interesting! I don't think people would normally think of a Saturn-Uranus opp as a pleasantly stabilizing aspect, but looks like it can work like that. My SO and I have that in our wedding chart.

You had such sweet, loving transits on the day he gave you a ring.

I see you had t.Ceres on your c.VENUS. My SO and I also had that on the day we exchanged rings!

posted October 19, 2010 02:41 PM            

Yes, you genius, he does.

I'm certain I wouldn't be compatible with a Taurus who lacked a strong Uranus influence.

In general, I get along best with others who are cool with Uranus. I think we all have a high tolerance for adrenaline bursts, surprises, and life's periodic chaos.

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Uranus is usually supportive of me, as well - it's when Uranus is influencing someone else, that the rug usually gets pulled out from under me

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posted October 19, 2010 03:13 PM            

Transiting Ceres was conjunct my natal Valentine, and trine the C. Venus, when he tried to 'make nice' in August. Way too late for me, considering, but the astrology can be fascinating when I look back on it. (We really started to get to know each other, when transiting Uranus was conjunct his natal Venus, and the C. Jupiter/descendant, and Venus crossed his Sun/Moon and my descendant. I wrote elsewhere that I want to slap myself silly, but I want to do the same thing to him. His Sun/Moon is conjunct my Destinn/descendant, so I think we were meant to meet and play a significant role for each other, for a while.)

posted October 20, 2010 07:19 AM              

did you also saw groom and briede in your parents chart when they married?

seems that Uranus was also a good and positive influence to your parent´s chart n IC and it meant not any break up or sudden change to worse,but instead a sudden change to stability!!

NN and Sun means literally the coming of a very important male figure into one´s life isnt it...at least when I met JOhn i had that too,and it was a very good sign.

that Ceres/Juno is incredible.more so because they are a soulmate pair,but look at that exact conjuntion of DW´s..!it seems to show that since your parents married,their relationship was based on nurturing each other as the two perfect committed partners: till death do us apart kind of thing.

Valentine/SN : definately a true love that came from the past too.and they must feel each other strongly,since the aura was conected to valentine too perhaps?

my favorite sabyan is the psyche/DSC of course...

posted October 20, 2010 07:35 AM              

Tr NN/Kiron cj C.Osiris: this man that appeared might have awakened some wounds?and has the power to heal too?

Tr Uranus cj C.isis/aura/ceres. the 3 asteroids here just by being cj each other tells me that somehow there is a profound nurturing quality,relating to the woman´s celestial body perhaps? she embodies the perfect soulmate that probably was "awaken" by the uranus transit there?

tr pallas cj kiron...hmmm was there something suddently aknowledged that moment that somehow might have triggered some wound that already existed?

mars on karma might show that some energy,or action that the 1st meeting triggered,was karmic?or as mars stands for "man" can also mean the appearing of the man as someone that was karmically tied to the woman?

jupiter on Moon shows a luck/expansion quality to what concerns emotions?or women?

neptune with psyche...something was happening on what concerns the spiritual side of the two persons...? a dreamy,fantasy feeling that might have happened deep inside of the two?

SN with Saturn:both have to do with pastlife as the saturn is also known as the lord of karma...and in the 7th had to do with relationships.

Aura was on saturn so here is also another hint torwards the spiritual side that was being triggered in this...with conection with the past.

the most exact aspect:juno with sun it deepens the thing i thought: juno as signifying the perfect committed partner,and sun signifying the "man",somehow this shows that this could very well be someone from the past,that embodies all the qualities that the woman finds to be perfect,in a man.

posted October 20, 2010 08:05 AM            

Our first meeting was when Pluto was square on our composite ascendant (1)

We first got together when the Moon was transiting our composite Sun and Moon and Chiron trine our comp asc
Venus also trine comp mer and Sun

When we had our first child...
The main featured transit was Saturn opposing our composite Mars (in 5th house) exact. The Moon was also conjunct Saturn but with a 4degree orb.... so tr Moon also opposite composite Mars in 5th...
The Sun was also opposite our Comp Neptune (3)
and Pluto conjunct comp Neptune(1) in our composite 4th house.

This was our first
child... and it was an extremely difficult adjustment to make for the relationship but one that saw us make a home and begin to raise children.... hence transits effecting composite 4th and 5th house.

Our second child's birth saw these tranists to our composite...
Sun and nnode conjunct exact opposite comp ascendant...(which also conjuncts my natal venus and his natal mars)
Uranus also conjunct the nnode and Sun (2) and made an opposition to the comp asc (2)
This was a very different scenario and we were not in a good place in our relationship prior to the birth but the birth heralded a positive change in our relationship.

So the birth of my second son showed transits to the comp asc and dc..

The asc and ic angles were transited during both births.
The Uranus transit hit us hard, it is still in our comp 7th house but we are dealing with it differently and the issue of freedom, individuality, how I can be me in a relationship is very strong.

posted October 20, 2010 08:21 AM            

Tr Boda was exacty conjunct c-Groom

But that was about it.

" seems that Uranus was also a good and positive influence to your parent´s chart n IC and it meant not any break up or sudden change to worse,but instead a sudden change to stability!!"
Yes, I think Uranus just means sudden change. But not necessarily break up. It could also be a change INTO a relationship.

"NN and Sun means literally the coming of a very important male figure into one´s life isnt it"
In natal transits maybe, but since this is a composite I wouldn`t interprete it that way. In the Composite the Sun means the SELF, the core energy, of the relationship, and so far I think it needs to be triggered big time to bring a relationship "to life" or even a connection.

For example; when I coincidentally met Paul, Tr Neptune was conjunct c-Sun (yes, it WAS dreamy. lol).

When I crossed Andy`s as well as Jude`s path, in both cases Tr Pluto was exactly conjunct c-Sun.

So for my parents that probably meant that the fated connection or future oriented connection (Transniting NN) was being brought into action.

"that Ceres/Juno is incredible.more so because they are a soulmate pair,but look at that exact conjuntion of DW´s..!"
Not sure if I see it.

Well, Jupiter/Juno is the soulmate pair, did you maybe mistype?
Don`t know where you see the DW?

Though I see that the transits were bringing an already existing composite aspect into life, by Transit Juno being conjunct c-Jupiter and trine c-Juno.

"it seems to show that since your parents married,their relationship was based on nurturing each other as the two perfect committed partners: till death do us apart kind of thing."
Yes, well, at least for the last 36 years. lol
Interestingly my own Ceres is on 9.3 Pisces and Jupiter is on 11.1 Pisces.
My middle brother`s Venus is on 11 Pisces, and my youngest brother`s Sun is on 15 Pisces.

All of that seems to relate to the marriage date`s stellium of Juno and Ceres on 9 Pisces, composite Jupiter on 9 Pisces, and marriage date`s Jupiter on 14 Pisces.

"Valentine/SN : definately a true love that came from the past too.and they must feel each other strongly,since the aura was conected to valentine too perhaps?"
I think so.

"my favorite sabyan is the psyche/DSC of course... "
Yes, mine, too. Well, I rectified my mum`s birthtime because it was only roughly known but it seems I did a fairly good job.