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Peri
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posted October 19, 2010 11:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eros # 433 represents life drives, the purpose of which is to constantly create more links between living beings. Eros is the force "which ensures the unity and cohesion of everything existing in the world". The sum of all instincts for self-preservation.
2. intimate love; love at first sight
3 also marital love, is passionate love, with sensual desire and longing
4. It is the 'desire for wholeness,' which is necessary for us to become in-tune with our selves. By understanding 'passionate love' and the 'desire for wholeness' as 'psychic relatedness,' Jung demonstrates that the desire for love is a desire for interconnection and interaction with other sentient beings
5. force that connects a person to the devine, human love
6. in a male’s chart - drive to involvement in the world

Psyche # 16 represents our innermost self; personality, our soul body
The center of thought, feeling, and motivation, consciously and unconsciously directing the body's reactions to its social and physical environment; the development of feminine in both women and men
1.to intimidate or frighten psychologically, or make nervous (often fol. by out): to psych out the competition.
2.to prepare psychologically to be in the right frame of mind or to give one's best (often fol. by up): to psych oneself up for an interview.
3.to figure out psychologically; decipher (often fol. by out): to psych out a problem

Eros and Psyche aspects in a natal chart and transits may represent:

• Aspects of anima/animus development
• Aspects of soul-making
• Psychological ordeals in search of completion
• Transformative anima/aminus
• Linking personal self to beyond
• Overall process of psychological transformation
• Development of mature consciousness
• Depression which frequently accompanies psychological development (stressful aspects!)
• Difficulty involved in this integrative process

Jung: ' ..It is only through Psyche that we can establish that God acts upon us but we are unable to distinguish whether these actions emanate from God or from the unconscious...'

'...without Eros she (Psyche) is ripe with potential but isolated – she has no real relationship to another person or the devine.' ~ James Gollnick

'With Psyche, then, there appears a new love principle, in which the encounter between feminine and masculine is revealed as the basis of individuation' ~ Erich Neumann

When one partner doesn't fulfill expectations, the addictive yearning to experience the specialness of the Self changes into an indifference to the other which is not genuine. This is a reactionary defense against the Self in that both the unique and fragmentary periods produce pain for the ego. It is difficult for the ego to "live up" to the idealized image, also.
There is a pressure on the ego to live the demands of the Self, or cut them off entirely in a negative defensive move. Longing and disappointment change to seeming indifference and then the person begins to seek outward. This is a compulsive drive to recreate the appearance of the Self through yet another lover. The feeling of jealousy in the deserted party comes from feeling possessive of the lover as something of one's own, and experiencing the loss of Self, or even fear of the loss of Self. The type of attachment that believes the other is responsible for the experience of the specialness of the self leads inevitably to painful separations.
There is a "way of being together" in which both partners maintain separate identities. They are distinct, yet conjoined. In this liberated experience there is emotional intensity combined with detachment from compulsion. When each person experiences the Self with some degree of autonomy from identification with the ego, there is reduction of the strain in maintaining the Self of the other. We cease to make such exaggerated demands on one another. We let go of the reactionary stage of power struggles, and become emotionally independent.
The power-struggles (counterdependence) in relationship aren't for power, per se. They are manipulations and desperate maneuverings of the partners to maintain their individual sense of Self. These struggles are a natural stage which comes prior to true independence, individuation, or self-actualization. True lovers are partners as well as friends and lovers -- head and heart, feeling and intellect combine.

In the Greek myth of Eros and Psyche, Psyche's story is about the growth of the soul that began with her decision to face the truth, and led her to being on her own, challenged to complete tasks that were initially beyond her ability to perform. In the myth, her unseen bridegroom would come to her in the dark of the night and be gone by morning. Metaphorically, she was in an unconscious relationship. Fearing that he could be a monster, Psyche followed her sister's advice, hid a lamp and a knife, and waited until he had fallen asleep. She needed the lamp to see him, and the knife to cut off his head if indeed her were a monster."
These two symbols, the lamp and the knife, are both necessary for a psyche--for a soul--to act decisively when we know the truth. The 'lamp' is a symbol of illumination, of consciousness, the means of seeing a situation clearly. The knife, like the sword, is a symbol of decisive action, of the capacity to cut through confusion. The lamp without the knife is not adequate; it is insight into the situation with the capacity to act upon this perception."
Myths and symbols are in the language of the soul. A myth helps us to take a situation to heart and know what we must do: if it is to see the truth and act upon it, then the image of Psyche with her sword provides a magic perspective. A symbolic object can then be a talisman that helps us to do what we need to do. Like passing a literal torch, these are rituals that empower us by infusing an act with a deeper meaning. To think and act this way is magical, metaphoric thinking that can call forth the qualities we need from within ourselves and may also tap into sources of help that lie beyond us. " ~ Jean Shinoda-Bolin

The action of the archetype of anima/animus means that we project our unconscious idea of the All-Woman or All-Man onto an individual in whom we see this ideal essence. No single person can be the carrier of all the divine attributes or qualities we project onto them. When they fail to live up to our unconscious expectations, the process of consciousness raising begins. The Venus function is a lens which can magnify or distort. The story of Eros and Psyche reveals a process of deep metamorphosis and renewal where all the values of the feeling function, emotional life, and moral standards gradually gain new significance and purpose.
Female figures are sometimes polarized as light and dark anima figures. If we view the young man as the immature ego, this card can also represent a woman with a split between the physical and spiritual aspects of love. Sometimes this dynamic becomes concretized, "acted out," in life through a love triangle.
The animus is the masculine personification of the soul. He carries both a transcendent spiritual aspect and a personal aspect. He is shown in the tale as a beautiful creature, whom Psyche is at first convinced is a terrible monster-- sort of an "all men are beasts" programming. Later, she learns his true nature. Anima/animus are potential guides to the depths of the unconscious, forming a bridge to daily life. They are factors which transcend consciousness, both light and dark. So in a relationship which seems to have everything going for it, there can be friction or "animosity" produced by the unconscious forces (complexes) operating below the surface.
Most of these troubles stem from projecting the anima/animus image onto our loved ones, then maneuvering them into fulfilling our expectations. Internal conflicts come from the split nature of anima/animus which we experience in modern life. This again revolves mainly around the gulf between the "spiritual" and "sensual" aspects of the inner figure.
There is a "change of heart." Eros moves from sexual objectification toward soulful love; Psyche from projection of her masculine qualities toward empowerment. Emotionally, they act out the dynamic of the puer/puella immature relationship in the meantime. This naturally leads toward active introspection on the mental level, which results in spiritual consciousness raising--a renewed sense of empathy and compassion.
The challenge is to connect our spiritual and emotional life, through passionate involvement in all of life. Then we find ourselves in a new relationship with others and in harmony with ourselves, facing each individual conflict and suffering through it to its resolution or transcendence. By facing our fears and pains - becoming conscious of our conflicts - we can find peace. New realizations appear in their embryonic stage as conflicts which offer us choices in life. These decision points become either our life's path or roads-not-taken.
Eros, like Fate, is symbolic of the fatal power of attraction which brings opposites together. He is the incarnating life principle, which ushers in the irrational, passionate intensity which makes transformation possible. He "turns up the heat" on the psychic process; he is that spiritual or divine fire which can unite with instinct.
This balancing is a form of sacred marriage, a union which produces a magickal child which is the higher Self, much like Eros and Psyche give birth to Voluptas, deep and abiding pleasure or satisfaction.

* more about Eros and Psyche in ‘Love and the soul: psychological interpretations of the Eros and Psyche myth’ by James Gollnick

* also http://zero-point.tripod.com/pantheon/ErosPsyche.html

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Quinnie
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posted October 20, 2010 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Quinnie     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for this Peri.... some heavy reading but it is essential for deeper insight... now how to interpret it in a synastry or natal chart....

Eros and psyche aspects are not big in my synastry. They are however big with potential friendships that could have become more. Perhaps both I and the other person were not ready for such transformation?
In my current relationship my Eros trines his
Mars and his Psyche trines my ascendant.Initially it was physical attraction that brought us together.

My Eros in Scorpio means that I have been attracted to water men with psyche in an air sign to match my Sun and Moon?

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posted October 20, 2010 07:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, Peri.
Again, you give wonderful info

I have Eros conjunct Venus. I don't have a sense of it in a way I can appreciate what it is.

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posted October 20, 2010 09:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think you will get more insight into your natal Eros and Psyche is you look at Tropical placements together with Draconic.

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posted October 20, 2010 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Peri
I never got as far as a Draconic

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posted October 20, 2010 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ami,

you should. You are missing out on a deeper soullayer. The Draco`s where giving me the most outstanding AHA-moments in astrology.

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posted October 20, 2010 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow DD
I respect your opinion.
I was going gang busters on House rulers and then lost my steam and started going gang busters in studying Spanish

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posted June 13, 2011 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sunshine9     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the information, Peri.. *bump* for Asteroid Forum

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