posted October 20, 2010 04:49 PM         

Ptolemy was the author of several scientific treatises, at least three of which were of continuing importance to later Islamic and European science. The first is the astronomical treatise now known as the Almagest (in Greek, Ἡ Μεγάλη Σύνταξις, "The Great Treatise", originally Μαθηματικὴ Σύνταξις, "Mathematical Treatise"). The second is the Geography, which is a thorough discussion of the geographic knowledge of the Greco-Roman world. The third is the astrological treatise known sometimes in Greek as the Apotelesmatika (Ἀποτελεσματικά , more commonly in Greek as the Tetrabiblos (Τετράβιβλος "Four books"), and in Latin as the Quadripartitum (or four books) in which he attempted to adapt horoscopic astrology to the Aristotelian natural philosophy of his day.

According to Wikipedia:

Ptolemy's treatise on astrology, known in Greek as both the Apotelesmatika ("Astrological Outcomes" or "Effects") and "Tetrabiblios" ("Four Books"), and in Latin as the Quadripartitum ("Four books"), was the most popular astrological work of antiquity and also had great influence in the Islamic world and the medieval Latin West. It was first translated from Arabic into Latin by Plato of Tivoli (Tiburtinus), while he was in Spain (FA Robbins, 1940; Thorndike 1923). The Tetrabiblos is an extensive and continually reprinted treatise on the ancient principles of horoscopic astrology in four books (Greek tetra means "four", biblos is "book"). That it did not quite attain the unrivaled status of the Almagest was perhaps because it did not cover some popular areas of the subject, particularly electional astrology (interpreting astrological charts for a particular moment to determine the outcome of a course of action to be initiated at that time), and medical astrology, which were later adoptions.

The great popularity that the Tetrabiblos did possess might be attributed to its nature as an exposition of the art of astrology and as a compendium of astrological lore, rather than as a manual. It speaks in general terms, avoiding illustrations and details of practice. Ptolemy was concerned to defend astrology by defining its limits, compiling astronomical data that he believed was reliable and dismissing practices (such as considering the numerological significance of names) that he believed to be without sound basis.

Much of the content of the Tetrabiblos was collected from earlier sources; Ptolemy's achievement was to order his material in a systematic way, showing how the subject could, in his view, be rationalized. It is, indeed, presented as the second part of the study of astronomy of which the Almagest was the first, concerned with the influences of the celestial bodies in the sublunar sphere. Thus explanations of a sort are provided for the astrological effects of the planets, based upon their combined effects of heating, cooling, moistening, and drying.

Ptolemy's astrological outlook was quite practical: he thought that astrology was like medicine, that is conjectural, because of the many variable factors to be taken into account: the race, country, and upbringing of a person affects an individual's personality as much if not more than the positions of the Sun, Moon, and planets at the precise moment of their birth, so Ptolemy saw astrology as something to be used in life but in no way relied on entirely.

I totally agree with his way of Astrology. But in my Chart Ptolemaeus is in a stellum with my Spirit/Saturn/Asc/NorthNode/Angel/Valentineclosely conjuncting Spirit and Saturn.
But here is what is interesting it is conjunct Spirit by one degree and opposes my Giza and Name Asteroid by 1 degre.
And this stellum at my Ascendant is exactly trined by my Atlantis Asteroid.
And it opposes my Descendant stellum of Interkosmos/Aura/Giza/Name Asteroid/Osiris/Family Name Asteroid/Ptah.
It is an Energy that exists very much intergrated into my Aura.

And I am strongly connected to Egyptian Astrology...lately in my dreams I have been recieving the most interesting instructions from Lion Beings
...almost like lesson plans...and from what I can tell in the questions Im allowed to answer is that Astrology tells exactly how our Energy is.....unprogrammed....
A good example is an organic apple it has a sweeter taste has more vitamins and minerals and gives your body a boost when it isnt genetically modified.
All of us upon entering this reality become somewhat "genetically modified"...
But by turning inward and using every tool at our disposal we can strip away our programming and learn to live as we were meant to live...free of the Karmic wheel and able to take our place as Co-creators of this Universe.

So this Asteroid means alot to me. It is in my 12th house..how appropriate as I feel like I have finally come full circle from the darkness that ensued from my Atlantean/Egyptian life line.
And Im curious based on its placements in your charts, how do you view Astrology and its purpose now.

posted October 20, 2010 05:11 PM         

you`re digging up really interesting asteroids.

posted October 20, 2010 06:53 PM         

Not entirely sure what it means, will read the entire first post first

posted October 20, 2010 07:09 PM         

Glad you brought this to light. This asteroid is conjunct my Sun by 2.5 degrees, squares my Jupiter by even less. I never would have thought that.

It opposes my Mars by 1 degree.

posted October 20, 2010 07:25 PM         

Still, no Astrology or Astrologos asteroid. Shame...

Oh, and Ptolemy is opposed to my mercury as well, with just over 2°. Aren't asteroids supposed to have a 1° orb, though?

posted October 20, 2010 07:48 PM         

Geo...
Right he was...it was wild to remember this name from my dreams and then find the Asteroid and then to have it figure so tightly in my chart...
I propose the same question since it conjunct your Sun and Opposes your parts...this gives me a very personal read for you.
Because you have a very "non mystical" approach to Astrology almost in such a way there are certain aspects of being considered an "Astrologer" as it is thought of stereotypically is something you shy away from.
Your type of Astrology is very Egyptian too...where do Giza, Ptah, Osiris, Isis, Horus, Bast, Sphinx, and Anubis fall in your chart. ...any connection to Ptolemaeus or Atlantis.
Im just saying considering that Spirit led you to me...so in many ways your initiated my first steps in to multidimensional awareness...thats pretty huge actually...

posted October 20, 2010 07:57 PM         

Or, at least, that's the purpose that I find for Astrology in my life

I have noticed that quite a lot of other people (present company excluded, because I doubt any of us use sun sign astrology much) seem to focus too much on the sun sign astrology and take it all as being set in stone, and that Astrology in their lives, seems to fulfill the purpose of being a good excuse to go out/break up with someone, or judge someone... which I'm very much against

posted October 21, 2010 04:32 AM         

The most interesting
Solar Arc moon today in conj 21,27 in cancer

Second progress ptolemaeus 10,30 in leo conj my PR venus 10,39 conj my PR proserpina 9,12 conj my Natal AC 10,43 conj my Natal Sun 10,47.

posted October 21, 2010 05:14 AM         

I think for me astrology helps me understand what is going inter- or intrapersonally better, in a more objective way.
Since we are still lacking some objectivity concerning astrology this could be the very reason for me to find a reliable systematic approach to astrology.

On top of that I like the synchronicity, which pervades the whole existence.

But really if I had to narrow it down, I would say it is about understanding how and why things, people, relationships are the way they are. And I am talking about the truth that is at the core, not some superficial belief we cling to, because it is comfortable.

posted October 21, 2010 08:20 AM         

HOw are you doing?youve been kind of disappeared from LL...

PTolemaeus is at 17scorp in my 2ndH.wide ( 5º) oposes my Moon and Osiris in the 7th.

sextiles my Horus/Hathor and trines my Interkosmos/Angel.

squares my karma/logos/Valentine in 11th

DRACONIC

MY PTO is at 25 Leo.Cj my n.Venus

As you nkow i also had some pastlifes in Egypth,as well as in Babylon/Sumeria,and as so,i also know that in Egypth i was ( along with John) an astronomer/astrologer that studied the stars.

many of the past lifes i had i was a seer,like Lexx lexigrammed,and again,astrology had for me a very important role.

i went to see the natal/draco:

the pto opose d.alma/moon
d.nepthrys cj n.ic and nepthrys cj d.NN
ptah cj d.mc
d.ic cj seth
d.anubis cj mars/valent/karma/logos and d.sat/plto cj n.Ubast and seckmeth
d.horus/hathor cj n.NN
d.logos/karma/mars/valent/ cj n.alma/moon´
d.ubast & seckmet cj n.Osiris
d.isis/nn cj n.DSC

i have many interactions here...and years ago i wouldnt say what i say today but: i feel that i carried into this lifetime many things i learned in my Egypthian lives.
it is not a coincidence but tonight i dreamt of an Egypthian life: dont remember much but something was being built.i felt it was the Pyramiths...i was a noble woman,brown skin and dark hair and i remember being lifted in a "carriage" with more two women,by slaves.

posted October 21, 2010 08:34 AM         

i dont see it necessarily as a prediction tool cause one single aspect has many different meanings.and we always have Free Will to change the dynamic itself.

i agree with you when you say that we have the Choice.

but when you say we are born unprogrammed..dont really know about that...in some books ive been reading closely,it says that we are born with no past memory,in order for us to de-program ourselves from the past and ofr us not to identify ourselves with who we WERE.cause we are not our past,only our present.

that in order for us to live life the best way - to experience ourselves- we must start from the scratch.that is why we "forget who we were".it was only another experience and we continue along the wyaa now.

but...there are somethings that we are sort of "programmed" to do: since we are born,others make us belief in this false matrix and we start to "loose" our faith/belief in ourselves,as you say so well,as the Creators of ouw own reality.

and many times we also transport some traumas,things that hold us back in tis lifetime,that we transport from the past,at a spiritual level.

posted October 21, 2010 07:48 PM         

also see discussion at http://darkstarastrology.com/asteroid-urania-goddess-astrology/

posted October 22, 2010 11:01 AM         

you wrote:
"but when you say we are born unprogrammed..dont really know about that...in some books ive been reading closely,it says that we are born with no past memory,in order for us to de-program ourselves from the past and ofr us not to identify ourselves with who we WERE.cause we are not our past,only our present.

that in order for us to live life the best way - to experience ourselves- we must start from the scratch.that is why we "forget who we were".it was only another experience and we continue along the wyaa now.

but...there are somethings that we are sort of "programmed" to do: since we are born,others make us belief in this false matrix and we start to "loose" our faith/belief in ourselves,as you say so well,as the Creators of ouw own reality.

and many times we also transport some traumas,things that hold us back in tis lifetime,that we transport from the past,at a spiritual level.

so,in one way and in the another,we are at birth free and pure,but since that moment on,we start to be programmed again..."

Consider this tibbit that what you said brought to mind.
I read this a while back but it resonated strongly with me

"GEMS OF WISDOM
All the religions of the world are correct by their
viewpoint. The religion
which investigates, ‘Who am I?’ and ‘Who is the doer?’
is the final religion. This is the absolute religion. Absolute
religion imparts liberation.
Once the wrong belief that ‘I am the doer’ is destroyed
and the nature of the real doer is known, all our puzzles are
solved.
Gnan is knowing ‘Who I am’ and ‘Who I am not’.
‘I’ and ‘My’ are always separate. There is not a single
characteristic of ‘I’ in ‘My’, or ‘My’ in ‘’I’.
‘My’ can only be understood exactly once ‘I’ is realized.
The slightest element of ‘My’ is an illusion.
Knowing ‘Who am I?’ results in the loss of ego.
Otherwise it is not possible.
It is impossible to know the Self through one’s own
efforts. This is because the ego is required for any effort.
It is not important to make one realize that ‘I am not the
doer’. It is important to realize that ‘I am the pure Self’.

Jai Sat Chit Anand"

Its stands Diandra that you are not the Diandra you were born into this world as, YOU..the Real you are but a stream of consciousness borrowing a name and body for a time.
You are Diandra right now. In this
Diandra there is both ‘I’ and ‘My’. They are like the two railway lines of ‘I’ and ‘My’; they always run together yet
they are always separate. They are always parallel and never become one. Despite this we believe them to be one. This is
due to the ignorance or unawareness of our true identity and the lack of knowledge or faith in the continuity of our own existence.
Having understood this, separate the ‘My’. Keep all that comesunder ‘My’ to one side.

And eventualy you will find the pure unprogrammed Energy that is you...always has been you and always will be.
This is the reason I beleive that we do not choose our charts.....we set an intention as a stream of Energy incarnating from a higher dimension into an illusion...as it passes into this dimension it is as the mercy of this 3D World. And all this 3D world is, is just Scientific Circumstantial Evidence, and our charts tell us what this body is gonna do while its here....when we learn to sit back and watch we pull ourselves off the Karmic wheel...because we realize we have NO control.
All this has come about without anybody creating it. Nobody has created it. Since nobody has created it, then who can we ask about it?
I have been searching for the "One" who has
created such a chaotic mess and taken on such a liability for all my streams of existences. I looked everywhere for that Person, but I still havent found Him yet.
From what I have been learning lately God has become more impersonal and is
present in all things that are naturally created. Therefore, God resides in every creature whether visible or invisible. Between you and I there are infinite invisible creatures, which cannot
be seen even under a microscope. God resides in all of them. Now what does God do? He only gives light to every living
being. How to utilize that light is up to each individual. Whether one performs good deeds, like giving alms, or bad deeds, like
stealing or cheating; one does so at one’s own risk. You are free to use this light for whatever purpose you want to.

This is why Ami Annes question of did we choose our chart has been perplexing for me.
Because I believe we do in a sense..I believe we set a certain intention before we incarnate...but once the planning is done all we can do is sit back and watch.
Again trying to control **** just creates more Karma....just taking reponsiblity for all the "good" things that happen does too.

The best way I have heard it explained is this
"This ‘instrumental ‘doership’ can be further defined as a
parliamentary process where the final decision is based on
collective votes and where each individual has only one vote.
Thus your vote is one of many in the final outcome. But you
believe that ‘I am doing this’ so you become the ‘doer’.
The ‘planning’ occurs in
this way: You yourself are the ‘planner’ and this planning is
the final signature (endorsement); the ‘doership’ is only in the
‘planning’ stage, but this fact is unknown to the whole world.
In other words, all that materializes in front of us, in this life, is
a result of planning in the past life through deep inner
intent. The only place for doership is in the intention that is set..
The output of this small ‘computer’ (Diandra), then
becomes the input into the giant ‘computer’ of Scientific
Circumstantial Evidence. In this manner, the planning is fed into the giant computer. The giant computer
then gives forth the effects of this ‘planning’. All the events in
one’s life are an effect. The discharge in the present life is the
result of causes created in the past life. Nothing in this life is
under one’s control. It is under the control of ‘other hands’.
Once the ‘planning’ is done, it is then out of the hands of the
‘planner’ and falls under the control of ‘other hands’. These
‘other hands’ (Scientific Circumstantial Evidence), play a part
in bringing forth the effects. So the effects may be different
from the planning. The unfolding of the effects is entirely in
‘other hands’. This is a very subtle point"

posted October 22, 2010 12:30 PM         

i think i got it but not perfectly yet..:P

posted October 23, 2010 08:08 AM         

this is what i feel about it:

i have no specified religion too.why?because i am my own religion,in the way that i do not believe that we will find our answers in the outside,by what others want us to believe in,and live by.

so i take bits and bits of something here,something there,that i feel hold the Truth for me.

In order for me to know "Who i am",i must 1st know who "i am not";that is why this matrix was created,and why it "exists" seperation.
the truth is that...seperation is only an illusion that we were made to believe. the separation that you are saying - the "my" and the "i" - i guess you+re talkin about the I in the sense of true Self,and the My in the sense of the Ego?

our ego self is the one that identifies itself with the pronoum of possessiveness,of "Having",of wanting to have,instead of just "Being".

till some time now that i was also aware that only with the loss of our ego,we would be able to really perceive "who i am"...but since i wactched this video ,that im really pondering what is the real deal here.

cause if you think about it,trueself is all about Integration,and not separation,right?

so...if we try to detatch and ignore or separate ourselves from our Ego,are we really acting from an integrative perspective?no...so if it possible for us to integrate our ego,and nurture it like a child - that it is - wouldnt we be doing something more in accordance to who we really are?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtXqJAyr-qs&feature=related

posted October 23, 2010 08:26 AM         

who i am is not what i have,or the things i identify with.yes.but in part,the ego is a reflection of me,although it isnst necessarily "Me".im starting to see that possibly,in order to know Myself.i dont need to "destroy the ego self" infact i dont think we can.
i can perceive myself as not my Ego,but also with the awareness that the ego is an integrative part of Me.perhaps not me in the metaphysical sense,but a "me" in the psysical realm.

but see: our charts reflect what we choose to Be in this experience of Now.-so in that way,we choose it.and as i believe in ourselves as the creators of our own reality,by being aware of the chart´s influences,we can really re-direct those,and in a way,be able to change it too.

this is a bit complex but....the Ego wants to control,and the ego wants it cause its needy,its an egoic child inside us.who wants to be pleased at all times,right?

by being aware of that,i can suimply laugh and sit back as an Observer,while i perceive my EGo mechanisms,everytime a situation is here in the Now.i can detatch in that moment,and by that,the Ego has no control,right? but..."I" Have.

not that I want to control anything,im not eager for the power itself.im only doing what im suppose to - creating the reality,and experiencing Life the best way i can .

and WHy search for God/creative Spirit? it cannot be looked for,cause infact He/She was never hidden. we look at him/her everytime we look in the mirror

i believe that as we were created at his image,we are Mini-Gods,we are the genies in the lamp and we are ALaddin at the same time.

God gaves us that Gift,but we forget it once we start to enter this reality frame 3D. God give us the opportunity once again - and we asked for it in the Light - and so we Come again. we sen the intention,and its up to us to experience Life the best way we can.

the key here,to me is awareness.is looking outside the box,and "somewhere over the rainbow" like Dorothy or Alice in wonderland that goes down in the rabbit Hole.Once we do that,we wont ever see or live life the same way again.
that was what i picked sometime ago,ayear ago.

of course,this is just my own way of perceiving things. i cannot say that i will see it this way till the end of my life,cause im able to change it all over again.but...as long as i believe it now,it is also being the things i have been experiencing.it is now the truth that i beliebe in.

posted October 23, 2010 02:38 PM         

Astrowizard 25.59 Can, 8th house
Ptolemaeus 6.45 Vir, 9th house
Urania 13.9 Vir, 9th house
Stargazer 29.30 Lib, 11th house

Sabians:
26 Can - The magnificent , luxurious library of some wealthy home is revealed; among the cushions several guests are reading.

7 Vir - The women's quarters of an Oriental palace are revealed; here are the bright and unafraid eyes of cloistered souls.

14 Vir - A large sheet of parchment is covered with finely lettered names and mysterious lines; it is a splendid family tree.

30 Lib - The phrenologist is reading bumps for his clients; he explains three mounds of knowledge on a philosophers head.

Astrowizard is conjunct my Sun
Ptolemaeus/Urania is conjunct my Destinn
Stargazer is conjunct my North Node/Neptune

Well...I guess I know what I am supposed to be when I grow up!