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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Hi you all Astro Wizards
I'm really into astrology and have followed this forum from distance. I'm a really newbie to synastry and composite and have tried in vain to make anything out of my own charts. So if there is anybody who could check out these synastry and composite charts and give opinion if there is a possibility for a long term /soulmate connection here?
I went through a really horrible break up two years back and haven't been able to connect with anyone ever since. Now I've met this really guy who I find a really stron connection but am scared if since he has venus in aries and sag in mars if he's somebody who bolts off really easily. Any advice and insight would be greatly appreciated. I've had a really horrendous things happening to me relationshipwise - everything seems to be well and then totally out of the blue something really weird and crazy happens. I'd really like to be in a strong relationship but all the burns are getting to me. Please help and thanks in advance. Any info helps.
here are our composite and synastry charts

Synastry here:

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I am newer than many here but I am gonna jump in and ask you some things.
I see a powerhouse relationship like in "Mega" lol
I assume he is on the outside in red.He has Pluto, moon,Jupiter and Uranus in your 12th house.
Right there, you and he have a intuitive,psychic bond.
Does the relationship feel like "home" i.e like an effortless kind of belonging, like your "cells" belong lol

Then, his Chiron in on his NN. I am not that familiar with what this would in a way I can describe in words.

I am thinking he may be powerful as a deep person OR he may be struggling with wounds that won't heal, endlessly struggling.

His Sun is on your Chiron conjunct Mercury. This seems really, really powerful for good or bad.
Do you feel he is sucking the life out of you OR bringing himself to nurture your wounds or both,perhaps.

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Lara
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posted October 21, 2010 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
wow! Look at how teeny weeny your 1st and 7th houses are. I would look at the rulers of those houses to see how they synastrically aspect

Also, sun on DC, NN on MC is good. Moon cj Uranus could be irratic emotionally and pluto opposing moon. Power struggles or control over the other emotionally. I see a lot of friction and power struggles in this synastry.

In composite, saturn cj MC EXACT! Venus at 29' capricorn, critical degree. SO many harsh aspects to the sun, moon and mercury. ouch! I think a relationship like this will end up with you absolutely hating each other. Sorry

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much. I feel very at home with him and then he suddenly pulls away. He can stir my emotions very strongly and I'm scared of my own strong feelings for him. Everything is only in the beginning but as said, I don't fall easily for anyone and as moon in Pisces live a lot of possible horror scenarios in my head. I try to learn away from that. I'd be interested to know more about this really strong pull. As venus in Sco I always carry this fear of being suddenly abandoned and I don't with him if it is more than likely?

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Feenix
Could you could describe,in words, how the relationship feels?

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
I feel that he's (for once) somebody who is really normal ( I have a tendency to meet really original men) and that at the same time he's like a strong, independent warrior who on the other hand might suffer from weird insecurities, lacks a bit of patience. With him I feel there is s great physical tension, he makes me feel that he wants to protect me and takes care of me. I feel very at ease when together with him. I trust him, which is funny since I don't trust anybody easily. He's a really responsible guy and takes really good care of his two boys and is in good terms with his ex. But I have this feeling that in some way he has missed out on life and together we could experience great adventures and kind of live life to the max. But as said, I don't know what will be since this is very recent. We met during full moon. Does this help?You're so kind to help. I greatly appreciate it. Thank you.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for appreciating me . That means a lot!
Well, I am curious about his Chiron on your Sun.
I had that with my mother and it was VERY painful for me.
Her Sun(her ego) was coming to my Chiron which is(my wounded parts) and wanting to heal HERSELF from it.

Chiron is hard to figure out. It can heal others from it's wounds but it never gets healed.

Doe any of that fit?

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
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lalalinda
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posted October 21, 2010 01:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hello Feenix! Welcome to LL

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I'm a very spiritual person and have forced/chosen to go through a LOT of homework. One of the things that I'm still learning has to do with attachment. When I'm into somebody, I'm really into them and don't see anybody else. Crazy loyalty. The problem is that I might abandon my own goals/needs in order to make the other person feel good. So that has been my focus in this karmic lifetime. But for the first time, I'm really firmly standing on my own yoga path and nothing will pull me away from it. The healing might have to do with learning to be with somebody "securily" in "insecurity". I write this via intuition. He really shakes up my self confidence, in good and bad that is.Can you see any long term potential here? Should I post some other charts? I can do some tarot readings in turn since my astro skills aren't that good (not with you wizards). And mind you, I'm not somebody looking for easy relationships, i'm really ready to work for them. In the past the circumstances have come to destroy things. Like with my ex who I really thought was my soulmate suddenly turned into Christian fundamentalism and suddenly I was from satan and he dumped me via email

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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2010 02:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
This sounds weird to write on an astrology website, but I've been coming here for years and watching people's stories unfold as they post different synastry charts, and I believe this.

Asking for outside advice about the synastry and composite of a relationship that's less than, let's say, five or even ten years old is a huge red flag. (Ditto with tarot readings, etc, or even analyzing it a lot with friends.)

In 88.8% of cases, it means that you aren't getting the reassurance you need from the connection between you. So you need an outside party to say, "Your chart/tarot reading/my opinion shows that he really does like and want you, even though he's sending major mixed signals" or "Here's how to better work with the relationship to alleviate that vague feeling of insecurity."

Many people say they just want more insight...but what's really going on in most cases is that, instead of getting closer and more intimate within the relationship by talking to each other and working out issues or uncertainties together/in person, they want some outside source to offer validation.

It can be an issue in the natal. There are people who post here literally every two months with a new soul mate or twin flame that they have amazing synastry with...they list their asteroid conjunctions over pages and pages...and then when a month later it doesn't work out, sometimes because they've never even met in person!, they rationalize it with all sorts of stuff about spiritual and karmic and past-life connections.

There are others (like me, unfortunately) who have natal aspects that make them insecure and obsessive in most relationships. In my case, once I come on here fishing for help with a relationship, it means that my insecurities won out and I might not get my head above water with it again. When I was in a very long-term relationship, I wasn't that much in need of having other people tell me whether it might have long-term potential or not.

All of that said, I would tread very lightly with this relationship, and protect yourself. That doesn't mean not opening your heart. But his natal, with that Saturn-Venus conjunction...and his Pluto on your Sun in the synastry...eh.

You are feeling insecure because you still have shaky legs from getting thrown off the last horse. You're also feeling insecure because of this guy's red-flag behavior.

BUT, you can't get reassurance from a real-life guy that he will still be with you in eight years and the two of you will be happy. Let alone an astrology website.

I'm starting to be so skeptical about synastry readings. They really can be helpful and accurate, but they can also be like reducing a person to his or her DNA. Sometimes synastry might be appropriate, but when you're trying to work out issues of insecurity and mistrust in a brand new relationship, I think it is more helpful to:

a) talk to the other person and, especially, LISTEN to how he's feeling
b) enjoy your time together, be open to surprises, and live in the present moment
c) spend as much real time together as possible
d) if something is happening that you don't like, really look at it instead of trying to get outside reassurance or make it better.
e) there is no reason to EVER decide whether or not some guy is your soul mate--just enjoy the wonderful individuality of each person on the planet and, if you're having a great relationship, stay in the present moment with it, be in tune with your feelings, and approach it with love
f) if you're having a crappy or mixed relationship, the same goes

This one looks red flag-ish to me. You're already feeling really insecure, he and his Libra Moon and Uranus stellium are pulling away already. If you are in a desperate Soul Mate search, you'll bring that energy to any relationship.

You know, you could be in a "Perfect" relationship with someone you can really trust "Forever" and he could get hit by a bus. A different kind of abandonment.

Give it space and time and try to let go a little.

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Uuh, don't really know how to respond, but will try. Looking into astrology or tarot or anything to me means getting advice from higher more pure level.It doesn't mean that the decisions are based on that. It just gives more insights and helps to focus on things one would like to notice or not notice I'm not even sure if anyone can actually say that things will or won't last since one can't really say if a good aspect is something that feels "boring" or a bad aspect is something that forces us to grow and is necessary. I was hoping more info on like these things might be a problem and these things ad into the strong pull. But I guess a red flag will work too, eventhough doesn't teach me much. I'm actually quite pleased with the way I've managed to heal myself after that disaster and I did learn a lot so it's a bit undermining to say that I'm not over it. Of course I'm careful but I've done a lot of healing with myself. I feel that I'm getting a truck load of built up annoyance but thanks for taking the time.

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teasel
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posted October 21, 2010 03:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia, I'm bookmarking this to come back to, should I need it - or saving it elsewhere.

That's common sense that I usually have, but it's an easy trap to fall into (doing a tarot reading at the slightest change - that's only good for me when I'm practicing, and feeling non-obsessive, just wanting to see what shows up, but I need to focus more on things that aren't personal to me, for that practice).

*edit. although astrology has helped to me to understand people in my life.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia
Are you a strong Aqua?

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Taking the risk to annoy people and I post the synastry me being on the outside if anybody would like to give pointers.

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teasel
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posted October 21, 2010 04:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for teasel     Edit/Delete Message
You aren't going to annoy anyone. I was just wishing that I'd stuck to my own common sense (in the past), when I responded to Lucia, that's all.

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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2010 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I do think that sometimes turning to tools like astrology or tarot can be about trying to channel intuition and gain insights on a "higher or more pure" level. It really does depend on on the deepest, truest motivations of the querent--why he or she is looking for outside counsel.

You say the "red flag" thing doesn't teach you much--which, fair enough, and certainly you might not agree with my assessment--but, what sorts of things are you hoping to learn?

From your post it sounds like you are seeking outside validation from a relationship--the reassurance that that person is meant or destined to be with you in the future--and that because you are not getting that validation from actual contact with your partner, you are seeking it from synastry readings. To me it reads not like something "purer" or "higher"--but I guess I have this idea that a purer or higher way to go would be living in the present, and not getting desperate or needy for reassurance and validation. The way it reads to me, the question is about having lots of fears and insecurities and wanting them to be taken away.

I'm not asking just to be argumentative, but because I'M looking for learning and healing. What kind of answer to your synastry question would help you learn something purer and higher, and why? What kind of information, knowledge, and analysis teaches someone something purer and higher, and why?

In my case, asking those kinds of questions to strangers on an astrology website is just always about wishing desperately that I WON'T get dumped by email (metaphorically) by someone I'm fixated on....which to me is not about a "purer and higher" way of learning, healing, or living at all. For me, it has been like an unhealthy addiction. So I'm curious to hear how it manifests or can manifest in a pure or high way for others.

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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Anne, no, I have no Aqua. I'm a Leo Sun-Mercury in the 8th with a Cancer stellium in the 7th.

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 04:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Teasel, it's just that Piscean moon, venus Scorpio is kind of a sure match to seek the undercurrents all the time in every situation. I often don't know what the reality is since I can sense so much - that's why I think I like astrology since it gives distance. I'd also like to learn a bit more about synastry and what to look for etc. Astrology can't really tell how much of the homework people have done. It's the same in tarot readings - there are so many levels to interpret at the same time and cosmic humor is stellar

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2010 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Anne, maybe we were posting at the same time? I answered the question about Aqua a couple of posts up....

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Ami Anne
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posted October 21, 2010 04:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks Lucia
I see it.
What is your ASC?
Do you have strong Uranus?
Don't mean to beat a dead horse .
I try to feel the aspects.

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Lucia, it's probably the full moon thing going on but like in this conversation I do sense hostility/annoyance. You posted in a lot of sentences the purer/higher thing so I think that's something you need to stress about. Living in the moment and only in the moment is for sure the best way. However, I'm a faulty human being who sometimes manages to live in the moment but not nearly as much as needed. The things I look for are such as "this aspect in your chart could indicate that there is a challenge in your communication - this can be helped by focusing on this and this". I don't think there is anything higher or purer - it's just a tool, kind of an unemotional approach to situations that may involve a lot emotions. What it comes to complete strangers (and please don't make the mistake of thinking that I'm turning my power to anybody else, since that's not the case) it's sometimes good to get insights from people who don't have any prior knowledge to one's persona. I'm new to this forum, and am convinced that there are similar posts to mine here elsewhere. May I ask why this post particularly gets you so annoyed? Have I done something to affend you? I really thought this was the forum where people could discuss and analyse astrology.
And yes, I got dumped via email not metaforically but quite literally - can't really see so much humour in it, more cowardly behaviour.

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Lucia23
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posted October 21, 2010 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I feel like I've already addressed your questions--about why I'm responding this way personally to this post, etc--in my two posts above.

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Feenix
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posted October 21, 2010 04:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Feenix     Edit/Delete Message
Ok. I can't learn from "his sun on your pluto --- eh "(or was it the other way around )since I don't know what that means. I'd like to know why, what's the dynamic behind it, why is it so bad. But to be honest, I feel the energy going really down, so it's okay to just let it go. I just don't want to be patronized, that's not why I'm here for.

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